[Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF

[Ken Moellman]

A disaffiliation motion is way too extreme.

I think the statement made by either Wes or Nick - I forget who made it -
about racism and whatnot being not welcome in the party was enough from LP
National.  Disaffiliation would take a serious infraction, IMO.  That a
party has internal issues is nothing new and nothing to get involved with.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:19 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
wrote:

> I agree that a disaffiliation investigation motion would open a can of
> worms. Perhaps the existing motion calling for a resolution is the wiser
> choice. However, it is a catch-22. How can we justify the resolution if we
> do not do the necessary due diligence investigation?
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Joshua Katz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:52 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
>
>
>
> Thank you to both Steven, Paul Frankel, and Tom Knapp for inserting
> much-needed facts into this discussion.  In light of these facts, I think
> vigilance is called for, but do not think it is appropriate, at this time,
> to make a relevant motion.
>
>
>
> I will note, without getting into the weeds, that while I won't quibble
> with facts alleged about Florida, I would disagree with some of the
> statements made about certain national groups, or in other ways about the
> dangerous movement we face.  I think they are more dangerous than they've
> been described here, and while in the past I considered them individually
> dangerous, I now consider them to be an organizational threat - and a
> threat to the modern world which made freedom possible.  (Murray Rothbard
> pointed out, in 1965, that freedom was made possible by the overthrow of
> the Ancien Regime, and I think the pre-modern thinking on the right, and
> the post-modern thinking on the left, are both creating an environment
> where it can return.)  I consider them, at the moment, the most immediate
> threat to freedom in our culture, since they have organized and gone beyond
> being individual cranks - they now are making moves on the world of ideas,
> which controls the rest.  And remember that far too many people associate
> us with them.  The Charlottesville morons (if it brings them any comfort, I
> think I speak on behalf of all Jews when I say that none of us desire to be
> mouth-breathing bigots carrying tiki torches, so their fears about us
> replacing them are misplaced) used a banner which was based on the Albany
> Plan of Union banner - and one of the snake pieces was labeled L.
>
>
>
> In any event, as concerns Florida, I think the analysis is pretty
> straightforward, although the determinations are not.  Is there a problem?
> I am convinced there is, and I am convinced we should not ignore it and
> blind ourselves to it.  Another party tried that approach, as well as
> "well, we'll bring them along for their votes on the things we agree
> about," and now is largely unable to get candidates who actually favor its
> basic ideas through primaries.  The next question, the crucial question, is
> - can the affiliate fix it?  (A related, but somewhat different question,
> is whether it wants to.)  I think the answer to that is yes.  There is, of
> course, a tipping point - a point where rather than try to fix the problem,
> good people simply leave, and the ability to fix the problem goes away.
> And good people are, it seems clear to me, leaving.  I still do not think
> the tipping point has been reached, though.
>
>
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
>
> At-Large Representative,
>
> Libertarian National Committee
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <travellingcircus at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
> To: "Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>, Independent
> Political Report <independent-political-report at googlegroups.com>, "
> iprtwo at googlegroups.com" <iprtwo at googlegroups.com>, erin.adams at lp.org,
> Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>, Joshua Katz <joshua.katz at lp.org>,
> David Demarest <David.Demarest at lp.org>, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>,
> Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com>, Steven Nekhaila <Steven.Nekhaila at gmail.com>,
> Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>, Paul Stanton <paul at stanton.name>
>
> I'm writing to LNC members who commented in this thread plus Whitney as my
> rep, IPR teamCCed for background, and Paul Stanton CCed. If any of the LNC
> members copied feel it's worth sharing with the rest of LNC please do so.
> If not, my feelings won't be hurt either.
>
>
>
> I'm not going to comment on what if anything LNC should do, just lay out
> the facts as I know them,
>
>
>
> Just before Paul Stanton resigned from LPF exec comm he submitted the
> following to that body (see links embedded in original):
>
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Greetings,
>
>
>
> Tonight's motion 520 is mainly regarding threats and advocacy of violence
> against me and others, including a current US Senate candidate and former
> rules chair of the Libertarian Party of Miami-Dade.  Additionally, he is a
> leader in a white supremacist group, the American Guard
> <http://adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>,
> a spin-off group of the violent anti-immigrant Sons of Odin - founded by Brien
> James
> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/brien-james> (who
> also founded the Vinlanders - a Neo-Nazi group responsible for dozens of
> murders).  The crossed cleavers in their shield is a reference to 19th century
> anti-immigrant gang leader, Bill the Butcher
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Poole> - an advocacy of violence
> against immigrants.
