[Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I agree with Ken.  And the RR from that area gave their input.  I can tell
you no Region 1 state would welcome this interference.

So pre-empttively since we seem so eager to get involved in affiliates -
this RR says don't mess with Region 1 states.  They handle their own
business.

I'm hoping Oregon gets on mended terms with National.  This isn't the way
to show states we learned our lesson from that mess.  Their Board voted and
unless we think the whole of that leadership are secret nazis then we have
no right or authority to be second-guessing their decision for their state.

I routinely get complaints about such and such going on here and there.  I
listen, tell them their rights, and say it is for their state to handle.
Wes brilliant release said what we needed to.  I wish we would say the same
to the violent left.  Violence against persons and property is
unacceptable.  Bigotry and identity collectivism of all kinds is
unacceptable.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Ken Moellman <ken at moellman.com> wrote:

> A disaffiliation motion is way too extreme.
>
> I think the statement made by either Wes or Nick - I forget who made it -
> about racism and whatnot being not welcome in the party was enough from LP
> National.  Disaffiliation would take a serious infraction, IMO.  That a
> party has internal issues is nothing new and nothing to get involved with.
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:19 PM, David Demarest <
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
>> I agree that a disaffiliation investigation motion would open a can of
>> worms. Perhaps the existing motion calling for a resolution is the wiser
>> choice. However, it is a catch-22. How can we justify the resolution if we
>> do not do the necessary due diligence investigation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt
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>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Joshua Katz
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:52 PM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you to both Steven, Paul Frankel, and Tom Knapp for inserting
>> much-needed facts into this discussion.  In light of these facts, I think
>> vigilance is called for, but do not think it is appropriate, at this time,
>> to make a relevant motion.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will note, without getting into the weeds, that while I won't quibble
>> with facts alleged about Florida, I would disagree with some of the
>> statements made about certain national groups, or in other ways about the
>> dangerous movement we face.  I think they are more dangerous than they've
>> been described here, and while in the past I considered them individually
>> dangerous, I now consider them to be an organizational threat - and a
>> threat to the modern world which made freedom possible.  (Murray Rothbard
>> pointed out, in 1965, that freedom was made possible by the overthrow of
>> the Ancien Regime, and I think the pre-modern thinking on the right, and
>> the post-modern thinking on the left, are both creating an environment
>> where it can return.)  I consider them, at the moment, the most immediate
>> threat to freedom in our culture, since they have organized and gone beyond
>> being individual cranks - they now are making moves on the world of ideas,
>> which controls the rest.  And remember that far too many people associate
>> us with them.  The Charlottesville morons (if it brings them any comfort, I
>> think I speak on behalf of all Jews when I say that none of us desire to be
>> mouth-breathing bigots carrying tiki torches, so their fears about us
>> replacing them are misplaced) used a banner which was based on the Albany
>> Plan of Union banner - and one of the snake pieces was labeled L.
>>
>>
>>
>> In any event, as concerns Florida, I think the analysis is pretty
>> straightforward, although the determinations are not.  Is there a problem?
>> I am convinced there is, and I am convinced we should not ignore it and
>> blind ourselves to it.  Another party tried that approach, as well as
>> "well, we'll bring them along for their votes on the things we agree
>> about," and now is largely unable to get candidates who actually favor its
>> basic ideas through primaries.  The next question, the crucial question, is
>> - can the affiliate fix it?  (A related, but somewhat different question,
>> is whether it wants to.)  I think the answer to that is yes.  There is, of
>> course, a tipping point - a point where rather than try to fix the problem,
>> good people simply leave, and the ability to fix the problem goes away.
