[Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
Daniel Hayes
danielehayes at icloud.com
Fri Oct 27 16:10:17 EDT 2017
That article is the best thing I have read on this topic.
Daniel
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> On Oct 27, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Go to this article:
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>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 1:10 PM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wes, regardless of whether Invictus and his poorly chosen colleagues were bullied, physical threats are not to be tolerated. Note that I am not threatening that misguided cartel with physical violence. What I am saying as one individual is that if they will not listen to reason and will not cease and desist their immoral behavior, I will identify their behavior for what it is and refuse to deal with them economically and socially.
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>> That is how Rosa Parks and her friends dealt rather effectively with bullying. She sat an example of peaceful civil disobedience that eventually succeeded through voluntary economic boycott ostracism.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2017 1:54 PM, "David Demarest" <dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 😀 - and the world is a far better place because you are not silent!
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2017 1:46 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Absolutely not.
>>>
>>> Strong opposition is not bullying.
>>>
>>> And is not relevant here. AI could have been the most persecuted person the world and this situation would still be a problem.
>>>
>>> I'm not particularly interested in what about thus, what about this, what about this.
>>>
>>> Libertarians are often so loathe to judge anything that we become complicit in harms done to people in weaker positions.
>>>
>>> We must stop that if we are going to model a free world in which the many are not lambs to the slaughter.
>>>
>>> I find it interesting that the discussions keeps turning to me. It's not relevant. And only serves to have others who say "well crap I don't want to deal with that" silent. My many faults don't include being silent.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:38 PM Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>
>>>> I've often felt that Augustus Invictus was bullied by libertarians. Do you think he was bullied?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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>>>>> On 10/27/2017 2:31 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>> Prediction: those who speak out here will be targeted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keeps others from speaking out.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:24 PM David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I agree that there are limits to what the LNC can do in this matter. What the LNC can do is inspire and empower individual Libertarians to be fully informed with a full set of principles and accurate facts so they individually use voluntary economic and social ostracism in an appropriate, just and effective manner to deal with thinly-disguised authoritarian threats exemplified by the nonsense in Florida.
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>>>>>> Physical threats are a serious matter that cuts to the core of what Libertarianism stands for. Political correctness and ridicule of those who take a stand against bigotry is not a principled answer.
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>>>>>> Regardless, threats or no threats, memes or no memes, I will speak out at every opportunity against mindless bigotry that goes hand-in-hand with authoritarianism and nationalism, as I am doing now. We all have a choice on how we deal with ethno-nationalism. I hope for the sake of the LP and the Libertarian movement that we individual Libertarians choose wisely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2017 12:52 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Larry I don't disagree with you. That has been my position. And unless we want to disaffiliate it's like pulling a gun. Don't do that unless you intend to shoot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just wanted to be clear that I've been reading material, also comparing it with my past experiences, and then that "response" by Ramsey and I'm not buying that there isn't a problem. What gets done must be spearheaded by Florida Libertarians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not fooled IOW. And honestly I came to the realization of how toxic this may be, particularly to women in the Party, who would leave silently. I asked myself if I would stick around that. The answer is not an unequivocal yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I stand by my comments that there is a bullying and threatening issue with the far left as well. There was a threat to bring ANTIFA to our convention. There is condemnation of the idea of property ownership and we don't have to look too far into history to see where that leads. And violence has been discussed. I see it too. And believe we have a shameful reluctance to call that what it is. It's not a matter of equivalency or comparing thresholds of damage. It's about defending libertarian ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact is that these two sides feed on each other. The existence of one gives the other propaganda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We must continue to keep on the northward libertarian route.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But make no mistake- there IS an ethno-nationalist issue in Florida.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read Ramsey's response. If you do not see manipulative gas lighting then you lack discernment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If all we can do is personally say to those complaining- yes I see what you are saying. You are not imagining things- that is valuable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are a limited power body. We can resist the urge to think we can or should intervene in everything. But that does not mean not seeing the thing. I see it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:32 AM Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sagely spoken once again my friend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My two cents,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed and Steven both say leave it alone. So, leave it alone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They may be wrong, but the odds of them being wrong are far lower than the odds of our meddling making things worse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2017 12:22, "David Demarest" <dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Caryn Ann, there sure is a lot of smoke in Florida. It is time to stop pooh-poohing this thinly-disguised bigotry, ethno-nationalism and power-grab threat to both Florida and national Libertarianism; stop sweeping it under the rug and take a serious look at the matter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Disagreements on the application of the NAP, while a serious matter, are understandable. Disagreements on mindless bigotry and ethno-nationalism, however, will be a malignant cancer on the LP and Libertarian movement if not addressed promptly and assertively.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I reiterate, not tolerating intolerance is NOT bigotry. Tolerance in defense of intolerance is a VICE. This should be a no-brainer to all Libertarians. Bigots and ethno-nationalist power-grabbers must not be part of our target market. They will only use us to achieve their nefarious goals that will undermine our credibility. Like Wes and Nick, I ask pseudo-Libertarians who think otherwise to promptly take their political business elsewhere.
