[Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
Joshua Katz
joshua.katz at lp.org
Wed Oct 25 14:52:27 EDT 2017
Thank you to both Steven, Paul Frankel, and Tom Knapp for inserting
much-needed facts into this discussion. In light of these facts, I think
vigilance is called for, but do not think it is appropriate, at this time,
to make a relevant motion.
I will note, without getting into the weeds, that while I won't quibble
with facts alleged about Florida, I would disagree with some of the
statements made about certain national groups, or in other ways about the
dangerous movement we face. I think they are more dangerous than they've
been described here, and while in the past I considered them individually
dangerous, I now consider them to be an organizational threat - and a
threat to the modern world which made freedom possible. (Murray Rothbard
pointed out, in 1965, that freedom was made possible by the overthrow of
the Ancien Regime, and I think the pre-modern thinking on the right, and
the post-modern thinking on the left, are both creating an environment
where it can return.) I consider them, at the moment, the most immediate
threat to freedom in our culture, since they have organized and gone beyond
being individual cranks - they now are making moves on the world of ideas,
which controls the rest. And remember that far too many people associate
us with them. The Charlottesville morons (if it brings them any comfort, I
think I speak on behalf of all Jews when I say that none of us desire to be
mouth-breathing bigots carrying tiki torches, so their fears about us
replacing them are misplaced) used a banner which was based on the Albany
Plan of Union banner - and one of the snake pieces was labeled L.
In any event, as concerns Florida, I think the analysis is pretty
straightforward, although the determinations are not. Is there a problem?
I am convinced there is, and I am convinced we should not ignore it and
blind ourselves to it. Another party tried that approach, as well as
"well, we'll bring them along for their votes on the things we agree
about," and now is largely unable to get candidates who actually favor its
basic ideas through primaries. The next question, the crucial question, is
- can the affiliate fix it? (A related, but somewhat different question,
is whether it wants to.) I think the answer to that is yes. There is, of
course, a tipping point - a point where rather than try to fix the problem,
good people simply leave, and the ability to fix the problem goes away.
And good people are, it seems clear to me, leaving. I still do not think
the tipping point has been reached, though.
Joshua A. Katz
At-Large Representative,
Libertarian National Committee
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Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
To: "Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>, Independent
Political Report <independent-political-report at googlegroups.com>, "
iprtwo at googlegroups.com" <iprtwo at googlegroups.com>, erin.adams at lp.org,
Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>, Joshua Katz <joshua.katz at lp.org>,
David Demarest <David.Demarest at lp.org>, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>,
Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com>, Steven Nekhaila <Steven.Nekhaila at gmail.com>,
Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>, Paul Stanton <paul at stanton.name>
I'm writing to LNC members who commented in this thread plus Whitney as my
rep, IPR teamCCed for background, and Paul Stanton CCed. If any of the LNC
members copied feel it's worth sharing with the rest of LNC please do so.
If not, my feelings won't be hurt either.
I'm not going to comment on what if anything LNC should do, just lay out
the facts as I know them,
Just before Paul Stanton resigned from LPF exec comm he submitted the
following to that body (see links embedded in original):
https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo
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Greetings,
Tonight's motion 520 is mainly regarding threats and advocacy of violence
against me and others, including a current US Senate candidate and former
rules chair of the Libertarian Party of Miami-Dade. Additionally, he is a
leader in a white supremacist group, the American Guard
<http://adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>,
a spin-off group of the violent anti-immigrant Sons of Odin - founded by Brien
James
<https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/brien-james>
(who
also founded the Vinlanders - a Neo-Nazi group responsible for dozens of
murders). The crossed cleavers in their shield is a reference to 19th century
anti-immigrant gang leader, Bill the Butcher
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Poole> - an advocacy of violence
against immigrants.