>> And good people are, it seems clear to me, leaving.  I still do not think
>> the tipping point has been reached, though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>>
>> At-Large Representative,
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: <travellingcircus at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>> To: "Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>, Independent
>> Political Report <independent-political-report at googlegroups.com>, "
>> iprtwo at googlegroups.com" <iprtwo at googlegroups.com>, erin.adams at lp.org,
>> Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>, Joshua Katz <joshua.katz at lp.org>,
>> David Demarest <David.Demarest at lp.org>, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>,
>> Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com>, Steven Nekhaila <Steven.Nekhaila at gmail.com>,
>> Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>, Paul Stanton <paul at stanton.name>
>>
>> I'm writing to LNC members who commented in this thread plus Whitney as
>> my rep, IPR teamCCed for background, and Paul Stanton CCed. If any of the
>> LNC members copied feel it's worth sharing with the rest of LNC please do
>> so. If not, my feelings won't be hurt either.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not going to comment on what if anything LNC should do, just lay out
>> the facts as I know them,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just before Paul Stanton resigned from LPF exec comm he submitted the
>> following to that body (see links embedded in original):
>>
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>>
>>
>> Tonight's motion 520 is mainly regarding threats and advocacy of violence
>> against me and others, including a current US Senate candidate and former
>> rules chair of the Libertarian Party of Miami-Dade.  Additionally, he is a
>> leader in a white supremacist group, the American Guard
>> <http://adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>,
>> a spin-off group of the violent anti-immigrant Sons of Odin - founded by Brien
>> James
>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/brien-james> (who
>> also founded the Vinlanders - a Neo-Nazi group responsible for dozens of
>> murders).  The crossed cleavers in their shield is a reference to 19th century
>> anti-immigrant gang leader, Bill the Butcher
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Poole> - an advocacy of violence
>> against immigrants.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan Ramsey himself covers white nationalist "Rock Against Communism
>> <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism>" bands like S
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>crewdriver
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>, and advocates for Operation
>> Werewolf <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf>.  He has called the LNC
>> Chair Nick Sarwark "Nazi Nick," citing Nick's Jewish religion, then blaming
>> people "disingenuous political leaders like Nick Sarwark" for the rise of
>> the Nazi Party and ultimately the Holocaust. <http://archive.is/EMZPY>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are some links which I will be referencing tonight at the meeting:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795
>> 147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/%3Cbr+/%3E>
>> https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-
>> white-supremacists
>> http://libertarianheathen.com
>> http://archive.is/t5jC7
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom line, I am sick of seeing threats of violence against good
>> Libertarians, and others disassociating in disgust over the intimidation
>> tactics, dehumanization, and white supremacist rhetoric being employed by
>> leaders within our party.  If we allow one of our leaders to threaten our
>> membership while having the ability to stop it, voters and donors have no
>> reason to take our party seriously, as we clearly do not.
>>
>>
>>
>> The delegates very clearly gave us the ability to remove people from the
>> EC for violation of the non-aggression pledge.  Tonight we must decide if
>> we will take that task seriously or not.
>>
>>
>>
>> In liberty,
>> *Paul Stanton*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Folowup message: *
>>
>>
>> [          ]
>>
>> Info about the 1930s German Nazi history book that Ryan Ramsey took his
>> meme from:
>>
>> http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Frankel: I can also attest to the threats coming from Ramsey, his former
>> close associate Augustus Invictus and others in their circle.
>>
>>
>>
>> Back in April of this year, on a tip from IPR site owner Warren Redlich,
>> I published http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/
>> police-report-augustus-invictus-accused-of-domestic-
>> violence-sexual-assault-kidnapping/  detailing that Mr. Invictus'
>> ex-fiancee made these very serious allegations against him. I confirmed
>> with the police department in question that the referenced report had in
>> fact been filed. I made no comment in the article about the truth or
>> falsehood of the allegations. Any comments of opinions I made in the
>> comment section on the same basis as any of our other readers and clearly
>> marked as opinion. Notably, the complaintant and associate of hers also
>> reported death threats at the time from Invictus and Ramsey, who have since
>> then (very recently) had a falling out. Witness tampering was also one of
>> the allegations.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also *republished* http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/
>> libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-
>> collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-
>> call-to-action-against-them/
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/>
>> (note that the original and its website were taken down so the images no
>> longer appear; scroll down to see the section about Ryan Ramsey as the last
>> part of the article).