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>>>>>>>>>> We can follow the lead of Nick and Wes and use the tool of voluntary individual economic and social ostracism to bring this insidious threat to a screeching halt. Disaffiliation, while a last resort, can be an effective institutional tool of economic and social ostracism, fully consistent with even a strict interpretation of the NAP, to effectively deal with this potentially lethal threat to Libertarianism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is time to clean this mindless evil out of the LP and Libertarian movement before it gets out of control, impacts our political agenda and undermines our heroic goal of freedom, nothing more, nothing less.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2017 9:29 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just read a "response" by Ryan Ramsey and it has all the marks of an aggressive gas lighting campaign. After I read that letter, my "knower" knew that there are too many testimonies that ring true. There is a very manipulative game going on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is definitely something very toxic going on in Florida. I am going to be speaking to my Region 1 Chairs about this as I make my quarterly conferences with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:52 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is clear evidence of (1) a current Florida LP state-level official making clearly racist statements, or clear and credible threats of violence, and (2) the Florida LP leadership being aware of this and taking no action whatsoever to condemn it or distance the Florida LP from it, I think perhaps a letter of concern from the LNC would be in order. If the Florida LP leadership offered no reasonable response to such a letter and continued to not take any remedial action, especially if it became clear that this was part of a pattern of ignoring racism or serious Non-Aggression Principle violations from state leaders, then I would be ready to entertain a motion to disaffiliate.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> But – and I confess I have not read all the links and background on this – I'm not sure even the first condition stated above has been met. My personal belief is that Ryan Ramsey likely does hold bigoted white supremacist type views, but while the the evidence for this may be cumulatively compelling (walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.), it also seems to be largely circumstantial. I looked at the American Guard website for instance, and didn't find a "smoking gun" of explicitly racist material. Now I do think Ramsey's comments about LP chair Nick Sarwark are reprehensible and without merit. A sample (more at http://archive.is/EMZPY#selection-233.0-233.110):
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "Nick Sarwark, National Chairman of the Libertarian Party, is the poster boy for the Cultural Marxist idiocy that keeps us relegated to single digit election returns... Any question as to whether Mr. Sarwark was a lover of liberty, or a Cultural Marxist attempting to hold back the advance of the Libertarian Party, were answered when he made national news repeating lies about Milo Yiannopoulos, subject of the violence in Berkley, when he insinuated bloodshed to stop free speech was 'understandable'... For those who did not attend the National Convention last spring in Orlando, let me tell you how Nick Sarwark was re-elected as LP Chairman. He collected a group of loyalists around himself to feign running as opposition. Then at the last minute, on the Convention floor, they dropped their candidacy and threw their support to the man trying to do the Weimar Republic over, as if the Communists will win this time. This is why many are starting to refer to him as 'Nazi Nick', despite his Jewish religion. His ignorance of history is astounding, especially considering his heritage. It is an ignorance common among the products of compulsory government education camps, but unacceptable for anyone wishing to lead the third largest political party in the greatest nation on the planet. The smug manner in which the leftist infection tries to paint President Trump as Hitler is the crowning jewel of their ignorance. It is time for a quick history lesson on Germany prior to World War Two. Trump is not Hitler, but people like Sarwark are ushering the next Hitler in... Behold Nick Sarwark, who claims to lead the party of individual freedom, as he ushers his own Jewish people toward the boxcars. Nazi Nick, the ultimate in self hatred."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if the rumor about Milo Yiannopoulis planning to "out" undocumented students during his speech at UC Berkeley, which Yiannopoulis ultimately did not do and denied intending to do, was false – I'm not sure it was; I wouldn't be surprised if Yiannopoulis, via associates, was the source of the rumor, even if he never intended to carry out any such action – the point is that if student protesters heard the rumor and sincerely believed it, there's an argument to be made that their use of violence to stop him from speaking arguably was, to the best of their knowledge at the time, a legitimate defensive measure designed to prevent people being forcibly kidnapped and deported by the State. I'm not sure Nick intended to go that far; the word "understandable" as he used it is somewhat ambiguous and does not necessarily imply approval.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, any LP member whose views are so badly skewed as to publish a written public article condemning as solidly libertarian a party leader as the current LP national chair as a "cultural Marxist" and among those who is "usher(ing) his own Jewish people toward the boxcars", is not somebody I personally want serving in the party leadership. Coupled with the threats that Paul Stanton and Paul Frankel report Ramsey making against them and against members of Stanton's family, and Ramsey's connections to groups like Rock Against Communism and the American Guard, if I sat on the Florida LP Executive Committee and had been voting, I believe I would have voted to remove Ramsey from that body if such action is consistent with the Florida LP's bylaws. But I don't know whether there was a bylaws issue, or why the ExCom majority voted down Paul Stanton's motion for removal. My suspicion that they may have made what I believe to be a bad decision isn't enough for me to support the LNC formally weighing in or taking action vis-a-vis the Florida LP, short of the conditions I describe in the first paragraph above being met. Short of removal, I don't know what other steps, if any, they have taken, or may yet take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But if the LNC does not make any direct formal response to the Florida situation, this still leaves the question of what else we can do with regard to the broader issue of ethno-nationalism seeping into the Libertarian Party. It's been pointed out that the LNC has recently issued a strong statement against racism and bigotry; the value of issuing another such statement at this time seems dubious. However