>
>
>
> Ryan Ramsey himself covers white nationalist "Rock Against Communism
> <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism>" bands like S
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>crewdriver
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>, and advocates for Operation
> Werewolf <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf>.  He has called the LNC
> Chair Nick Sarwark "Nazi Nick," citing Nick's Jewish religion, then blaming
> people "disingenuous political leaders like Nick Sarwark" for the rise of
> the Nazi Party and ultimately the Holocaust. <http://archive.is/EMZPY>
>
>
>
> Here are some links which I will be referencing tonight at the meeting:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.
> 1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/%3Cbr+/%3E>
> https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-
> hardcore-white-supremacists
> http://libertarianheathen.com
> http://archive.is/t5jC7
>
>
>
> Bottom line, I am sick of seeing threats of violence against good
> Libertarians, and others disassociating in disgust over the intimidation
> tactics, dehumanization, and white supremacist rhetoric being employed by
> leaders within our party.  If we allow one of our leaders to threaten our
> membership while having the ability to stop it, voters and donors have no
> reason to take our party seriously, as we clearly do not.
>
>
>
> The delegates very clearly gave us the ability to remove people from the
> EC for violation of the non-aggression pledge.  Tonight we must decide if
> we will take that task seriously or not.
>
>
>
> In liberty,
> *Paul Stanton*
>
>
>
> *Folowup message: *
>
>
> [          ]
>
> Info about the 1930s German Nazi history book that Ryan Ramsey took his
> meme from:
>
> http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
> Frankel: I can also attest to the threats coming from Ramsey, his former
> close associate Augustus Invictus and others in their circle.
>
>
>
> Back in April of this year, on a tip from IPR site owner Warren Redlich, I
> published http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/police-report-
> augustus-invictus-accused-of-domestic-violence-sexual-assault-kidnapping/
> detailing that Mr. Invictus' ex-fiancee made these very serious allegations
> against him. I confirmed with the police department in question that the
> referenced report had in fact been filed. I made no comment in the article
> about the truth or falsehood of the allegations. Any comments of opinions I
> made in the comment section on the same basis as any of our other readers
> and clearly marked as opinion. Notably, the complaintant and associate of
> hers also reported death threats at the time from Invictus and Ramsey, who
> have since then (very recently) had a falling out. Witness tampering was
> also one of the allegations.
>
>
>
> I also *republished* http://independentpoliticalreport.
> com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-
> cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-
> and-a-call-to-action-against-them/
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/>
> (note that the original and its website were taken down so the images no
> longer appear; scroll down to see the section about Ryan Ramsey as the last
> part of the article).
>
>
>
> As a response, 1) Augustus Invictus wrote me and Warren Redlich,
> insinuating possible legal action and hinting at other forms of
> retaliation; he later wrote another former associate of his, Raquel Okyay,
> which was later forwarded to me, naming me as one of the people he plans to
> take some form of unspecified revenge on.   2) Ryan Ramsey published two
> articles filled with outright lies and slanderous fictions about me,
> Redlich, and others alleging some grand conspiracy . You can find them at
> libertarianheathen.com with a search for Frankel. Ramsey and his
> associates continually spread this crap on FB and probably elsewhere.
>
>
>
> https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel
>
>
> The slanderous lies from Ramsey were tit for tat retaliation – he said so
> himself, and offered a reciprocal unpublishing – because I reported the
> news that his then buddy Augustus Invictus, one of the Charlottesville
> organizers, had been accused of a pattern of domestic violence, kidnapping
> and rape by his ex-fiancee. I was simply reporting the news, not taking a
> stance, except in the comments; and even there I was careful to separate
> what I knew to be fact from my opinion and what others alleged.
> Furthermore, I reposted accurate reporting about Ryan Ramsey and his
> associates previously published elsewhere. His response was to
>
> 1) Publish lies about me, Warren Redlich and IPR, linked above
>
> 2) Offer to take them down if we took down our own reporting
>
> 3) Threaten to sic law enforcement on me for supposedly being a terrorist
> and threatening his wife, none of which is even remotely true.
