[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-19 : Yemen Resolution

Tue Oct 31 23:20:57 EDT 2017

If I were in a legislature and my vote would do something, I would.

That isn't the case and if we're going to take the time to say something I
want it "radically" Libertarian.  (In the sense of sticking hard to
principles). I will not kowtow to the "war on terror."  I cannot.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:44 PM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> I change my vote on this measure to *yes*.
>
> Given the presumed deadline involved, and that we might not manage to pass
> anything at all on this topic if this resolution is voted down and people
> feel it's "too late" to craft a better version, I think the most
> pro-freedom course of action in this case is to support it, imperfect
> though the language is.
>
> In the future – or if this resolution fails to pass – I would suggest that
> this kind of time-sensitive matter is where the Executive Committee could
> play a useful role (in this case to vote on and hopefully pass a version of
> the resolution amended to reflect the concerns that several of us have
> voiced). Sometimes in the past it has been used to make decisions where
> there was no fast-approaching deadline and where matters could and should
> have been left to the full LNC, rather than disenfranchising the larger
> body. But when we have a congressional vote a couple days away and no time
> for another 10-day LNC voting window, that's a time when I think it would
> be legitimate for a matter to be "kicked upstairs" to a smaller group, in
> order to get something out by an external deadline.
>
> I encourage others who voted no to consider likewise changing your votes
> so that the Libertarian voice for reducing overseas U.S. government
> militarism can be heard on this matter before Congress.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                         RealReform at earthlink.net
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>                                   @StarchildSF
>
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Starchild wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> The problem is that House Concurrent Resolution 81, which we are being
> asked to endorse, states (in part), *"Congress hereby directs the
> President to remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the
> Republic of Yemen, except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations
> directed at Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces"*
> (boldface emphasis added).
>
> If HCR 81 simply stated, "*Congress hereby directs the President to
> remove United States Armed Forces from participation in the conflict
> between Saudi-lead forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen", *our
> unqualified support would be in order.
>
> The bottom line language of the resolution we're being asked to approve
> reads as follows, *"Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports
> H.Con.Res. 81 in accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party
> Platform, but advises complete removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the
> Republic of Yemen". *There is *some* dissociation there, but only just
> barely. The term "advises" is excessively mild. I would suggest the
> following substitute language:
>
> *"In accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, the
> LNC supports House Concurrent Resolution 81 as being on balance a step in
> the right direction, but explicitly rejects HCR 81's tacit support for a
> continued U.S. government military presence opposing Al Qaeda in Yemen."*
>
> Would you be willing to vote no on the current measure and reintroduce the
> resolution with the language suggested above?
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                         RealReform at earthlink.net
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>                                   @StarchildSF
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Jared Labell wrote:
>
> Abolutely, Starchild. Thank you!
>
> HCR 81 can be found here:
> https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/81/text
>
> The exact text is pasted below:
>
> *H. CON. RES. 81*
>
>
> Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
> Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized
> hostilities in the Republic of Yemen.
> ------------------------------
>
> IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
>
> September 27, 2017
> Mr. Khanna (for himself, Mr. Massie, Mr. Pocan, and Mr. Jones) submitted
> the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on
> Foreign Affairs
> ------------------------------
>
> *CONCURRENT RESOLUTION*
> Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
> Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized
> hostilities in the Republic of Yemen.
> *Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring),*
> *SECTION 1.* *REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM HOSTILITIES IN
> THE REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS.*
> (a) Findings.—Congress finds the following:
> (1) Congress has the sole power to declare war under article I, section 8,
> of the Constitution.
> (2) A state of war has not been declared to exist with respect to the
> conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates
> against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen.
> (3) United States Armed Forces have been involved in hostilities between
> Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance, including through assisting
> Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes conducting aerial bombings in
> Yemen with selecting targets and by providing midair refueling services to
> such warplanes, amounting to millions of pounds of jet fuel delivered
> during thousands of Saudi and United Arab Emirates airstrikes.
> (4) According to the Department of State’s Country Reports on Terrorism
> 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance
> is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United States to pursue Al
> Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization for the Use of
> Military Force (Public Law 107–40
> <https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ40/pdf/PLAW-107publ40.pdf>; 50
> U.S.C. 1541
> <http://uscode.house.gov/quicksearch/get.plx?title=50&section=1541> note).
> (5) No authorization for the use of United States Armed Forces with
> respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh
> alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law authorizes the
> provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi Arabia or the
> United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict.
> (6) The conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance in
> Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section 4(a)(1) of the War Powers
> Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)
> <http://uscode.house.gov/quicksearch/get.plx?title=50&section=1543>),
> either hostilities or a situation where imminent involvement in hostilities
> is clearly indicated by the circumstances into which United States Armed
> Forces have been introduced.
> (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
> Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)
> <http://uscode.house.gov/quicksearch/get.plx?title=50&section=1544>),
> Congress hereby directs the President to remove United States Armed Forces
> from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen, except United States Armed
> Forces engaged in operations directed at Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula
> or associated forces, by not later than the date that is 30 days after the
> date of the adoption of this concurrent resolution (unless the President
> requests and the Congress authorizes a later date), and unless and until a
> declaration of war or specific authorization for such use of United States
> Armed Forces has been enacted.
>
>
>
> *Jared Labell*
> *Executive Director*
> *The Libertarian Institute*libertarianinstitute.org
> *abolitionist.*
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> 312-257-8525 <%28312%29%20257-8525> office
>
> *Peace and free markets.Against the State, its wars, and its taxes.*
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> The United States military is helping Saudi Arabia fight a civil war
> in Yemen, committing war crimes at American taxpayer expense and with
> the assistance of the American military. Our platform and our party
> clearly oppose this. It is true that we oppose so much more military
> interventionism than that which is the subject of H.Con.Res. 81,
> including that arguably covered by the existing Authorization for the
> Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note), but
> H.Con.Res. 81 is what will come up for a vote in the Congress in just
> a few short days.
>
> I vote yes.
>
> -Nick
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
>
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2017 at 11:59:59pm
>
> Pacific time.  Trick or Treat!!
>
>
> Co-Sponsor:  Sarwark
>
>
> Motion:  That the LNC adopt the following resolution:
>
>
> --------------------Resolution Text--------------------
>
>
> A Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent Resolution
>
> 81
>
>
> Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
>
> Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized
>
> hostilities in the Republic of Yemen.
>
>
> Resolved by the Libertarian National Committee (LNC)
>
>
> SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM HOSTILITIES IN THE
>
> REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS.
>
>
> (a) Findings ––The Libertarian National Committee agrees with Congress and
>
> finds the following:
>
>
> (1) Whereas, Congress has the sole power to declare war under article I,
>
> section 8, of the Constitution.
>
>
> (2) Whereas, a state of war has not been declared to exist with respect to
>
> the conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab
> Emirates
>
> against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen.
>
>
> (3) Whereas, United States Armed Forces have been involved in hostilities
>
> between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance, including through
>
> assisting Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes conducting aerial
>
> bombings in Yemen with selecting targets and by providing midair refueling
>
> services to such warplanes, amounting to millions of pounds of jet fuel
>
> delivered during thousands of Saudi and United Arab Emirates airstrikes.
>
>
> (4) Whereas, according to the Department of State’s Country Reports on
>
> Terrorism 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh
>
> alliance is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United States to
>
> pursue Al Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization for the
>
> Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note).
>
>
> (5) Whereas, no authorization for the use of United States Armed Forces
> with
>
> respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh
>
> alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law authorizes the
>
> provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi Arabia or the
>
> United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict.
>
>
> (6) Whereas, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh
>
> alliance in Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section 4(a)(1) of the
>
> War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)), either hostilities or a
>
> situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by
>
> the circumstances into which United States Armed Forces have been
>
> introduced.
>
>
> Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports H.Con.Res. 81 in accordance
> with
>
> section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, but advises complete removal
>
> of U.S. Armed Forces from the Republic of Yemen:
>
>
> (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
>
> Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress hereby directs the President to
>
> remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of
> Yemen,
>
> except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations directed at Al
> Qaeda
>
> in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces, by not later than the date
>
> that is 30 days after the date of the adoption of this concurrent
> resolution
>
> (unless the President requests and the Congress authorizes a later date),
>
> and unless and until a declaration of war or specific authorization for
> such
>
> use of United States Armed Forces has been enacted.
>
>
> -----------------End of Resolution Text-----------------
>
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
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Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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