Ryan Ramsey himself covers white nationalist "Rock Against Communism
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism>" bands like S
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>crewdriver
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>, and advocates for Operation
Werewolf <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf>. He has called the LNC
Chair Nick Sarwark "Nazi Nick," citing Nick's Jewish religion, then blaming
people "disingenuous political leaders like Nick Sarwark" for the rise of
the Nazi Party and ultimately the Holocaust. <http://archive.is/EMZPY>
Here are some links which I will be referencing tonight at the meeting:
https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795
147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/
<https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/%3Cbr+/%3E>
https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-
white-supremacists
http://libertarianheathen.com
http://archive.is/t5jC7
Bottom line, I am sick of seeing threats of violence against good
Libertarians, and others disassociating in disgust over the intimidation
tactics, dehumanization, and white supremacist rhetoric being employed by
leaders within our party. If we allow one of our leaders to threaten our
membership while having the ability to stop it, voters and donors have no
reason to take our party seriously, as we clearly do not.
The delegates very clearly gave us the ability to remove people from the EC
for violation of the non-aggression pledge. Tonight we must decide if we
will take that task seriously or not.
In liberty,
Paul Stanton
Folowup message:
Info about the 1930s German Nazi history book that Ryan Ramsey took his
meme from:
http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm
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Frankel: I can also attest to the threats coming from Ramsey, his former
close associate Augustus Invictus and others in their circle.
Back in April of this year, on a tip from IPR site owner Warren Redlich, I
published http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/poli
ce-report-augustus-invictus-accused-of-domestic-violence-
sexual-assault-kidnapping/ detailing that Mr. Invictus' ex-fiancee made
these very serious allegations against him. I confirmed with the police
department in question that the referenced report had in fact been filed. I
made no comment in the article about the truth or falsehood of the
allegations. Any comments of opinions I made in the comment section on the
same basis as any of our other readers and clearly marked as opinion.
Notably, the complaintant and associate of hers also reported death threats
at the time from Invictus and Ramsey, who have since then (very recently)
had a falling out. Witness tampering was also one of the allegations.
I also *republished* http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/
libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-
collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-
call-to-action-against-them/
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/>
(note that the original and its website were taken down so the images no
longer appear; scroll down to see the section about Ryan Ramsey as the last
part of the article).
As a response, 1) Augustus Invictus wrote me and Warren Redlich,
insinuating possible legal action and hinting at other forms of
retaliation; he later wrote another former associate of his, Raquel Okyay,
which was later forwarded to me, naming me as one of the people he plans to
take some form of unspecified revenge on. 2) Ryan Ramsey published two
articles filled with outright lies and slanderous fictions about me,
Redlich, and others alleging some grand conspiracy . You can find them at
libertarianheathen.com with a search for Frankel. Ramsey and his associates
continually spread this crap on FB and probably elsewhere.
https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel
The slanderous lies from Ramsey were tit for tat retaliation – he said so
himself, and offered a reciprocal unpublishing – because I reported the
news that his then buddy Augustus Invictus, one of the Charlottesville
organizers, had been accused of a pattern of domestic violence, kidnapping
and rape by his ex-fiancee. I was simply reporting the news, not taking a
stance, except in the comments; and even there I was careful to separate
what I knew to be fact from my opinion and what others alleged.
Furthermore, I reposted accurate reporting about Ryan Ramsey and his
associates previously published elsewhere. His response was to
1) Publish lies about me, Warren Redlich and IPR, linked above
2) Offer to take them down if we took down our own reporting
3) Threaten to sic law enforcement on me for supposedly being a terrorist
and threatening his wife, none of which is even remotely true.
Specifically, he said he had contacted the Florida Department of Law
Enforcement electronic crimes division and was planning to meet with the
FBI and tell them that I am a terrorist (a preposterous lie) and that I
threatened his then pregnant wife (another absurd fiction).
4) His pal Invictus broached the possibility of suing us (but said he
wasn’t doing that, at least at that time)
5) Invictus later issued a non-specific threat against me and a few other
people saying we will “get what is coming to us.” Among many other people
he and his associates have threatened.
