[Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Fri Oct 27 14:31:53 EDT 2017 

Prediction: those who speak out here will be targeted.

Keeps others from speaking out.

-Caryn Ann


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:24 PM David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree that there are limits to what the LNC can do in this matter. What
> the LNC can do is inspire and empower individual Libertarians to be fully
> informed with a full set of principles and accurate facts so they
> individually use voluntary economic and social ostracism in an appropriate,
> just and effective manner to deal with thinly-disguised authoritarian
> threats exemplified by the nonsense in Florida.
>
> Physical threats are a serious matter that cuts to the core of what
> Libertarianism stands for. Political correctness and ridicule of those who
> take a stand against bigotry is not a principled answer.
>
> Regardless, threats or no threats, memes or no memes, I will speak out at
> every opportunity against mindless bigotry that goes hand-in-hand with
> authoritarianism and nationalism, as I am doing now. We all have a choice
> on how we deal with ethno-nationalism. I hope for the sake of the LP and
> the Libertarian movement that we individual Libertarians choose wisely.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> On Oct 27, 2017 12:52 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Larry I don't disagree with you.  That has been my position.  And unless
>> we want to disaffiliate it's like pulling a gun.  Don't do that unless you
>> intend to shoot.
>>
>> I just wanted to be clear that I've been reading material, also comparing
>> it with my past experiences, and then that "response" by Ramsey and I'm not
>> buying that there isn't a problem.  What gets done must be spearheaded by
>> Florida Libertarians.
>>
>> I'm not fooled IOW.  And honestly I came to the realization of how toxic
>> this may be, particularly to women in the Party, who would leave silently.
>> I asked myself if I would stick around that.  The answer is not an
>> unequivocal yes.
>>
>> I stand by my comments that there is a bullying and threatening issue
>> with the far left as well.  There was a threat to bring ANTIFA to our
>> convention.  There is condemnation of the idea of property ownership and we
>> don't have to look too far into history to see where that leads.  And
>> violence has been discussed.  I see it too.  And believe we have a shameful
>> reluctance to call that what it is.  It's not a matter of equivalency or
>> comparing thresholds of damage.  It's about defending libertarian ideas.
>>
>>
>> The fact is that these two sides feed on each other.  The existence of
>> one gives the other propaganda.
>>
>> We must continue to keep on the northward libertarian route.
>>
>> But make no mistake- there IS an ethno-nationalist issue in Florida.
>>
>> Read Ramsey's response.  If you do not see manipulative gas lighting then
>> you lack discernment.
>>
>> If all we can do is personally say to those complaining- yes I see what
>> you are saying.  You are not imagining things- that is valuable.
>>
>> We are a limited power body.  We can resist the urge to think we can or
>> should intervene in everything.  But that does not mean not seeing the
>> thing.  I see it.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:32 AM Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sagely spoken once again my friend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My two cents,
>>>
>>> Ed and Steven both say leave it alone. So, leave it alone.
>>>
>>> They may be wrong, but the odds of them being wrong are far lower than
>>> the odds of our meddling making things worse.
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2017 12:22, "David Demarest" <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Caryn Ann, there sure is a lot of smoke in Florida. It is
>>>> time to stop pooh-poohing this thinly-disguised bigotry, ethno-nationalism
>>>> and power-grab threat to both Florida and national Libertarianism; stop
>>>> sweeping it under the rug and take a serious look at the matter.
>>>>
>>>> Disagreements on the application of the NAP, while a serious matter,
>>>> are understandable. Disagreements on mindless bigotry and
>>>> ethno-nationalism, however, will be a malignant cancer on the LP and
>>>> Libertarian movement if not addressed promptly and assertively.
>>>>
>>>> I reiterate, not tolerating intolerance is NOT bigotry. Tolerance in
>>>> defense of intolerance is a VICE. This should be a no-brainer to all
>>>> Libertarians. Bigots and ethno-nationalist power-grabbers must not be part
>>>> of our target market. They will only use us to achieve their nefarious
>>>> goals that will undermine our credibility. Like Wes and Nick, I ask
>>>> pseudo-Libertarians who think otherwise to promptly take their political
>>>> business elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> We can follow the lead of Nick and Wes and use the tool of voluntary
>>>> individual economic and social ostracism to bring this insidious threat to
>>>> a screeching halt. Disaffiliation, while a last resort, can be an effective
>>>> institutional tool of economic and social ostracism, fully consistent with
>>>> even a strict interpretation of the NAP, to effectively deal with this
>>>> potentially lethal threat to Libertarianism.