>>
>>
>>
>> As a response, 1) Augustus Invictus wrote me and Warren Redlich,
>> insinuating possible legal action and hinting at other forms of
>> retaliation; he later wrote another former associate of his, Raquel Okyay,
>> which was later forwarded to me, naming me as one of the people he plans to
>> take some form of unspecified revenge on.   2) Ryan Ramsey published two
>> articles filled with outright lies and slanderous fictions about me,
>> Redlich, and others alleging some grand conspiracy . You can find them at
>> libertarianheathen.com with a search for Frankel. Ramsey and his
>> associates continually spread this crap on FB and probably elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel
>>
>>
>> The slanderous lies from Ramsey were tit for tat retaliation – he said so
>> himself, and offered a reciprocal unpublishing – because I reported the
>> news that his then buddy Augustus Invictus, one of the Charlottesville
>> organizers, had been accused of a pattern of domestic violence, kidnapping
>> and rape by his ex-fiancee. I was simply reporting the news, not taking a
>> stance, except in the comments; and even there I was careful to separate
>> what I knew to be fact from my opinion and what others alleged.
>> Furthermore, I reposted accurate reporting about Ryan Ramsey and his
>> associates previously published elsewhere. His response was to
>>
>> 1) Publish lies about me, Warren Redlich and IPR, linked above
>>
>> 2) Offer to take them down if we took down our own reporting
>>
>> 3) Threaten to sic law enforcement on me for supposedly being a terrorist
>> and threatening his wife, none of which is even remotely true.
>> Specifically, he said he had contacted the Florida Department of Law
>> Enforcement electronic crimes division and was planning to meet with the
>> FBI and tell them that I am a terrorist (a preposterous lie) and that I
>> threatened his then pregnant wife (another absurd fiction).
>>
>> 4) His pal Invictus broached the possibility of suing us (but said he
>> wasn’t doing that, at least at that time)
>>
>> 5) Invictus later issued a non-specific threat against me and a few other
>> people saying we will “get what is coming to us.” Among many other people
>> he and his associates have threatened.
>>
>> Ryan Ramsey’s article is in fact full of attacks, slander and lies.
>> Looking at just the headline alone: I am not editor in chief at IPR and in
>> fact there is no such position. I am not a terrorist, and that is a
>> slanderous claim. Moving beyond the headline I address numerous inaccurate
>> statements, slanders, libel and downright lies in Ramsey’s article in a
>> series of comments starting at http://independentpoliticalrep
>> ort.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-op
>> en-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189 and continuing over
>> a couple of dozen comments.
>>
>> To take one egregious example, Ramsey continually asserts that I had
>> something to do with killing a dog. I did not, and while he is not the
>> first person to spread this lie it is nevertheless a lie and he is not
>> repeating it as a statement by someone else but rather as something he
>> knows to be true, unlike the statements about him by others that I have
>> published. There are many similar falsehoods throughout the article which I
>> addressed in IPR comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Others who have been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and friends include *Tom
>> Knapp *
>>
>>
>>
>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-p
>> erhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-appro
>> ach/#comment-1636145
>>
>>
>>
>> *"**To date, twice when the AI combination pity party / threat machine
>> got cranked up and I was involved in direct back and forth, I escalated
>> from Condition Yellow to Condition Orange. This involves, among other
>> things, making my family aware of a possible threat, ensuring that at least
>> one person in the household in addition to myself has a loaded firearm near
>> to hand at all times, and paying special attention to street traffic in my
>> neighborhood (which is very low traffic so anything unusual stands out, and
>> I have a nearby neighbor who knows to call if anything looks suspicious as
>> well). "*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Frankel again) The email I was forwarded from Invictus says in part *"**Stanton,
>> Tesky, Wyllie, Marchetti, and Frankel **are all directly responsible for
>> that, because the babysitter called the police based off the bullshit
>> criminal allegations being pushed by those five. It was the ‘news’ story
>> that caused the babysitter to call the police. Fourth and final: It never