Ryan Ramsey’s article is in fact full of attacks, slander and lies. Looking
at just the headline alone: I am not editor in chief at IPR and in fact
there is no such position. I am not a terrorist, and that is a slanderous
claim. Moving beyond the headline I address numerous inaccurate statements,
slanders, libel and downright lies in Ramsey’s article in a series of
comments starting at http://independentpoliticalrep
ort.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-op
en-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189 and continuing over a
couple of dozen comments.
To take one egregious example, Ramsey continually asserts that I had
something to do with killing a dog. I did not, and while he is not the
first person to spread this lie it is nevertheless a lie and he is not
repeating it as a statement by someone else but rather as something he
knows to be true, unlike the statements about him by others that I have
published. There are many similar falsehoods throughout the article which I
addressed in IPR comments.
Others who have been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and friends include *Tom
Knapp *
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-p
erhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-appro
ach/#comment-1636145
*"To date, twice when the AI combination pity party / threat machine got
cranked up and I was involved in direct back and forth, I escalated from
Condition Yellow to Condition Orange. This involves, among other things,
making my family aware of a possible threat, ensuring that at least one
person in the household in addition to myself has a loaded firearm near to
hand at all times, and paying special attention to street traffic in my
neighborhood (which is very low traffic so anything unusual stands out, and
I have a nearby neighbor who knows to call if anything looks suspicious as
well). "*
Frankel again) The email I was forwarded from Invictus says in part *"Stanton,
Tesky, Wyllie, Marchetti, and Frankel are all directly responsible for
that, because the babysitter called the police based off the bullshit
criminal allegations being pushed by those five. It was the ‘news’ story
that caused the babysitter to call the police. Fourth and final: It never
crossed my mind that Joe (Wendt) had anything to do with that, but if I
find out that he was involved with Stanton or Tesky or Marchetti in pushing
those criminal allegations, I will hang him with my own fucking hands. That
entire situation is something so outrageous that I am not even discussing
it. Each and every person who was involved or had knowledge of it will get
what is coming to them."*
And in fact, all of the people named, myself included, are among many
others who have reported being threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and their
circle of associates. Ramsey is still neck deep in it even now that
Invictus has become a Republican.
Ramsey is allegedly gloating about Stanton's resignation in these facebook
groups, among others:
Kekistan
The Right Way: No Cucks, Only Kek
Republic of Kekistan
@The Deplorables and Basement Dwellers for Trump
Anti-SJW
Anti-SJW Pinochet's Beach Party
The ex-fiancee of Invictus, Ms. Rice, and her friend Ms. Brown along with
others they knew also reported being threatened and intimidated by
Invictus, Ramsey et al.
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-
us-senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-pri
nciples-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/
....
*Libertarian Party Candidate for U.S. Senate, Joe Wendt, condemns LPF
Chair, Marcos Miralles, for pursuing a policy that promotes white
nationalists within the Libertarian Party of Florida. “Mr. Miralles has
appointed known white nationalists to leadership positions.”*
*...*
*“I have been threatened with physical violence by white nationalist
supporters of Miralles,” said Wendt. “*
<http://goog_1698321734>
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-p
erhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/ see
embedded links in original"
*We are losing good members, and the trust of the public, due to the
elevation of leaders in extremist hate groups to our party leadership. We
need a new approach. Local libertarian-leaning politicians and voters
associate us with far-right extremists. As of yesterday, my county no
longer has a full slate of candidates for the Florida House. One of the
Libertarian candidates I drafted will now unfortunately be running NPA.