>>>>
>>>> It is time to clean this mindless evil out of the LP and Libertarian
>>>> movement before it gets out of control, impacts our political agenda and
>>>> undermines our heroic goal of freedom, nothing more, nothing less.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 27, 2017 9:29 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just read a "response" by Ryan Ramsey and it has all the marks of an
>>>>> aggressive gas lighting campaign.  After I read that letter, my "knower"
>>>>> knew that there are too many testimonies that ring true.  There is a very
>>>>> manipulative game going on.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is definitely something very toxic going on in Florida.  I am
>>>>> going to be speaking to my Region 1 Chairs about this as I make my
>>>>> quarterly conferences with them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:52 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is clear evidence of (1) a current Florida LP state-level
>>>>>> official making clearly racist statements, or clear and credible threats of
>>>>>> violence, and (2) the Florida LP leadership being aware of this and taking
>>>>>> no action whatsoever to condemn it or distance the Florida LP from it, I
>>>>>> think perhaps a letter of concern from the LNC would be in order. If the
>>>>>> Florida LP leadership offered no reasonable response to such a letter and
>>>>>> continued to not take any remedial action, especially if it became clear
>>>>>> that this was part of a pattern of ignoring racism or serious
>>>>>> Non-Aggression Principle violations from state leaders, then I would be
>>>>>> ready to entertain a motion to disaffiliate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But – and I confess I have not read all the links and background on
>>>>>> this – I'm not sure even the first condition stated above has been met. My
>>>>>> personal belief is that Ryan Ramsey likely does hold bigoted white
>>>>>> supremacist type views, but while the the evidence for this may be
>>>>>> cumulatively compelling (walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.), it
>>>>>> also seems to be largely circumstantial. I looked at the American Guard
>>>>>> website for instance, and didn't find a "smoking gun" of explicitly racist
>>>>>> material. Now I do think Ramsey's comments about LP chair Nick Sarwark are
>>>>>> reprehensible and without merit. A sample (more at
>>>>>> http://archive.is/EMZPY#selection-233.0-233.110):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"*Nick Sarwark, National Chairman of the Libertarian Party, is the
>>>>>> poster boy for the Cultural Marxist idiocy that keeps us relegated to
>>>>>> single digit election returns... *Any question as to whether Mr.
>>>>>> Sarwark was a lover of liberty, or a Cultural Marxist attempting to hold
>>>>>> back the advance of the  Libertarian Party, were answered when he made
>>>>>> national news repeating lies about Milo Yiannopoulos, subject of the
>>>>>> violence in Berkley, when he insinuated bloodshed to stop free speech was
>>>>>> 'understandable'... **For those who did not attend the National
>>>>>> Convention last spring in Orlando, let me tell you how Nick Sarwark was
>>>>>> re-elected as LP Chairman. He collected a group of loyalists around himself
>>>>>> to feign running as opposition. Then at the last minute, on the Convention
>>>>>> floor, they dropped their candidacy and threw their support to the man
>>>>>> trying to do the Weimar Republic over, as if the Communists will win this
>>>>>> time. This is why many are starting to  refer to him as 'Nazi Nick',
>>>>>> despite his Jewish religion. His ignorance of history is astounding,
>>>>>> especially considering his heritage. It is an ignorance common among the
>>>>>> products of compulsory government education camps, but unacceptable for
>>>>>> anyone wishing to lead the third largest political party in the greatest
>>>>>> nation on the planet. The smug manner in which the leftist infection tries
>>>>>> to paint President Trump as Hitler is the crowning jewel of their
>>>>>> ignorance. It is time for a quick history lesson on Germany prior to World
>>>>>> War Two. Trump is not Hitler, but people like Sarwark are ushering the next
>>>>>> Hitler in... Behold Nick Sarwark, who claims to lead the party of
>>>>>> individual freedom, as he ushers his own Jewish people toward the boxcars.
>>>>>> Nazi Nick, the ultimate in self hatred."*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if the rumor about Milo Yiannopoulis planning to "out"
>>>>>> undocumented students during his speech at UC Berkeley, which Yiannopoulis
>>>>>> ultimately did not do and denied intending to do, was false – I'm not sure
>>>>>> it was; I wouldn't be surprised if Yiannopoulis, via associates, was the
>>>>>> source of the rumor, even if he never intended to carry out any such action
>>>>>> – the point is that if student protesters heard the rumor and sincerely
>>>>>> believed it, there's an argument to be made that their use of violence to
>>>>>> stop him from speaking arguably was, to the best of their knowledge at the
>>>>>> time, a legitimate defensive measure designed to prevent people being
>>>>>> forcibly kidnapped and deported by the State. I'm not sure Nick intended to
>>>>>> go that far; the word "understandable" as he used it is somewhat ambiguous
>>>>>> and does not necessarily imply approval.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless, any LP member whose views are so badly skewed as to
>>>>>> publish a written public article condemning as solidly libertarian a party
>>>>>> leader as the current LP national chair as a "cultural Marxist" and among
>>>>>> those who is "usher(ing) his own Jewish people toward the boxcars", is not
>>>>>> somebody I personally want serving in the party leadership. Coupled with
>>>>>> the threats that Paul Stanton and Paul Frankel report Ramsey making against
>>>>>> them and against members of Stanton's family, and Ramsey's connections to
>>>>>> groups like Rock Against Communism and the American Guard, if I sat on the
>>>>>> Florida LP Executive Committee and had been voting, I believe I would have
>>>>>> voted to remove Ramsey from that body if such action is consistent with the
>>>>>> Florida LP's bylaws. But I don't know whether there was a bylaws issue, or
>>>>>> why the ExCom majority voted down Paul Stanton's motion for removal. My
>>>>>> suspicion that they may have made what I believe to be a bad decision isn't
>>>>>> enough for me to support the LNC formally weighing in or taking action
>>>>>> vis-a-vis the Florida LP, short of the conditions I describe in the first
>>>>>> paragraph above being met. Short of removal, I don't know what other steps,
>>>>>> if any, they have taken, or may yet take.
