[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Feedback on LP religion poll / tracking?
Starchild
starchild at lp.org
Fri Dec 15 21:13:36 EST 2017
Thanks, Wes. On click-tracking, I think the devil if any is in the details. Is it telling staff only that someone clicked on an email, or is it compiling data on the habits of specific individuals, i.e. which kinds of emails they open, etc.? I am hesitantly okay with the former, but not the latter, unless an individual explicitly opts in to that kind of tracking.
If you want to lump all the Christian options together, you can still do that without putting them at the top of the list, by making them sub-categories of the "Christian" entry.
I agree it's not easy to determine what is and what isn't a religion, and therefore what options to include or not include in such a poll. I think many people today do have more religious attitudes about environmentalism, statism, etc., than they do about Christianity or other traditional religions. In such a milieu, following member requests of categories to include based on how they wish to identify seems sensible.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
RealReform at earthlink.net
P.S. – Since the "email cutover", I have not been receiving the LNC list emails. Or more specifically, I was receiving what I presume were all the emails sent to the reflector list up until last Sunday's meeting (they showed up in my In Box without the headers), but now as best I can determine I am receiving only emails sent to the LNC-votes list, via the reflector list, but not emails sent to the LNC-business list. Ken Moellman said he'd get with me to work on the issue a bit later this evening; hopefully we will be able to resolve the problem. Are other people subscribed to the reflector list receiving the emails, I wonder?
On Dec 15, 2017, at 3:53 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
> Starchild, thanks for the observations and suggestions.
>
> Click-tracking is a widely used practice to help measure the effectiveness of emails. I don't plan to stop our use of it. Others can debate the pros and cons of the practice. If the LNC wants us to stop, I'll abide.
>
> I prefer the way I lumped all the Christian options at the top so you can kind of add them up quickly.
>
> I was somewhat closely mirroring the sorting used at this wikipedia article:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
> Religious Self-Identification of the U.S. Adult Population
>
> There are probably many thousand religions across the world and U.S.
> I included several that Libertarians requested in the past that were not included in a previous survey, but I did not choose Transhumanist. It did cross my mind, but I figured we had enough details for this unscientific survey.
>
> It's not easy to make a list of the top religions, because things like denominations and the difference between a religion and a denomination make it complicated, not to mention the feedback along the lines that "government is a religion" and "environmentalism is a religion.
> NOTA got 3%, so I think we covered most people's choices.
>
> Take care,
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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> On 12/15/2017 6:43 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>
>> Hi Wes,
>>
>> When I attempted to click through from today's Libertarian email to the poll on religion, I got an error page indicating there was a tracker being used:
>>
>> chrome://ublock0/content/document-blocked.html?details=eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwOi8vY2xpY2suaWNwdHJhY2suY29tL2ljcC9yZWxheS5waHA/cj04NTUzMDAzNyZtc2dpZD02MDg4MjUmYWN0PThCQkkmYz0xMTE1MTA4JmRlc3RpbmF0aW9uPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cubHAub3JnJTJGd2hhdC1yZWxpZ2lvbi1hcmUtbGliZXJ0YXJpYW5zJTJGIiwiaG4iOiJjbGljay5pY3B0cmFjay5jb20iLCJkbiI6ImljcHRyYWNrLmNvbSIsImZjIjoiWzAsNjIsXCJpY3B0cmFjay5jb21cIl0iLCJmcyI6Inx8aWNwdHJhY2suY29tXiJ9
>>
>> What type of tracking are these emails employing? I do not think we should be tracking people's clicks without their consent.
>>
>> On the poll itself (I went directly to LP.org and found it there at https://www.lp.org/what-religion-are-libertarians/), I have a recommendation for an additional response category – Transhumanist.
>>
>> This may not ultimately be the most precise term for my own religious views, which also encompass non-aggression and decentralism/individualism, but as a "none of the above" respondent, I feel it would fit me better than any of the terms currently listed, and suspect there may be a few others who feel similarly. For anyone curious about the religious aspects of transhumanism, this page has some good material:
>>
>> http://www.metanexus.net/essay/toward-transhumanist-theology
>>
>> Finally, I would also urge that the poll response choices be listed in alphabetical order (with the exception of leaving "Decline to state" and "None of the above" at the bottom), rather than all the Christian options being listed first.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>> (415) 625-FREE
>
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