Yesterday, we also lost our incoming Rules Committee chair. Previously,
both our former gubernatorial nominee and our senatorial nominee (prior to
me) have resigned their LPF memberships, among countless other Libertarian
activists and volunteers. A member of my 2016 Senate campaign ended her
participation with the party, because her employer forbids associations
with members of extremist hate groups advocating for violence. A single
friend (who ceased her participation after receiving death threats) has
reported that no fewer than 30 of her acquaintances have withdrawn from
Libertarian Party activism due to risks to themselves and their
reputations.*
*During my US Senate campaign, I never expected the situation that
unfolded. I expected the personal attacks, but I never expected racist
fantasies about my mother, posting of personal information about members of
my family, or the violent threats and sexual harassment targeting my
supporters and members of my campaign. Last month, after I introduced a
motion (which was killed) to remove Florida’s member of the Libertarian
Party Platform Committee for his racist statements
<http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white#.22The_mantra.22>,
I was accused of wanting to kill all white people, in a “white genocide
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory>”
conspiracy theory. And now today, there have been threats that
the militant <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Odin> hate
<http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/who-are-the-american-guard-patriotic-nationalists-or-skinheads-in-disguise>
group
<https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/18/heathen-know-nothings-the-american-guard/>
the
<http://forward.com/fast-forward/368055/white-supremacists-and-skinheads-join-pro-trump-rally/>
American
Guard
<https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>may
be waiting for me in the parking lot, or harassing county party meetings.
We must have higher standards for our party leadership!*
*Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics among white nationalists, and
there are several other victims throughout Florida. This behavior cannot
be accepted. We cannot continue to elevate these people. Libertarianism
stands for maximum freedom for everyone, universally. We dishonor ourselves
and our party by enabling liars with wildly divergent philosophies, who
stand immediately adjacent to neo-Nazis
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_(United_States)>,
white
nationalists
<https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/vinlanders-social-club>,
fascists
<https://johnmhudak.com/2017/07/16/rise-of-the-anarcho-statists-part-iii-augustus-sol-invictus-the-unconquerable-sun-god/>,organized
criminal syndicates
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaws_Motorcycle_Club>, and domestic
terrorists <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Front>.*
>From the comments:
1. Starchild <http://www.openborders.info/>*July 22, 2017 at 09:26*
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634719>
*Joe, do you know which individuals were shouting “white power” at the
state convention? Is there video evidence of this? I would hope those
individuals are identified and ostracized, and that other Libertarians will
make clear to them that there is no room for such racism in the LP. That is
not what we are about. If individuals who seek to act in such a manner
leave the party, that is not a loss for us but a gain.*
2.
3. Joe Wendt*July 22, 2017 at 12:10*
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634766>
*Starchild,*
*The individuals in question are supports of the current LPF Chair.
Although Augustus Invictus, the most prominent of the White Nationalists,
has left the party, unfortunately other less prominent White Nationalists
are not [only -p] remaining active in the LPF, the Chair is actually giving
them positions of authority.*
*Screenshot of Ramsey threatening to knock Wendt’s teeth out and saying he
may have an “accident”*
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/received_
10159060778305274.png
paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 12:04
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635134>
Again, it’s not about Joe.* Yes Ramsey threatened Joe, but he also
threatened many other people, as has Invictus and their other buddies.
There are numerous sources for that, including me. *Yes, Ramsey has spread
bullshit about me. I think he is still doing it although I haven’t checked
lately. Did he know it to be false or did he just repeat what other people
said? Well, he couldn’t have known it to be true since it was not true and
he did not say “so and so says” he just repeated things as if they were
facts and added new ones such as the bullshit about me being a terrorist
and member of a terrorist groups and the bullshit about me making threats
against his wife. And again, *these are just examples just as the
other examples in Stanton’s article are only examples.*
*The real issue is that there is an ongoing pattern as reported by many
different people of Invictus, Ramsey and their circle of friends issuing
threats, spreading lies .. to and about many different people .. and
maintaining ongoing close associations with multiple white supremacist
groups and violent groups and individuals.*
....
*Ramsey says “You were awful meek last night punk. Ill see you soon though
and well see how mouthy you are”* which is clearly physical intimidation.
Joe is talking shit on the internet but Ramsey says he will not do it in
person. Why not? Clearly due to threat of physical violence. Ramsey follows
this up with *“Id be more concerned with the teeth in your mouth at this
point joe. Your dental plan good?” *which in the context of his earlier
statement is not exactly a very veiled threat. If he was genuinely
concerned about Joe slipping and falling due to being drunk, which is
laughable in the context of the conversation, he would not have made the
threat so specific.