>>>>>> But if the LNC does not make any direct formal response to the
>>>>>> Florida situation, this still leaves the question of what else we can do
>>>>>> with regard to the broader issue of ethno-nationalism seeping into the
>>>>>> Libertarian Party. It's been pointed out that the LNC has recently issued a
>>>>>> strong statement against racism and bigotry; the value of issuing another
>>>>>> such statement at this time seems dubious. However while we've recently
>>>>>> addressed the "ethno" aspect of the ethno-nationalist problem, I don't
>>>>>> think we've adequately addressed nationalism, which is much more pervasive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nationalism is itself, I believe, a form of bigotry akin to racism.
>>>>>> It is an anti-individualist philosophy which, translated into government
>>>>>> policy, results in virtually every national government in the world
>>>>>> wrongfully discriminating against people on the basis of innate
>>>>>> characteristics beyond their control (where they were born or who their
>>>>>> parents were). It also tends to lead people to take un-libertarian
>>>>>> positions, such as being willing to initiate force against immigrants,
>>>>>> supporting protectionism, and accepting various rights violations in the
>>>>>> name of "national security". Nationalism can also serve as a cover for
>>>>>> racism, because nationalist and racist views often dovetail when it comes
>>>>>> to issues like immigration, racial profiling in the name of "national
>>>>>> security", the U.S. government killing people in other countries, etc. But
>>>>>> despite being as repugnant as racism, nationalism has so far largely gotten
>>>>>> a pass from society including from many (L)ibertarians. If we are serious
>>>>>> about discouraging the sort of views that are disrupting the Florida LP,
>>>>>> the LNC issuing a strong statement against nationalism seems like a very
>>>>>> good idea, and I would support such a resolution. I think we should also
>>>>>> pay more attention to how our messaging and other practices (e.g. use of
>>>>>> the American flag) can subtly legitimize and reinforce nationalism in the
>>>>>> party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>                          RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>                                     @StarchildSF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Ken.  And the RR from that area gave their input.  I can
>>>>>> tell you no Region 1 state would welcome this interference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So pre-empttively since we seem so eager to get involved in
>>>>>> affiliates - this RR says don't mess with Region 1 states.  They handle
>>>>>> their own business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm hoping Oregon gets on mended terms with National.  This isn't the
>>>>>> way to show states we learned our lesson from that mess.  Their Board voted
>>>>>> and unless we think the whole of that leadership are secret nazis then we
>>>>>> have no right or authority to be second-guessing their decision for their
>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I routinely get complaints about such and such going on here and
>>>>>> there.  I listen, tell them their rights, and say it is for their state to
>>>>>> handle.  Wes brilliant release said what we needed to.  I wish we would say
>>>>>> the same to the violent left.  Violence against persons and property is
>>>>>> unacceptable.  Bigotry and identity collectivism of all kinds is
>>>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Ken Moellman <ken at moellman.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A disaffiliation motion is way too extreme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the statement made by either Wes or Nick - I forget who made
>>>>>>> it - about racism and whatnot being not welcome in the party was enough
>>>>>>> from LP National.  Disaffiliation would take a serious infraction, IMO.
>>>>>>> That a party has internal issues is nothing new and nothing to get involved
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:19 PM, David Demarest <
>>>>>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree that a disaffiliation investigation motion would open a can
>>>>>>>> of worms. Perhaps the existing motion calling for a resolution is the wiser
>>>>>>>> choice. However, it is a catch-22. How can we justify the resolution if we
>>>>>>>> do not do the necessary due diligence investigation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom Un-Convention*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roads to Freedom Foundation, Founder
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LPRC Board Member, Nebraska State Coordinator
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.Demarest at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Secretary at LPNE.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DPrattDemarest at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Joshua Katz
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:52 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you to both Steven, Paul Frankel, and Tom Knapp for inserting
>>>>>>>> much-needed facts into this discussion.  In light of these facts, I think
>>>>>>>> vigilance is called for, but do not think it is appropriate, at this time,
>>>>>>>> to make a relevant motion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will note, without getting into the weeds, that while I won't
>>>>>>>> quibble with facts alleged about Florida, I would disagree with some of the
>>>>>>>> statements made about certain national groups, or in other ways about the
>>>>>>>> dangerous movement we face.  I think they are more dangerous than they've
>>>>>>>> been described here, and while in the past I considered them individually
>>>>>>>> dangerous, I now consider them to be an organizational threat - and a
>>>>>>>> threat to the modern world which made freedom possible.  (Murray Rothbard
>>>>>>>> pointed out, in 1965, that freedom was made possible by the overthrow of
>>>>>>>> the Ancien Regime, and I think the pre-modern thinking on the right, and
>>>>>>>> the post-modern thinking on the left, are both creating an environment
>>>>>>>> where it can return.)  I consider them, at the moment, the most immediate
>>>>>>>> threat to freedom in our culture, since they have organized and gone beyond
>>>>>>>> being individual cranks - they now are making moves on the world of ideas,
>>>>>>>> which controls the rest.  And remember that far too many people associate
>>>>>>>> us with them.  The Charlottesville morons (if it brings them any comfort, I
>>>>>>>> think I speak on behalf of all Jews when I say that none of us desire to be
>>>>>>>> mouth-breathing bigots carrying tiki torches, so their fears about us
>>>>>>>> replacing them are misplaced) used a banner which was based on the Albany
>>>>>>>> Plan of Union banner - and one of the snake pieces was labeled L.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any event, as concerns Florida, I think the analysis is pretty
>>>>>>>> straightforward, although the determinations are not.  Is there a problem?