>> crossed my mind that Joe (Wendt) had anything to do with that, but if I
>> find out that he was involved with Stanton or Tesky or Marchetti in pushing
>> those criminal allegations, I will hang him with my own fucking hands. That
>> entire situation is something so outrageous that I am not even discussing
>> it. Each and every person who was involved or had knowledge of it will get
>> what is coming to them.**"*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And in fact, all of the people named, myself included, are among many
>> others who have reported being threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and their
>> circle of associates. Ramsey is still neck deep in it even now that
>> Invictus has become a Republican.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ramsey is allegedly gloating about Stanton's resignation in these
>> facebook groups, among others:
>>
>>
>>
>> Kekistan
>>
>> The Right Way: No Cucks, Only Kek
>>
>> Republic of Kekistan
>>
>> @The Deplorables and Basement Dwellers for Trump
>>
>> Anti-SJW
>>
>> Anti-SJW Pinochet's Beach Party
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The ex-fiancee of Invictus, Ms. Rice, and her friend Ms. Brown along with
>> others they knew also reported being threatened and intimidated by
>> Invictus, Ramsey et al.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-
>> us-senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-pri
>> nciples-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ....
>>
>> *Libertarian Party Candidate for U.S. Senate, Joe Wendt, condemns LPF
>> Chair, Marcos Miralles, for pursuing a policy that promotes white
>> nationalists within the Libertarian Party of Florida. “Mr. Miralles has
>> appointed known white nationalists to leadership positions.”*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *...*
>>
>>
>>
>> *“I have been threatened with physical violence by white nationalist
>> supporters of Miralles,” said Wendt. “*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://goog_1698321734>
>>
>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-p
>> erhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/  see
>> embedded links in original"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *We are losing good members, and the trust of the public, due to the
>> elevation of leaders in extremist hate groups to our party leadership.  We
>> need a new approach.  Local libertarian-leaning politicians and voters
>> associate us with far-right extremists.  As of yesterday, my county no
>> longer has a full slate of candidates for the Florida House.   One of the
>> Libertarian candidates I drafted will now unfortunately be running NPA.
>> Yesterday, we also lost our incoming Rules Committee chair.  Previously,
>> both our former gubernatorial nominee and our senatorial nominee (prior to
>> me) have resigned their LPF memberships, among countless other Libertarian
>> activists and volunteers.  A member of my 2016 Senate campaign ended her
>> participation with the party, because her employer forbids associations
>> with members of extremist hate groups advocating for violence. A single
>> friend (who ceased her participation after receiving death threats) has
>> reported that no fewer than 30 of her acquaintances have withdrawn from
>> Libertarian Party activism due to risks to themselves and their
>> reputations.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *During my US Senate campaign, I never expected the situation that
>> unfolded.  I expected the personal attacks, but I never expected racist
>> fantasies about my mother, posting of personal information about members of
>> my family, or the violent threats and sexual harassment targeting my
>> supporters and members of my campaign.  Last month, after I introduced a
>> motion (which was killed) to remove Florida’s member of the Libertarian
>> Party Platform Committee for his racist statements
>> <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white#.22The_mantra.22>,
>> I was accused of wanting to kill all white people, in a “white genocide
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory>”
>> conspiracy theory.  And now today, there have been threats that
>> the militant <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Odin> hate
>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/who-are-the-american-guard-patriotic-nationalists-or-skinheads-in-disguise> group
>> <https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/18/heathen-know-nothings-the-american-guard/> the
>> <http://forward.com/fast-forward/368055/white-supremacists-and-skinheads-join-pro-trump-rally/> American
>> Guard
>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>may
>> be waiting for me in the parking lot, or harassing county party meetings.