And the larger context of course is that there have been many other
threats, to many other people, myself as well as this publication (IPR)
included.
Joe WendtJuly 23, 2017 at 13:55
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635174>
*To Andy,*
*I have contacted the police. Since it has not progressed beyond Facebook,
they told me to block him and contact them again if he continues the
harassing and threatening behavior. They will be called if he threatens me
again.*
paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 14:19
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635179>
Also, if all of these if all of these violent threats have been made, why
hasn’t anyone gone to jail? Has anyone even gotten a restraining order?
Don’t be naive. Threats are not always made in a verifiable, provable form.
I’ve received plenty of threats over the years, including death threats,
and I have never felt the urge to go to the cops about it. What the fuck
are they going to do? While they conduct their half assed investigation I
may get killed or injured or whatever else. Or someone else around me.
And one of the people that has been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and
friends made a good point. This person said that Ramsey has known contacts
in law enforcement and that there are known ties between many members of
law enforcement and white supremacist groups such as the ones Ramsey and
Invictus have a lot of ties to. So reporting anything to law enforcement
may actually be cutting your own throat if you get threatened by these
assholes.
FL: Augustus Invictus campaigns in front of white nationalist skinhead
music banner
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-
augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-
skinhead-music-banner/
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
Note: Ramsey also frequently associates with that same banner to this day.
"Rock Against Communism" may sound like something that libertarians would
agree with, but in reality it's a well-known neo-nazi front organization
that no "former" white supremacist (as Ramsey claims to be) would have any
association with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism
*The Rock Against Communism movement originated in the United Kingdom
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> in late 1978 with far right
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right> activists associated with
the National Front
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Front> (NF).[4]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>
It
was intended to counter the Rock Against Racism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism> organisation.[4]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>
The
first RAC concert was in Leeds
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds>, England
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England> in 1978, featuring the Nazi punk
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk> bands The Dentists and The
Ventz.[5]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-5> RAC held
one concert in 1979 and another in spring 1983, which was headlined
by Skrewdriver <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>, a white power
rock <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock> band led by Ian
Stuart Donaldson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stuart_Donaldson>.
After that, RAC concerts were held more often. They were often headlined by
Skrewdriver and featured other white power bands, such as Skullhead
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skullhead> and No Remorse
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_(band)>. In the mid-1980s, summer
concerts were often held at the Suffolk
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk> home of Edgar Griffin
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Griffin>, a Conservative Party
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)> activist[6]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-6> and
father of Nick Griffin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin>, an NF
organiser who later became the national chair of the British National Party
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party>. By the late 1980s,
the RAC name had given way to the White Noise Club (another NF-based
group), and later Blood and Honour
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Honour>, which was set up
by Donaldson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson> when they fell out
with the NF leadership.[4]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>
As hardcore
punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk> music became more
popular in the 1990s and 2000s, many white power bands took on a more
hardcore-influenced sound.*
Note that Ryan Ramsey continues to proudly wave the "Rock against
communism" banner.
Chuck Moulton: ‘LP conventions, avoid alt-right / white supremacist event
speakers’
<http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/>
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-
moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/
More background:
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-
brown-response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-
rape-assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-ag
ainst-augustus-invictus/
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-augu
stus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-censure
-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-colborne-augustus-sol-
invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-
going-to-shut-it-down/
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-
lp-of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-
lp-florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/ :
*Marcos Miralles began his race for Chair of the LPF with the support
of Augustus Sol Invictus
<https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/augustus-sol-invictus-austin-gillespie>and
Ryan Ramsey, both leaders in white supremacist groups, including the
American Guard
<https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>.
(The American Guard was one of the groups present in Charlottesville last
weekend.
<http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/indiana-american-guard-among-protestors-at-charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally>)
Invictus was also a featured speaker at the Charlottesville white
supremacist rally.