>>>>>>>> I am convinced there is, and I am convinced we should not ignore it and
>>>>>>>> blind ourselves to it.  Another party tried that approach, as well as
>>>>>>>> "well, we'll bring them along for their votes on the things we agree
>>>>>>>> about," and now is largely unable to get candidates who actually favor its
>>>>>>>> basic ideas through primaries.  The next question, the crucial question, is
>>>>>>>> - can the affiliate fix it?  (A related, but somewhat different question,
>>>>>>>> is whether it wants to.)  I think the answer to that is yes.  There is, of
>>>>>>>> course, a tipping point - a point where rather than try to fix the problem,
>>>>>>>> good people simply leave, and the ability to fix the problem goes away.
>>>>>>>> And good people are, it seems clear to me, leaving.  I still do not think
>>>>>>>> the tipping point has been reached, though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At-Large Representative,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: <travellingcircus at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>>>>>>>> To: "Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>,
>>>>>>>> Independent Political Report <
>>>>>>>> independent-political-report at googlegroups.com>, "
>>>>>>>> iprtwo at googlegroups.com" <iprtwo at googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>> erin.adams at lp.org, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>, Joshua
>>>>>>>> Katz <joshua.katz at lp.org>, David Demarest <David.Demarest at lp.org>,
>>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>, Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com>,
>>>>>>>> Steven Nekhaila <Steven.Nekhaila at gmail.com>, Starchild <
>>>>>>>> sfdreamer at earthlink.net>, Paul Stanton <paul at stanton.name>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm writing to LNC members who commented in this thread plus
>>>>>>>> Whitney as my rep, IPR teamCCed for background, and Paul Stanton CCed. If
>>>>>>>> any of the LNC members copied feel it's worth sharing with the rest of LNC
>>>>>>>> please do so. If not, my feelings won't be hurt either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not going to comment on what if anything LNC should do, just
>>>>>>>> lay out the facts as I know them,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just before Paul Stanton resigned from LPF exec comm he submitted
>>>>>>>> the following to that body (see links embedded in original):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tonight's motion 520 is mainly regarding threats and advocacy of
>>>>>>>> violence against me and others, including a current US Senate candidate and
>>>>>>>> former rules chair of the Libertarian Party of Miami-Dade.  Additionally,
>>>>>>>> he is a leader in a white supremacist group, the American Guard
>>>>>>>> <http://adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>,
>>>>>>>> a spin-off group of the violent anti-immigrant Sons of Odin - founded by Brien
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/brien-james> (who
>>>>>>>> also founded the Vinlanders - a Neo-Nazi group responsible for dozens of
>>>>>>>> murders).  The crossed cleavers in their shield is a reference to 19th century
>>>>>>>> anti-immigrant gang leader, Bill the Butcher
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Poole> - an advocacy of
>>>>>>>> violence against immigrants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Ramsey himself covers white nationalist "Rock Against
>>>>>>>> Communism <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism>"
>>>>>>>> bands like S <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>crewdriver
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>, and advocates for Operation
>>>>>>>> Werewolf <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf>.  He has called
>>>>>>>> the LNC Chair Nick Sarwark "Nazi Nick," citing Nick's Jewish religion, then
>>>>>>>> blaming people "disingenuous political leaders like Nick Sarwark" for the
>>>>>>>> rise of the Nazi Party and ultimately the Holocaust.
>>>>>>>> <http://archive.is/EMZPY>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are some links which I will be referencing tonight at the
>>>>>>>> meeting:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/%3Cbr+/%3E>
>>>>>>>> https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists
>>>>>>>> http://libertarianheathen.com
>>>>>>>> http://archive.is/t5jC7
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bottom line, I am sick of seeing threats of violence against good
>>>>>>>> Libertarians, and others disassociating in disgust over the intimidation
>>>>>>>> tactics, dehumanization, and white supremacist rhetoric being employed by
>>>>>>>> leaders within our party.  If we allow one of our leaders to threaten our
>>>>>>>> membership while having the ability to stop it, voters and donors have no
>>>>>>>> reason to take our party seriously, as we clearly do not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The delegates very clearly gave us the ability to remove people
>>>>>>>> from the EC for violation of the non-aggression pledge.  Tonight we must
>>>>>>>> decide if we will take that task seriously or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>>>>> *Paul Stanton*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Folowup message: *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [          ]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Info about the 1930s German Nazi history book that Ryan Ramsey took
>>>>>>>> his meme from:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frankel: I can also attest to the threats coming from Ramsey, his
>>>>>>>> former close associate Augustus Invictus and others in their circle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back in April of this year, on a tip from IPR site owner Warren
>>>>>>>> Redlich, I published
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/police-report-augustus-invictus-accused-of-domestic-violence-sexual-assault-kidnapping/
>>>>>>>> detailing that Mr. Invictus' ex-fiancee made these very serious allegations
>>>>>>>> against him. I confirmed with the police department in question that the
>>>>>>>> referenced report had in fact been filed. I made no comment in the article
>>>>>>>> about the truth or falsehood of the allegations. Any comments of opinions I
>>>>>>>> made in the comment section on the same basis as any of our other readers
>>>>>>>> and clearly marked as opinion. Notably, the complaintant and associate of
>>>>>>>> hers also reported death threats at the time from Invictus and Ramsey, who
>>>>>>>> have since then (very recently) had a falling out. Witness tampering was
>>>>>>>> also one of the allegations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also *republished*
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/>
>>>>>>>> (note that the original and its website were taken down so the images no
>>>>>>>> longer appear; scroll down to see the section about Ryan Ramsey as the last
>>>>>>>> part of the article).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a response, 1) Augustus Invictus wrote me and Warren Redlich,
>>>>>>>> insinuating possible legal action and hinting at other forms of
>>>>>>>> retaliation; he later wrote another former associate of his, Raquel Okyay,
>>>>>>>> which was later forwarded to me, naming me as one of the people he plans to
>>>>>>>> take some form of unspecified revenge on.   2) Ryan Ramsey published two
>>>>>>>> articles filled with outright lies and slanderous fictions about me,
>>>>>>>> Redlich, and others alleging some grand conspiracy . You can find them at
>>>>>>>> libertarianheathen.com with a search for Frankel. Ramsey and his
>>>>>>>> associates continually spread this crap on FB and probably elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The slanderous lies from Ramsey were tit for tat retaliation – he
>>>>>>>> said so himself, and offered a reciprocal unpublishing – because I reported
>>>>>>>> the news that his then buddy Augustus Invictus, one of the Charlottesville
>>>>>>>> organizers, had been accused of a pattern of domestic violence, kidnapping
>>>>>>>> and rape by his ex-fiancee. I was simply reporting the news, not taking a
>>>>>>>> stance, except in the comments; and even there I was careful to separate
>>>>>>>> what I knew to be fact from my opinion and what others alleged.
