[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-19 : Yemen Resolution

Wed Nov 1 20:02:05 EDT 2017

I don't believe that was the intent of the delegates either and my test
poll of Region 1 members in this issue in the past overwhelming wanted the
LNC to do such things.

Is there any proof that this was the reason behind the change?  If not I
think we need to be careful saying that is what they wanted.  It certainly
does not appear to be the case for my 9 states.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 5:58 PM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> I imagine many delegates voted for that bylaws change because they didn't
> want unlibertarian resolutions being passed by the LNC and hoped that
> requiring supermajority support would prevent this from happening. I
> imagine they also hoped putting in a delay between when a motion is
> proposed and when it is adopted would allow time for any unlibertarian
> language to be spotted and removed or the motion scuttled.
>
> The LNC itself acted for similar reasons in creating the Advertising &
> Publications Review Committee to ensure that staff doesn't put out
> unlibertarian stuff in the name of the party. I don't believe it was our
> intention to limit the number of press releases or articles they produce
> whose contents *do* represent what our party stands for. Likewise I see
> no reason to assume delegates meant to limit the number of motions passed
> by the LNC that *are* clearly in synch with libertarianism.
>
> Besides spreading more libertarian views in the world by using the virtual
> soapbox we're standing on by virtue of being the Libertarian National
> Committee, resolutions also serve another useful purpose. Not saying we
> have this problem now, but if anyone were to be elected or appointed to the
> LNC who did not really share the ideas contained in our party's Statement
> of Principles we would want to know about it, and voting on resolutions
> provides a good opportunity to see where LNC members stand on various
> issues. If an LNC member didn't want to uphold the Non-Aggression Principle
> on various issues, they might not appreciate this transparency, and an
> obvious way for them to seek to avoid it would be to discourage the LNC
> from voting on resolutions about the issues of the day at all.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>                                   ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                          RealReform at earthlink.net
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>                                   @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Aaron Starr wrote:
>
> Yes, the Party is organized to do that in a number of enumerated ways, but
> our bylaws specifically discourage the LNC itself from engaging in this
> particular activity by imposing a higher vote threshold than almost any
> other activity.
>
> There was a time when adopting public policy resolutions seemed to be the
> LNC’s raison d'être. Fortunately, those days came to an end once the
> Convention adopted a bylaws change to require a ¾ vote with notice for the
> LNC to adopt such resolutions and unanimous consent in the absence of
> notice.
>
>
> Aaron Starr
> (805) 583-3308 Home
> (805) 404-8693 Mobile
> starrcpa at gmail.com
>
> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:31 PM
> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-19 : Yemen Resolution
>
> I am fully in support of public policy resolutions.  I am very regretful
> not to vote yes on this but that one part just bothers me.  I HIGHLY
> encourage the Chair to make a statement clearly stating our support of not
> involving ourselves in Yemen and tying it to our Platform and principles.
>
> My opinion on public policy resolutions will likely change once someone
> can demonstrate that such resolutions hurt our PRIMARY purpose which is the
> give voice to and implement the Statement of Principles.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Aaron Starr <starrcpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> I vote NO.
>
> I am of the general opinion that the LNC should not be in the business of
> adopting public policy motions. My opinion will likely change once someone
> can demonstrate that such resolutions help elect Libertarians and impact
> public opinion.
>
>
> Aaron Starr
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2017, at 11:41 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
>
>
> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2017 at 11:59:59pm
> Pacific time.  Trick or Treat!!*
> *Co-Sponsor:*  Sarwark
>
> *Motion:*  That the LNC adopt the following resolution:
>
> --------------------Resolution Text--------------------
>
> A Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent
> Resolution 81
>
> Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
> Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized
> hostilities in the Republic of Yemen.
>
> Resolved by the Libertarian National Committee (LNC)
>
> SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM HOSTILITIES IN THE
> REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS.
>
> (a) Findings ––The Libertarian National Committee agrees with Congress and
> finds the following:
>
> (1) Whereas, Congress has the sole power to declare war under article I,
> section 8, of the Constitution.
>
> (2) Whereas, a state of war has not been declared to exist with respect to
> the conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab
> Emirates against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen.
>
> (3) Whereas, United States Armed Forces have been involved in hostilities
> between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance, including through
> assisting Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes conducting aerial
> bombings in Yemen with selecting targets and by providing midair refueling
> services to such warplanes, amounting to millions of pounds of jet fuel
> delivered during thousands of Saudi and United Arab Emirates airstrikes.
>
> (4) Whereas, according to the Department of State’s Country Reports on
> Terrorism 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh
> alliance is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United States to
> pursue Al Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization for the
> Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note).
>
> (5) Whereas, no authorization for the use of United States Armed Forces
> with respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh
> alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law authorizes the
> provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi Arabia or the
> United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict.
>
> (6) Whereas, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh
> alliance in Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section 4(a)(1) of the
> War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)), either hostilities or a
> situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by
> the circumstances into which United States Armed Forces have been
> introduced.
>
> Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports H.Con.Res. 81 in accordance
> with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, but advises complete
> removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the Republic of Yemen:
>
> (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers
> Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress hereby directs the President to
> remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of
> Yemen, except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations directed at
> Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces, by not later than
> the date that is 30 days after the date of the adoption of this concurrent
> resolution (unless the President requests and the Congress authorizes a
> later date), and unless and until a declaration of war or specific
> authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces has been enacted.
>
> -----------------End of Resolution Text-----------------
>
> -Alicia
>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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