<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-augustus-invictus-charlottesville-20170814-story.html>
The
support has not been one-sided. Last year, Marcos Miralles provided a town
hall for Invictus
<http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article97524342.html>
(as
part of a campaign to stir up drama during the primary), the pictures from
which are still used by the Miami Herald to associate our party with
Invictus <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article167083427.html>.
Additionally, he proudly displayed Ryan Ramsey’s endorsement on his website
and appointed Ryan Ramsey <https://docs.lpf.org/meeting/july-16th-2017/> to
our Legislative Review Committee. There is no place for white supremacy in
the Libertarian Party of Florida.*
*Thankfully, there was a recent press release
<https://lpf.org/2017/08/libertarian-party-florida-first-strongest-voice-hate-filled-groups/>
condemning
the events in Charlottesville. Unfortunately, Marcos Miralles has refused
to condemn the white supremacists within our party, or recant his previous
support. Instead, he insists that he will “work with everybody” and has
dismissed worries about white supremacists using our party to support their
platform as “non sense,” despite the support of the previously-mentioned
Libertarians, and despite the Libertarian Party of Florida’s representative
to the Libertarian Party platform committee, Frank Caprio. Caprio
regularly makes very racist comments, including quotes white
supremacist Bob Whitaker
<https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died>.
I physically cringed when I read Marcos write: “The Libertarian Party of
Florida will forever remain the safest home for all of those that fight for
civil rights.” As one of the Libertarian victims of violent threats and
harassment (a Muslim mother of biracial children) stated, “The Libertarian
Party was not a safe haven for me and many others like me. It should be,
by principle. […] But that’s not the present day reality.” Sadly, she
ended her participation with the party after concerns with the safety of
her family. When she reached out to Miralles, she was ignored and blocked
on social media.*
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-c
over-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/ http://in
dependentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-
2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
There were people yelling white power. Larry Sharpe went on an alt-right
vlog by Ryan Ramsey called the Mad American Network. That group was with
Invictus in Harrisburg, PA and at least one member, Dave Martel, was seen
sieg heiling there. Invictus chased someone out of a courtesy suite with
threats of violence. Invictus was then pushing Paul Stanton trying to pick
a fight. There was loud applause of his speech where he hijacked our
convention for five minutes, then just bragged about it…
…our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a privileged motion,
so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration platform plank without
letting it be read.
Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee to a
“constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code for
anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando area,
same as Invictus -p).
Oh, and by the way – no pretend antifa protesters showed up, of course.
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-
why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-
white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-socialists-and-
antifa/
http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-phys
ically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-inhospitable-to-
the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/
I'm sure that's more than enough for now, but there's plenty more. Feel
free to email or call 205-534-1622 <(205)%20534-1622> to discuss, and
forward wherever or whenever you wish.
Paul Frankel
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:39 AM, <lnc-votes at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I also agree with Ed.
>
>
>
> Caryn Ann, just to make it perfectly clear, I will support an
> investigative motion only if requested by someone in the Florida affiliate.
>
>
>
> In the meantime, I will continue to disregard political correctness, speak
> out against mindless bigotry at every opportunity and encourage economic
> and social ostracism to cope with both supremacist violence and the moral
> wrong of non-violent ‘bake the cake’ intolerance. State-sponsored
> retaliatory violence is not the answer to intolerance and just leaves the
> door open for state-initiated repression that we Libertarians are supposed
> to be fighting against.
>
>
>
> There is no place for bigotry in the LP and the Libertarianism movement,
> regardless of whether or not specific intolerant acts violate the
> Non-Aggression Principle.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> ~David Pratt
>
>
>
> *May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom Un-Convention*
>
>
>
> *Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less*
>
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>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:17 AM
> *To:* ednmax at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org; lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>
>
>
> Thank you Ed. I really appreciate your thoughts.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:07 AM, Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I talk with the leadership (officers) of the LPF on a regular basis.
>
> Not one regular member or member of the Exc. Com has asked me to
>
> have the LNC involved in this matter.
>
> At this time unless something changes let the Florida Libertarian Party
>
> take care of its own internal business.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> Region 2 Rep (Florida,Georgia,Tennessee)
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
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> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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