> Specifically, he said he had contacted the Florida Department of Law
> Enforcement electronic crimes division and was planning to meet with the
> FBI and tell them that I am a terrorist (a preposterous lie) and that I
> threatened his then pregnant wife (another absurd fiction).
>
> 4) His pal Invictus broached the possibility of suing us (but said he
> wasn’t doing that, at least at that time)
>
> 5) Invictus later issued a non-specific threat against me and a few other
> people saying we will “get what is coming to us.” Among many other people
> he and his associates have threatened.
>
> Ryan Ramsey’s article is in fact full of attacks, slander and lies.
> Looking at just the headline alone: I am not editor in chief at IPR and in
> fact there is no such position. I am not a terrorist, and that is a
> slanderous claim. Moving beyond the headline I address numerous inaccurate
> statements, slanders, libel and downright lies in Ramsey’s article in a
> series of comments starting at http://independentpoliticalreport.
> com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-
> open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189 and continuing
> over a couple of dozen comments.
>
> To take one egregious example, Ramsey continually asserts that I had
> something to do with killing a dog. I did not, and while he is not the
> first person to spread this lie it is nevertheless a lie and he is not
> repeating it as a statement by someone else but rather as something he
> knows to be true, unlike the statements about him by others that I have
> published. There are many similar falsehoods throughout the article which I
> addressed in IPR comments.
>
>
>
> Others who have been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and friends include *Tom
> Knapp *
>
>
>
> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-
> perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-
> approach/#comment-1636145
>
>
>
> *"**To date, twice when the AI combination pity party / threat machine
> got cranked up and I was involved in direct back and forth, I escalated
> from Condition Yellow to Condition Orange. This involves, among other
> things, making my family aware of a possible threat, ensuring that at least
> one person in the household in addition to myself has a loaded firearm near
> to hand at all times, and paying special attention to street traffic in my
> neighborhood (which is very low traffic so anything unusual stands out, and
> I have a nearby neighbor who knows to call if anything looks suspicious as
> well). "*
>
>
>
>
>
> Frankel again) The email I was forwarded from Invictus says in part *"**Stanton,
> Tesky, Wyllie, Marchetti, and Frankel **are all directly responsible for
> that, because the babysitter called the police based off the bullshit
> criminal allegations being pushed by those five. It was the ‘news’ story
> that caused the babysitter to call the police. Fourth and final: It never
> crossed my mind that Joe (Wendt) had anything to do with that, but if I
> find out that he was involved with Stanton or Tesky or Marchetti in pushing
> those criminal allegations, I will hang him with my own fucking hands. That
> entire situation is something so outrageous that I am not even discussing
> it. Each and every person who was involved or had knowledge of it will get
> what is coming to them.**"*
>
>
>
>
> And in fact, all of the people named, myself included, are among many
> others who have reported being threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and their
> circle of associates. Ramsey is still neck deep in it even now that
> Invictus has become a Republican.
>
>
>
> Ramsey is allegedly gloating about Stanton's resignation in these facebook
> groups, among others:
>
>
>
> Kekistan
>
> The Right Way: No Cucks, Only Kek
>
> Republic of Kekistan
>
> @The Deplorables and Basement Dwellers for Trump
>
> Anti-SJW
>
> Anti-SJW Pinochet's Beach Party
>
>
>
>
>
> The ex-fiancee of Invictus, Ms. Rice, and her friend Ms. Brown along with
> others they knew also reported being threatened and intimidated by
> Invictus, Ramsey et al.
>
>
>
> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-us-
> senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-
> principles-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/
>
>
>
>
>
> ....
>
> *Libertarian Party Candidate for U.S. Senate, Joe Wendt, condemns LPF
> Chair, Marcos Miralles, for pursuing a policy that promotes white
> nationalists within the Libertarian Party of Florida. “Mr. Miralles has
> appointed known white nationalists to leadership positions.”*
>
>
>
>
>
> *...*
>
>
>
> *“I have been threatened with physical violence by white nationalist
> supporters of Miralles,” said Wendt. “*
>
>
>
>
> <http://goog_1698321734>
>
> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-
> perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/  see
> embedded links in original"
>
>
>
>
>
> *We are losing good members, and the trust of the public, due to the
> elevation of leaders in extremist hate groups to our party leadership.  We
> need a new approach.  Local libertarian-leaning politicians and voters
> associate us with far-right extremists.  As of yesterday, my county no
> longer has a full slate of candidates for the Florida House.   One of the
> Libertarian candidates I drafted will now unfortunately be running NPA.