>> We must have higher standards for our party leadership!*
>>
>> *Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics among white nationalists,
>> and there are several other victims throughout Florida.  This behavior
>> cannot be accepted.  We cannot continue to elevate these people.
>> Libertarianism stands for maximum freedom for everyone, universally. We
>> dishonor ourselves and our party by enabling liars with wildly divergent
>> philosophies, who stand immediately adjacent to neo-Nazis
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_(United_States)>, white
>> nationalists
>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/vinlanders-social-club>, fascists
>> <https://johnmhudak.com/2017/07/16/rise-of-the-anarcho-statists-part-iii-augustus-sol-invictus-the-unconquerable-sun-god/>,organized
>> criminal syndicates
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaws_Motorcycle_Club>, and domestic
>> terrorists <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Front>.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From the comments:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.     *Starchild <http://www.openborders.info/>**July 22, 2017 at 09:26*
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634719>
>>
>> *Joe, do you know which individuals were shouting “white power” at the
>> state convention? Is there video evidence of this? I would hope those
>> individuals are identified and ostracized, and that other Libertarians will
>> make clear to them that there is no room for such racism in the LP. That is
>> not what we are about. If individuals who seek to act in such a manner
>> leave the party, that is not a loss for us but a gain.*
>>
>> 2.
>>
>> 3.     *Joe Wendt**July 22, 2017 at 12:10*
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634766>
>>
>> *Starchild,*
>>
>> *The individuals in question are supports of the current LPF Chair.
>> Although Augustus Invictus, the most prominent of the White Nationalists,
>> has left the party, unfortunately other less prominent White Nationalists
>> are not [only -p] remaining active in the LPF, the Chair is actually giving
>> them positions of authority.*
>>
>> *Screenshot of Ramsey threatening to knock Wendt’s teeth out and saying
>> he may have an “accident”*
>>
>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/
>> 2017/07/received_10159060778305274.png
>>
>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 12:04
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635134>
>>
>> Again, it’s not about Joe.* Yes Ramsey threatened Joe, but he also
>> threatened many other people, as has Invictus and their other buddies.
>> There are numerous sources for that, including me. *Yes, Ramsey has
>> spread bullshit about me. I think he is still doing it although I haven’t
>> checked lately. Did he know it to be false or did he just repeat what other
>> people said? Well, he couldn’t have known it to be true since it was not
>> true and he did not say “so and so says” he just repeated things as if they
>> were facts and added new ones such as the bullshit about me being a
>> terrorist and member of a terrorist groups and the bullshit about me making
>> threats against his wife. And again, *these are just examples just as
>> the other examples in Stanton’s article are only examples.*
>>
>> *The real issue is that there is an ongoing pattern as reported by many
>> different people of Invictus, Ramsey and their circle of friends issuing
>> threats, spreading lies .. to and about many different people .. and
>> maintaining ongoing close associations with multiple white supremacist
>> groups and violent groups and individuals.*
>>
>> ....
>>
>> *Ramsey says “You were awful meek last night punk. Ill see you soon
>> though and well see how mouthy you are”* which is clearly physical
>> intimidation. Joe is talking shit on the internet but Ramsey says he will
>> not do it in person. Why not? Clearly due to threat of physical violence.
>> Ramsey follows this up with *“Id be more concerned with the teeth in
>> your mouth at this point joe. Your dental plan good?” *which in the
>> context of his earlier statement is not exactly a very veiled threat. If he
>> was genuinely concerned about Joe slipping and falling due to being drunk,
>> which is laughable in the context of the conversation, he would not have
>> made the threat so specific.
>>
>> And the larger context of course is that there have been many other
>> threats, to many other people, myself as well as this publication (IPR)
>> included.