>>>>>>>> Furthermore, I reposted accurate reporting about Ryan Ramsey and his
>>>>>>>> associates previously published elsewhere. His response was to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Publish lies about me, Warren Redlich and IPR, linked above
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Offer to take them down if we took down our own reporting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) Threaten to sic law enforcement on me for supposedly being a
>>>>>>>> terrorist and threatening his wife, none of which is even remotely true.
>>>>>>>> Specifically, he said he had contacted the Florida Department of Law
>>>>>>>> Enforcement electronic crimes division and was planning to meet with the
>>>>>>>> FBI and tell them that I am a terrorist (a preposterous lie) and that I
>>>>>>>> threatened his then pregnant wife (another absurd fiction).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4) His pal Invictus broached the possibility of suing us (but said
>>>>>>>> he wasn’t doing that, at least at that time)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5) Invictus later issued a non-specific threat against me and a few
>>>>>>>> other people saying we will “get what is coming to us.” Among many other
>>>>>>>> people he and his associates have threatened.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Ramsey’s article is in fact full of attacks, slander and lies.
>>>>>>>> Looking at just the headline alone: I am not editor in chief at IPR and in
>>>>>>>> fact there is no such position. I am not a terrorist, and that is a
>>>>>>>> slanderous claim. Moving beyond the headline I address numerous inaccurate
>>>>>>>> statements, slanders, libel and downright lies in Ramsey’s article in a
>>>>>>>> series of comments starting at
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189 and
>>>>>>>> continuing over a couple of dozen comments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To take one egregious example, Ramsey continually asserts that I
>>>>>>>> had something to do with killing a dog. I did not, and while he is not the
>>>>>>>> first person to spread this lie it is nevertheless a lie and he is not
>>>>>>>> repeating it as a statement by someone else but rather as something he
>>>>>>>> knows to be true, unlike the statements about him by others that I have
>>>>>>>> published. There are many similar falsehoods throughout the article which I
>>>>>>>> addressed in IPR comments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Others who have been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and friends
>>>>>>>> include *Tom Knapp *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1636145
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *"**To date, twice when the AI combination pity party / threat
>>>>>>>> machine got cranked up and I was involved in direct back and forth, I
>>>>>>>> escalated from Condition Yellow to Condition Orange. This involves, among
>>>>>>>> other things, making my family aware of a possible threat, ensuring that at
>>>>>>>> least one person in the household in addition to myself has a loaded
>>>>>>>> firearm near to hand at all times, and paying special attention to street
>>>>>>>> traffic in my neighborhood (which is very low traffic so anything unusual
>>>>>>>> stands out, and I have a nearby neighbor who knows to call if anything
>>>>>>>> looks suspicious as well). "*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frankel again) The email I was forwarded from Invictus says in part
>>>>>>>> *"**Stanton, Tesky, Wyllie, Marchetti, and Frankel **are all
>>>>>>>> directly responsible for that, because the babysitter called the police
>>>>>>>> based off the bullshit criminal allegations being pushed by those five. It
>>>>>>>> was the ‘news’ story that caused the babysitter to call the police. Fourth
>>>>>>>> and final: It never crossed my mind that Joe (Wendt) had anything to do
>>>>>>>> with that, but if I find out that he was involved with Stanton or Tesky or
>>>>>>>> Marchetti in pushing those criminal allegations, I will hang him with my
>>>>>>>> own fucking hands. That entire situation is something so outrageous that I
>>>>>>>> am not even discussing it. Each and every person who was involved or had
>>>>>>>> knowledge of it will get what is coming to them.**"*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And in fact, all of the people named, myself included, are among
>>>>>>>> many others who have reported being threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and
>>>>>>>> their circle of associates. Ramsey is still neck deep in it even now that
>>>>>>>> Invictus has become a Republican.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ramsey is allegedly gloating about Stanton's resignation in these
>>>>>>>> facebook groups, among others:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kekistan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Right Way: No Cucks, Only Kek
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Republic of Kekistan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @The Deplorables and Basement Dwellers for Trump
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anti-SJW
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anti-SJW Pinochet's Beach Party
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ex-fiancee of Invictus, Ms. Rice, and her friend Ms. Brown
>>>>>>>> along with others they knew also reported being threatened and intimidated
>>>>>>>> by Invictus, Ramsey et al.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-us-senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-principles-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Libertarian Party Candidate for U.S. Senate, Joe Wendt, condemns
>>>>>>>> LPF Chair, Marcos Miralles, for pursuing a policy that promotes white
>>>>>>>> nationalists within the Libertarian Party of Florida. “Mr. Miralles has
>>>>>>>> appointed known white nationalists to leadership positions.”*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *...*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *“I have been threatened with physical violence by white
>>>>>>>> nationalist supporters of Miralles,” said Wendt. “*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://goog_1698321734/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/
>>>>>>>> see embedded links in original"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We are losing good members, and the trust of the public, due to
>>>>>>>> the elevation of leaders in extremist hate groups to our party leadership.