> Yesterday, we also lost our incoming Rules Committee chair.  Previously,
> both our former gubernatorial nominee and our senatorial nominee (prior to
> me) have resigned their LPF memberships, among countless other Libertarian
> activists and volunteers.  A member of my 2016 Senate campaign ended her
> participation with the party, because her employer forbids associations
> with members of extremist hate groups advocating for violence. A single
> friend (who ceased her participation after receiving death threats) has
> reported that no fewer than 30 of her acquaintances have withdrawn from
> Libertarian Party activism due to risks to themselves and their
> reputations.*
>
>
>
> *During my US Senate campaign, I never expected the situation that
> unfolded.  I expected the personal attacks, but I never expected racist
> fantasies about my mother, posting of personal information about members of
> my family, or the violent threats and sexual harassment targeting my
> supporters and members of my campaign.  Last month, after I introduced a
> motion (which was killed) to remove Florida’s member of the Libertarian
> Party Platform Committee for his racist statements
> <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white#.22The_mantra.22>,
> I was accused of wanting to kill all white people, in a “white genocide
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory>”
> conspiracy theory.  And now today, there have been threats that
> the militant <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Odin> hate
> <http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/who-are-the-american-guard-patriotic-nationalists-or-skinheads-in-disguise> group
> <https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/18/heathen-know-nothings-the-american-guard/> the
> <http://forward.com/fast-forward/368055/white-supremacists-and-skinheads-join-pro-trump-rally/> American
> Guard
> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>may
> be waiting for me in the parking lot, or harassing county party meetings.
> We must have higher standards for our party leadership!*
>
> *Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics among white nationalists,
> and there are several other victims throughout Florida.  This behavior
> cannot be accepted.  We cannot continue to elevate these people.
> Libertarianism stands for maximum freedom for everyone, universally. We
> dishonor ourselves and our party by enabling liars with wildly divergent
> philosophies, who stand immediately adjacent to neo-Nazis
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_(United_States)>, white
> nationalists
> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/vinlanders-social-club>, fascists
> <https://johnmhudak.com/2017/07/16/rise-of-the-anarcho-statists-part-iii-augustus-sol-invictus-the-unconquerable-sun-god/>,organized
> criminal syndicates
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaws_Motorcycle_Club>, and domestic
> terrorists <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Front>.*
>
>
>
>
>
> From the comments:
>
>
>
> 1.     *Starchild <http://www.openborders.info/>**July 22, 2017 at 09:26*
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634719>
>
> *Joe, do you know which individuals were shouting “white power” at the
> state convention? Is there video evidence of this? I would hope those
> individuals are identified and ostracized, and that other Libertarians will
> make clear to them that there is no room for such racism in the LP. That is
> not what we are about. If individuals who seek to act in such a manner
> leave the party, that is not a loss for us but a gain.*
>
> 2.
>
> 3.     *Joe Wendt**July 22, 2017 at 12:10*
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634766>
>
> *Starchild,*
>
> *The individuals in question are supports of the current LPF Chair.
> Although Augustus Invictus, the most prominent of the White Nationalists,
> has left the party, unfortunately other less prominent White Nationalists
> are not [only -p] remaining active in the LPF, the Chair is actually giving
> them positions of authority.*
>
> *Screenshot of Ramsey threatening to knock Wendt’s teeth out and saying he
> may have an “accident”*
>
> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/
> 07/received_10159060778305274.png
>
> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 12:04
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635134>
>
> Again, it’s not about Joe.* Yes Ramsey threatened Joe, but he also
> threatened many other people, as has Invictus and their other buddies.
> There are numerous sources for that, including me. *Yes, Ramsey has
> spread bullshit about me. I think he is still doing it although I haven’t
> checked lately. Did he know it to be false or did he just repeat what other
> people said? Well, he couldn’t have known it to be true since it was not
> true and he did not say “so and so says” he just repeated things as if they
> were facts and added new ones such as the bullshit about me being a
> terrorist and member of a terrorist groups and the bullshit about me making
> threats against his wife. And again, *these are just examples just as the
> other examples in Stanton’s article are only examples.*
>
> *The real issue is that there is an ongoing pattern as reported by many
> different people of Invictus, Ramsey and their circle of friends issuing
> threats, spreading lies .. to and about many different people .. and
> maintaining ongoing close associations with multiple white supremacist
> groups and violent groups and individuals.*
>
> ....