>>
>> Joe WendtJuly 23, 2017 at 13:55
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635174>
>>
>> *To Andy,*
>>
>> *I have contacted the police. Since it has not progressed beyond
>> Facebook, they told me to block him and contact them again if he continues
>> the harassing and threatening behavior. They will be called if he threatens
>> me again.*
>>
>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 14:19
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635179>
>>
>> *Also, if all of these if all of these violent threats have been made,
>> why hasn’t anyone gone to jail? Has anyone even gotten a restraining order?*
>>
>> Don’t be naive. Threats are not always made in a verifiable, provable
>> form. I’ve received plenty of threats over the years, including death
>> threats, and I have never felt the urge to go to the cops about it. What
>> the fuck are they going to do? While they conduct their half assed
>> investigation I may get killed or injured or whatever else. Or someone else
>> around me.
>>
>> And one of the people that has been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and
>> friends made a good point. This person said that Ramsey has known contacts
>> in law enforcement and that there are known ties between many members of
>> law enforcement and white supremacist groups such as the ones Ramsey and
>> Invictus have a lot of ties to. So reporting anything to law enforcement
>> may actually be cutting your own throat if you get threatened by these
>> assholes.
>>
>> FL: Augustus Invictus campaigns in front of white nationalist skinhead
>> music banner
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>>   http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-
>> augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-
>> skinhead-music-banner/
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>> Note: Ramsey also frequently associates with that same banner to this day.
>> "Rock Against Communism" may sound like something that libertarians would
>> agree with, but in reality it's a well-known neo-nazi front organization
>> that no "former" white supremacist (as Ramsey claims to be) would have any
>> association with.
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>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism
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>> *The Rock Against Communism movement originated in the **United Kingdom
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>** in late 1978 with **far
>> right <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right>** activists associated
>> with the **National Front
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Front>** (NF).**[4]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** It
>> was intended to counter the **Rock Against Racism
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism>** organisation.**[4]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** The
>> first RAC concert was in **Leeds <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds>*
>> *, **England <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>** in 1978,
>> featuring the **Nazi punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk>** bands
>> The Dentists and The Ventz.**[5]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-5>** RAC
>> held one concert in 1979 and another in spring 1983, which was headlined
>> by **Skrewdriver <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>**, a **white
>> power rock <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock>** band led
>> by **Ian Stuart Donaldson
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stuart_Donaldson>**. After that, RAC
>> concerts were held more often. They were often headlined by Skrewdriver and
>> featured other white power bands, such as **Skullhead
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skullhead>** and **No Remorse
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_(band)>**. In the mid-1980s,
>> summer concerts were often held at the **Suffolk
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk>** home of **Edgar Griffin
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Griffin>**, a **Conservative Party
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)>** activist**[6]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-6>** and
>> father of **Nick Griffin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin>**,
>> an NF organiser who later became the national chair of the **British
>> National Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party>**.
>> By the late 1980s, the RAC name had given way to the White Noise Club
>> (another NF-based group), and later **Blood and Honour
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Honour>**, which was set up by **Donaldson
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson>** when they fell out with the
>> NF leadership.**[4]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>*
>> * As **hardcore punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk>** music
>> became more popular in the 1990s and 2000s, many white power bands took on
>> a more hardcore-influenced sound.*
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>> Note that Ryan Ramsey continues to proudly wave the "Rock against
>> communism" banner.
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>> Chuck Moulton: ‘LP conventions, avoid alt-right / white supremacist event
>> speakers’
>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/>
>>  http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-
>> moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/
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>> More background:
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-
>> brown-response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-
>> rape-assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-ag
>> ainst-augustus-invictus/
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-augu
>> stus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-censure
>> -from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-
>> colborne-augustus-sol-invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-
>> going-to-shut-it-down/
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-
>> lp-of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-
>> lp-florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/ :
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>> *Marcos Miralles began his race for Chair of the LPF with the support
>> of Augustus Sol Invictus
>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/augustus-sol-invictus-austin-gillespie>**and
>> Ryan Ramsey, both leaders in white supremacist groups, including the
>> American Guard
>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>**.