>>>>>>>> We need a new approach.  Local libertarian-leaning politicians and voters
>>>>>>>> associate us with far-right extremists.  As of yesterday, my county no
>>>>>>>> longer has a full slate of candidates for the Florida House.   One of the
>>>>>>>> Libertarian candidates I drafted will now unfortunately be running NPA.
>>>>>>>> Yesterday, we also lost our incoming Rules Committee chair.  Previously,
>>>>>>>> both our former gubernatorial nominee and our senatorial nominee (prior to
>>>>>>>> me) have resigned their LPF memberships, among countless other Libertarian
>>>>>>>> activists and volunteers.  A member of my 2016 Senate campaign ended her
>>>>>>>> participation with the party, because her employer forbids associations
>>>>>>>> with members of extremist hate groups advocating for violence. A single
>>>>>>>> friend (who ceased her participation after receiving death threats) has
>>>>>>>> reported that no fewer than 30 of her acquaintances have withdrawn from
>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party activism due to risks to themselves and their
>>>>>>>> reputations.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *During my US Senate campaign, I never expected the situation that
>>>>>>>> unfolded.  I expected the personal attacks, but I never expected racist
>>>>>>>> fantasies about my mother, posting of personal information about members of
>>>>>>>> my family, or the violent threats and sexual harassment targeting my
>>>>>>>> supporters and members of my campaign.  Last month, after I introduced a
>>>>>>>> motion (which was killed) to remove Florida’s member of the Libertarian
>>>>>>>> Party Platform Committee for his racist statements
>>>>>>>> <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white#.22The_mantra.22>,
>>>>>>>> I was accused of wanting to kill all white people, in a “white genocide
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory>”
>>>>>>>> conspiracy theory.  And now today, there have been threats that
>>>>>>>> the militant <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Odin> hate
>>>>>>>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/who-are-the-american-guard-patriotic-nationalists-or-skinheads-in-disguise> group
>>>>>>>> <https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/18/heathen-know-nothings-the-american-guard/> the
>>>>>>>> <http://forward.com/fast-forward/368055/white-supremacists-and-skinheads-join-pro-trump-rally/> American
>>>>>>>> Guard
>>>>>>>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>may
>>>>>>>> be waiting for me in the parking lot, or harassing county party meetings.
>>>>>>>> We must have higher standards for our party leadership!*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics among white
>>>>>>>> nationalists, and there are several other victims throughout Florida.  This
>>>>>>>> behavior cannot be accepted.  We cannot continue to elevate these people.
>>>>>>>> Libertarianism stands for maximum freedom for everyone, universally. We
>>>>>>>> dishonor ourselves and our party by enabling liars with wildly divergent
>>>>>>>> philosophies, who stand immediately adjacent to neo-Nazis
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_(United_States)>, white
>>>>>>>> nationalists
>>>>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/vinlanders-social-club>, fascists
>>>>>>>> <https://johnmhudak.com/2017/07/16/rise-of-the-anarcho-statists-part-iii-augustus-sol-invictus-the-unconquerable-sun-god/>,organized
>>>>>>>> criminal syndicates
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaws_Motorcycle_Club>, and domestic
>>>>>>>> terrorists <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Front>.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From the comments:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1.     *Starchild <http://www.openborders.info/>**July 22, 2017 at
>>>>>>>> 09:26*
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634719>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Joe, do you know which individuals were shouting “white power” at
>>>>>>>> the state convention? Is there video evidence of this? I would hope those
>>>>>>>> individuals are identified and ostracized, and that other Libertarians will
>>>>>>>> make clear to them that there is no room for such racism in the LP. That is
>>>>>>>> not what we are about. If individuals who seek to act in such a manner
>>>>>>>> leave the party, that is not a loss for us but a gain.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3.     *Joe Wendt**July 22, 2017 at 12:10*
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634766>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Starchild,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *The individuals in question are supports of the current LPF Chair.