>
> *Ramsey says “You were awful meek last night punk. Ill see you soon though
> and well see how mouthy you are”* which is clearly physical intimidation.
> Joe is talking shit on the internet but Ramsey says he will not do it in
> person. Why not? Clearly due to threat of physical violence. Ramsey follows
> this up with *“Id be more concerned with the teeth in your mouth at this
> point joe. Your dental plan good?” *which in the context of his earlier
> statement is not exactly a very veiled threat. If he was genuinely
> concerned about Joe slipping and falling due to being drunk, which is
> laughable in the context of the conversation, he would not have made the
> threat so specific.
>
> And the larger context of course is that there have been many other
> threats, to many other people, myself as well as this publication (IPR)
> included.
>
> Joe WendtJuly 23, 2017 at 13:55
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635174>
>
> *To Andy,*
>
> *I have contacted the police. Since it has not progressed beyond Facebook,
> they told me to block him and contact them again if he continues the
> harassing and threatening behavior. They will be called if he threatens me
> again.*
>
> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at 14:19
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635179>
>
> *Also, if all of these if all of these violent threats have been made, why
> hasn’t anyone gone to jail? Has anyone even gotten a restraining order?*
>
> Don’t be naive. Threats are not always made in a verifiable, provable
> form. I’ve received plenty of threats over the years, including death
> threats, and I have never felt the urge to go to the cops about it. What
> the fuck are they going to do? While they conduct their half assed
> investigation I may get killed or injured or whatever else. Or someone else
> around me.
>
> And one of the people that has been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and
> friends made a good point. This person said that Ramsey has known contacts
> in law enforcement and that there are known ties between many members of
> law enforcement and white supremacist groups such as the ones Ramsey and
> Invictus have a lot of ties to. So reporting anything to law enforcement
> may actually be cutting your own throat if you get threatened by these
> assholes.
>
> FL: Augustus Invictus campaigns in front of white nationalist skinhead
> music banner
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>   http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-
> invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
> Note: Ramsey also frequently associates with that same banner to this day.
> "Rock Against Communism" may sound like something that libertarians would
> agree with, but in reality it's a well-known neo-nazi front organization
> that no "former" white supremacist (as Ramsey claims to be) would have any
> association with.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism
>
> *The Rock Against Communism movement originated in the **United Kingdom
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>** in late 1978 with **far
> right <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right>** activists associated
> with the **National Front
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Front>** (NF).**[4]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** It
> was intended to counter the **Rock Against Racism
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism>** organisation.**[4]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** The
> first RAC concert was in **Leeds <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds>*
> *, **England <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>** in 1978, featuring
> the **Nazi punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk>** bands The
> Dentists and The Ventz.**[5]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-5>** RAC
> held one concert in 1979 and another in spring 1983, which was headlined
> by **Skrewdriver <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>**, a **white
> power rock <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock>** band led
> by **Ian Stuart Donaldson
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stuart_Donaldson>**. After that, RAC
> concerts were held more often. They were often headlined by Skrewdriver and
> featured other white power bands, such as **Skullhead
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skullhead>** and **No Remorse
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_(band)>**. In the mid-1980s,
> summer concerts were often held at the **Suffolk
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk>** home of **Edgar Griffin
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Griffin>**, a **Conservative Party
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)>** activist**[6]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-6>** and
> father of **Nick Griffin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin>**,
> an NF organiser who later became the national chair of the **British
> National Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party>**.
> By the late 1980s, the RAC name had given way to the White Noise Club
> (another NF-based group), and later **Blood and Honour
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Honour>**, which was set up by **Donaldson
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson>** when they fell out with the
> NF leadership.**[4]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>*
> * As **hardcore punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk>** music
> became more popular in the 1990s and 2000s, many white power bands took on
> a more hardcore-influenced sound.*
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> Note that Ryan Ramsey continues to proudly wave the "Rock against
> communism" banner.