>>  (The American Guard was one of the groups present in Charlottesville last
>> weekend.
>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/indiana-american-guard-among-protestors-at-charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally>**)
>>  Invictus was also a featured speaker at the Charlottesville white
>> supremacist rally.
>> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-augustus-invictus-charlottesville-20170814-story.html>**  The
>> support has not been one-sided.  Last year, Marcos Miralles provided a town
>> hall for Invictus
>> <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article97524342.html>** (as
>> part of a campaign to stir up drama during the primary), the pictures from
>> which are still used by the Miami Herald to associate our party with
>> Invictus <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article167083427.html>**.
>> Additionally, he proudly displayed Ryan Ramsey’s endorsement on his website
>> and appointed Ryan Ramsey <https://docs.lpf.org/meeting/july-16th-2017/>** to
>> our Legislative Review Committee.  There is no place for white supremacy in
>> the Libertarian Party of Florida.*
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>> *Thankfully, there was a recent press release
>> <https://lpf.org/2017/08/libertarian-party-florida-first-strongest-voice-hate-filled-groups/> condemning
>> the events in Charlottesville.  Unfortunately, Marcos Miralles has refused
>> to condemn the white supremacists within our party, or recant his previous
>> support.  Instead, he insists that he will “work with everybody” and has
>> dismissed worries about white supremacists using our party to support their
>> platform as “non sense,” despite the support of the previously-mentioned
>> Libertarians, and despite the Libertarian Party of Florida’s representative
>> to the Libertarian Party platform committee, Frank Caprio.  Caprio
>> regularly makes very racist comments, including quotes white
>> supremacist Bob Whitaker
>> <https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died>.
>> I physically cringed when I read Marcos write: “The Libertarian Party of
>> Florida will forever remain the safest home for all of those that fight for
>> civil rights.”  As one of the Libertarian victims of violent threats and
>> harassment (a Muslim mother of biracial children) stated, “The Libertarian
>> Party was not a safe haven for me and many others like me.  It should be,
>> by principle. […] But that’s not the present day reality.”  Sadly, she
>> ended her participation with the party after concerns with the safety of
>> her family. When she reached out to Miralles, she was ignored and blocked
>> on social media.*
>>
>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-c
>> over-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/ http://in
>> dependentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-
>> 2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
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>> *There were people yelling white power. Larry Sharpe went on an alt-right
>> vlog by Ryan Ramsey called the Mad American Network. That group was with
>> Invictus in Harrisburg, PA and at least one member, Dave Martel, was seen
>> sieg heiling there. Invictus chased someone out of a courtesy suite with
>> threats of violence. Invictus was then pushing Paul Stanton trying to pick
>> a fight. There was loud applause of his speech where he hijacked our
>> convention for five minutes, then just bragged about it…*
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>> *…our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a privileged
>> motion, so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration platform plank
>> without letting it be read.*
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>> *Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee to a
>> “constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code for
>> anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando area,
>> same as Invictus -p).*
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>> *Oh, and by the way – no pretend antifa protesters showed up, of course.*
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-
>> why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-
>> white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-
>> libertarian-socialists-and-antifa/
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>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-phys
>> ically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-inhospitable-to-
>> the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/
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>> I'm sure that's more than enough for now, but there's plenty more. Feel
>> free to email or call 205-534-1622 <(205)%20534-1622> to discuss, and
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>> Caryn Ann, just to make it perfectly clear, I will support an
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>> speak out against mindless bigotry at every opportunity and encourage
>> economic and social ostracism to cope with both supremacist violence and
>> the moral wrong of non-violent ‘bake the cake’ intolerance. State-sponsored
>> retaliatory violence is not the answer to intolerance and just leaves the
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>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:17 AM
>> *To:* ednmax at yahoo.com
>> *Cc:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org; lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
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>> Thank you Ed.  I really appreciate your thoughts.
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>> I talk with the leadership (officers) of the LPF on a regular basis.
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>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
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>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
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>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
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Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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