>>>>>>>> Although Augustus Invictus, the most prominent of the White Nationalists,
>>>>>>>> has left the party, unfortunately other less prominent White Nationalists
>>>>>>>> are not [only -p] remaining active in the LPF, the Chair is actually giving
>>>>>>>> them positions of authority.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Screenshot of Ramsey threatening to knock Wendt’s teeth out and
>>>>>>>> saying he may have an “accident”*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/received_10159060778305274.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at
>>>>>>>> 12:04
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635134>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, it’s not about Joe.* Yes Ramsey threatened Joe, but he also
>>>>>>>> threatened many other people, as has Invictus and their other buddies.
>>>>>>>> There are numerous sources for that, including me. *Yes, Ramsey
>>>>>>>> has spread bullshit about me. I think he is still doing it although I
>>>>>>>> haven’t checked lately. Did he know it to be false or did he just repeat
>>>>>>>> what other people said? Well, he couldn’t have known it to be true since it
>>>>>>>> was not true and he did not say “so and so says” he just repeated things as
>>>>>>>> if they were facts and added new ones such as the bullshit about me being a
>>>>>>>> terrorist and member of a terrorist groups and the bullshit about me making
>>>>>>>> threats against his wife. And again, *these are just examples just
>>>>>>>> as the other examples in Stanton’s article are only examples.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *The real issue is that there is an ongoing pattern as reported by
>>>>>>>> many different people of Invictus, Ramsey and their circle of friends
>>>>>>>> issuing threats, spreading lies .. to and about many different people ..
>>>>>>>> and maintaining ongoing close associations with multiple white supremacist
>>>>>>>> groups and violent groups and individuals.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Ramsey says “You were awful meek last night punk. Ill see you soon
>>>>>>>> though and well see how mouthy you are”* which is clearly physical
>>>>>>>> intimidation. Joe is talking shit on the internet but Ramsey says he will
>>>>>>>> not do it in person. Why not? Clearly due to threat of physical violence.
>>>>>>>> Ramsey follows this up with *“Id be more concerned with the teeth
>>>>>>>> in your mouth at this point joe. Your dental plan good?” *which in
>>>>>>>> the context of his earlier statement is not exactly a very veiled threat.
>>>>>>>> If he was genuinely concerned about Joe slipping and falling due to being
>>>>>>>> drunk, which is laughable in the context of the conversation, he would not
>>>>>>>> have made the threat so specific.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the larger context of course is that there have been many other
>>>>>>>> threats, to many other people, myself as well as this publication (IPR)
>>>>>>>> included.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe WendtJuly 23, 2017 at 13:55
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635174>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *To Andy,*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *I have contacted the police. Since it has not progressed beyond
>>>>>>>> Facebook, they told me to block him and contact them again if he continues
>>>>>>>> the harassing and threatening behavior. They will be called if he threatens
>>>>>>>> me again.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at
>>>>>>>> 14:19
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635179>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Also, if all of these if all of these violent threats have been
>>>>>>>> made, why hasn’t anyone gone to jail? Has anyone even gotten a restraining
>>>>>>>> order?*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don’t be naive. Threats are not always made in a verifiable,
>>>>>>>> provable form. I’ve received plenty of threats over the years, including
>>>>>>>> death threats, and I have never felt the urge to go to the cops about it.
>>>>>>>> What the fuck are they going to do? While they conduct their half assed
>>>>>>>> investigation I may get killed or injured or whatever else. Or someone else
>>>>>>>> around me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And one of the people that has been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey
>>>>>>>> and friends made a good point. This person said that Ramsey has known
>>>>>>>> contacts in law enforcement and that there are known ties between many
>>>>>>>> members of law enforcement and white supremacist groups such as the ones
>>>>>>>> Ramsey and Invictus have a lot of ties to. So reporting anything to law
>>>>>>>> enforcement may actually be cutting your own throat if you get threatened
>>>>>>>> by these assholes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FL: Augustus Invictus campaigns in front of white nationalist
>>>>>>>> skinhead music banner
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>>>>>>>> Note: Ramsey also frequently associates with that same banner to this day.