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> Chuck Moulton: ‘LP conventions, avoid alt-right / white supremacist event
> speakers’
> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/>
>  http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-
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> More background:
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-brown-
> response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-rape-
> assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-
> against-augustus-invictus/
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-
> augustus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-
> censure-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-colborne-
> augustus-sol-invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-
> going-to-shut-it-down/
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-lp-
> of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-lp-
> florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/ :
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> *Marcos Miralles began his race for Chair of the LPF with the support
> of Augustus Sol Invictus
> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/augustus-sol-invictus-austin-gillespie>**and
> Ryan Ramsey, both leaders in white supremacist groups, including the
> American Guard
> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>**.
>  (The American Guard was one of the groups present in Charlottesville last
> weekend.
> <http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/indiana-american-guard-among-protestors-at-charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally>**)
>  Invictus was also a featured speaker at the Charlottesville white
> supremacist rally.
> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-augustus-invictus-charlottesville-20170814-story.html>**  The
> support has not been one-sided.  Last year, Marcos Miralles provided a town
> hall for Invictus
> <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article97524342.html>** (as
> part of a campaign to stir up drama during the primary), the pictures from
> which are still used by the Miami Herald to associate our party with
> Invictus <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article167083427.html>**.
> Additionally, he proudly displayed Ryan Ramsey’s endorsement on his website
> and appointed Ryan Ramsey <https://docs.lpf.org/meeting/july-16th-2017/>** to
> our Legislative Review Committee.  There is no place for white supremacy in
> the Libertarian Party of Florida.*
>
> *Thankfully, there was a recent press release
> <https://lpf.org/2017/08/libertarian-party-florida-first-strongest-voice-hate-filled-groups/> condemning
> the events in Charlottesville.  Unfortunately, Marcos Miralles has refused
> to condemn the white supremacists within our party, or recant his previous
> support.  Instead, he insists that he will “work with everybody” and has
> dismissed worries about white supremacists using our party to support their
> platform as “non sense,” despite the support of the previously-mentioned
> Libertarians, and despite the Libertarian Party of Florida’s representative
> to the Libertarian Party platform committee, Frank Caprio.  Caprio
> regularly makes very racist comments, including quotes white
> supremacist Bob Whitaker
> <https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died>.
> I physically cringed when I read Marcos write: “The Libertarian Party of
> Florida will forever remain the safest home for all of those that fight for
> civil rights.”  As one of the Libertarian victims of violent threats and
> harassment (a Muslim mother of biracial children) stated, “The Libertarian
> Party was not a safe haven for me and many others like me.  It should be,
> by principle. […] But that’s not the present day reality.”  Sadly, she
> ended her participation with the party after concerns with the safety of
> her family. When she reached out to Miralles, she was ignored and blocked
> on social media.*
>
> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-
> cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/ http://
> independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-
> cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
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> *There were people yelling white power. Larry Sharpe went on an alt-right
> vlog by Ryan Ramsey called the Mad American Network. That group was with
> Invictus in Harrisburg, PA and at least one member, Dave Martel, was seen
> sieg heiling there. Invictus chased someone out of a courtesy suite with
> threats of violence. Invictus was then pushing Paul Stanton trying to pick
> a fight. There was loud applause of his speech where he hijacked our
> convention for five minutes, then just bragged about it…*
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> *…our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a privileged
> motion, so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration platform plank
> without letting it be read.*
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> *Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee to a
> “constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code for
> anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando area,
> same as Invictus -p).*
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> *Oh, and by the way – no pretend antifa protesters showed up, of course.*
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-
> libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-
> nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-
> socialists-and-antifa/
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> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-
> physically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-
> inhospitable-to-the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/
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> I'm sure that's more than enough for now, but there's plenty more. Feel
> free to email or call 205-534-1622 <(205)%20534-1622> to discuss, and
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> Caryn Ann, just to make it perfectly clear, I will support an
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> out against mindless bigotry at every opportunity and encourage economic
> and social ostracism to cope with both supremacist violence and the moral
> wrong of non-violent ‘bake the cake’ intolerance. State-sponsored
> retaliatory violence is not the answer to intolerance and just leaves the
> door open for state-initiated repression that we Libertarians are supposed
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> *May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom Un-Convention*
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> Roads to Freedom Foundation, Founder
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:17 AM
> *To:* ednmax at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org; lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
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> I talk with the leadership (officers) of the LPF on a regular basis.
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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