while we've recently addressed the "ethno" aspect of the ethno-nationalist problem, I don't think we've adequately addressed nationalism, which is much more pervasive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nationalism is itself, I believe, a form of bigotry akin to racism. It is an anti-individualist philosophy which, translated into government policy, results in virtually every national government in the world wrongfully discriminating against people on the basis of innate characteristics beyond their control (where they were born or who their parents were). It also tends to lead people to take un-libertarian positions, such as being willing to initiate force against immigrants, supporting protectionism, and accepting various rights violations in the name of "national security". Nationalism can also serve as a cover for racism, because nationalist and racist views often dovetail when it comes to issues like immigration, racial profiling in the name of "national security", the U.S. government killing people in other countries, etc. But despite being as repugnant as racism, nationalism has so far largely gotten a pass from society including from many (L)ibertarians. If we are serious about discouraging the sort of views that are disrupting the Florida LP, the LNC issuing a strong statement against nationalism seems like a very good idea, and I would support such a resolution. I think we should also pay more attention to how our messaging and other practices (e.g. use of the American flag) can subtly legitimize and reinforce nationalism in the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>>>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Ken. And the RR from that area gave their input. I can tell you no Region 1 state would welcome this interference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So pre-empttively since we seem so eager to get involved in affiliates - this RR says don't mess with Region 1 states. They handle their own business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping Oregon gets on mended terms with National. This isn't the way to show states we learned our lesson from that mess. Their Board voted and unless we think the whole of that leadership are secret nazis then we have no right or authority to be second-guessing their decision for their state.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> I routinely get complaints about such and such going on here and there. I listen, tell them their rights, and say it is for their state to handle. Wes brilliant release said what we needed to. I wish we would say the same to the violent left. Violence against persons and property is unacceptable. Bigotry and identity collectivism of all kinds is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Ken Moellman <ken at moellman.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A disaffiliation motion is way too extreme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the statement made by either Wes or Nick - I forget who made it - about racism and whatnot being not welcome in the party was enough from LP National. Disaffiliation would take a serious infraction, IMO. That a party has internal issues is nothing new and nothing to get involved with.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:19 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that a disaffiliation investigation motion would open a can of worms. Perhaps the existing motion calling for a resolution is the wiser choice. However, it is a catch-22. How can we justify the resolution if we do not do the necessary due diligence investigation?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Katz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to both Steven, Paul Frankel, and Tom Knapp for inserting much-needed facts into this discussion. In light of these facts, I think vigilance is called for, but do not think it is appropriate, at this time, to make a relevant motion.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will note, without getting into the weeds, that while I won't quibble with facts alleged about Florida, I would disagree with some of the statements made about certain national groups, or in other ways about the dangerous movement we face. I think they are more dangerous than they've been described here, and while in the past I considered them individually dangerous, I now consider them to be an organizational threat - and a threat to the modern world which made freedom possible. (Murray Rothbard pointed out, in 1965, that freedom was made possible by the overthrow of the Ancien Regime, and I think the pre-modern thinking on the right, and the post-modern thinking on the left, are both creating an environment where it can return.) I consider them, at the moment, the most immediate threat to freedom in our culture, since they have organized and gone beyond being individual cranks - they now are making moves on the world of ideas, which controls the rest. And remember that far too many people associate us with them. The Charlottesville morons (if it brings them any comfort, I think I speak on behalf of all Jews when I say that none of us desire to be mouth-breathing bigots carrying tiki torches, so their fears about us replacing them are misplaced) used a banner which was based on the Albany Plan of Union banner - and one of the snake pieces was labeled L.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, as concerns Florida, I think the analysis is pretty straightforward, although the determinations are not. Is there a problem? I am convinced there is, and I am convinced we should not ignore it and blind ourselves to it. Another party tried that approach, as well as "well, we'll bring them along for their votes on the things we agree about," and now is largely unable to get candidates who actually favor its basic ideas through primaries. The next question, the crucial question, is - can the affiliate fix it? (A related, but somewhat different question, is whether it wants to.) I think the answer to that is yes. There is, of course, a tipping point - a point where rather than try to fix the problem, good people simply leave, and the ability to fix the problem goes away. And good people are, it seems clear to me, leaving. I still do not think the tipping point has been reached, though.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At-Large Representative,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <travellingcircus at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>, Independent Political Report <independent-political-report at googlegroups.com>, "iprtwo at googlegroups.com" <iprtwo at googlegroups.com>, erin.adams at lp.org, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>, Joshua Katz <joshua.katz at lp.org>, David Demarest <David.Demarest at lp.org>, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>, Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com>, Steven Nekhaila <Steven.Nekhaila at gmail.com>, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>, Paul Stanton <paul at stanton.name>
>>>
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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