>>>>>>>> "Rock Against Communism" may sound like something that libertarians would
>>>>>>>> agree with, but in reality it's a well-known neo-nazi front organization
>>>>>>>> that no "former" white supremacist (as Ramsey claims to be) would have any
>>>>>>>> association with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *The Rock Against Communism movement originated in the **United
>>>>>>>> Kingdom <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>** in late
>>>>>>>> 1978 with **far right <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right>** activists
>>>>>>>> associated with the **National Front
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Front>** (NF).**[4]
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** It
>>>>>>>> was intended to counter the **Rock Against Racism
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism>*
>>>>>>>> * organisation.**[4]
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** The
>>>>>>>> first RAC concert was in **Leeds
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds>**, **England
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>** in 1978, featuring the **Nazi
>>>>>>>> punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk>** bands The
>>>>>>>> Dentists and The Ventz.**[5]
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-5>** RAC
>>>>>>>> held one concert in 1979 and another in spring 1983, which was headlined
>>>>>>>> by **Skrewdriver <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>**, a **white
>>>>>>>> power rock <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock>** band
>>>>>>>> led by **Ian Stuart Donaldson
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stuart_Donaldson>**. After
>>>>>>>> that, RAC concerts were held more often. They were often headlined by
>>>>>>>> Skrewdriver and featured other white power bands, such as **Skullhead
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skullhead>** and **No Remorse
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_(band)>**. In the
>>>>>>>> mid-1980s, summer concerts were often held at the **Suffolk
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk>** home of **Edgar Griffin
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Griffin>**, a **Conservative
>>>>>>>> Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)>*
>>>>>>>> * activist**[6]
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-6>** and
>>>>>>>> father of **Nick Griffin
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin>**, an NF organiser
>>>>>>>> who later became the national chair of the **British National
>>>>>>>> Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party>**. By
>>>>>>>> the late 1980s, the RAC name had given way to the White Noise Club (another
>>>>>>>> NF-based group), and later **Blood and Honour
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Honour>**, which was set
>>>>>>>> up by **Donaldson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson>** when
>>>>>>>> they fell out with the NF leadership.**[4]
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>*
>>>>>>>> * As **hardcore punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk>** music
>>>>>>>> became more popular in the 1990s and 2000s, many white power bands took on
>>>>>>>> a more hardcore-influenced sound.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that Ryan Ramsey continues to proudly wave the "Rock against
>>>>>>>> communism" banner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton: ‘LP conventions, avoid alt-right / white supremacist
>>>>>>>> event speakers’
>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More background:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-brown-response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-rape-assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-against-augustus-invictus/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-augustus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-censure-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-colborne-augustus-sol-invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-going-to-shut-it-down/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-lp-of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-lp-florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/
>>>>>>>>  :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Marcos Miralles began his race for Chair of the LPF with the
>>>>>>>> support of Augustus Sol Invictus
>>>>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/augustus-sol-invictus-austin-gillespie>**and
>>>>>>>> Ryan Ramsey, both leaders in white supremacist groups, including the
>>>>>>>> American Guard
>>>>>>>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>**.
>>>>>>>>  (The American Guard was one of the groups present in Charlottesville last
>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/indiana-american-guard-among-protestors-at-charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally>**)
>>>>>>>>  Invictus was also a featured speaker at the Charlottesville white
>>>>>>>> supremacist rally.
>>>>>>>> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-augustus-invictus-charlottesville-20170814-story.html>**  The
>>>>>>>> support has not been one-sided.  Last year, Marcos Miralles provided a town
>>>>>>>> hall for Invictus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article97524342.html>** (as
>>>>>>>> part of a campaign to stir up drama during the primary), the pictures from
>>>>>>>> which are still used by the Miami Herald to associate our party with
>>>>>>>> Invictus <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article167083427.html>**.
>>>>>>>> Additionally, he proudly displayed Ryan Ramsey’s endorsement on his website
>>>>>>>> and appointed Ryan Ramsey <https://docs.lpf.org/meeting/july-16th-2017/>** to
>>>>>>>> our Legislative Review Committee.  There is no place for white supremacy in
>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party of Florida.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Thankfully, there was a recent press release
>>>>>>>> <https://lpf.org/2017/08/libertarian-party-florida-first-strongest-voice-hate-filled-groups/> condemning
>>>>>>>> the events in Charlottesville.  Unfortunately, Marcos Miralles has refused
>>>>>>>> to condemn the white supremacists within our party, or recant his previous
>>>>>>>> support.  Instead, he insists that he will “work with everybody” and has
>>>>>>>> dismissed worries about white supremacists using our party to support their
>>>>>>>> platform as “non sense,” despite the support of the previously-mentioned
>>>>>>>> Libertarians, and despite the Libertarian Party of Florida’s representative
>>>>>>>> to the Libertarian Party platform committee, Frank Caprio.  Caprio
>>>>>>>> regularly makes very racist comments, including quotes white
>>>>>>>> supremacist Bob Whitaker
>>>>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died>.
>>>>>>>> I physically cringed when I read Marcos write: “The Libertarian Party of
>>>>>>>> Florida will forever remain the safest home for all of those that fight for
>>>>>>>> civil rights.”  As one of the Libertarian victims of violent threats and
>>>>>>>> harassment (a Muslim mother of biracial children) stated, “The Libertarian
>>>>>>>> Party was not a safe haven for me and many others like me.  It should be,
>>>>>>>> by principle. […] But that’s not the present day reality.”  Sadly, she
>>>>>>>> ended her participation with the party after concerns with the safety of
>>>>>>>> her family. When she reached out to Miralles, she was ignored and blocked
>>>>>>>> on social media.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *There were people yelling white power. Larry Sharpe went on an
>>>>>>>> alt-right vlog by Ryan Ramsey called the Mad American Network. That group
>>>>>>>> was with Invictus in Harrisburg, PA and at least one member, Dave Martel,
>>>>>>>> was seen sieg heiling there. Invictus chased someone out of a courtesy
>>>>>>>> suite with threats of violence. Invictus was then pushing Paul Stanton
>>>>>>>> trying to pick a fight. There was loud applause of his speech where he
>>>>>>>> hijacked our convention for five minutes, then just bragged about it…*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *…our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a privileged
>>>>>>>> motion, so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration platform plank
>>>>>>>> without letting it be read.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee
>>>>>>>> to a “constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code
>>>>>>>> for anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando
>>>>>>>> area, same as Invictus -p).*
>>>>>>>> *Oh, and by the way – no pretend antifa protesters showed up, of
>>>>>>>> course.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-socialists-and-antifa/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-physically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-inhospitable-to-the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure that's more than enough for now, but there's plenty more.
>>>>>>>> Feel free to email or call 205-534-1622 <(205)%20534-1622> to
>>>>>>>> discuss, and forward wherever or whenever you wish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul Frankel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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