[Lnc-business] Consent

Daniel Hayes daniel.hayes at lp.org
Sat Jan 13 04:28:04 EST 2018


What do you actually think you are accomplishing? Even many Anarchists are not seeing what you said.  I saw a guy say “get Government out of it.”  The problem is MOST people including anarchists,Ancaps, etc. saw you say “I support adults having sex with kids”

You are yet ANOTHER defender of the one true faith.  Here you are to save us from ourselves.  Instead what you have done apparently is get even much of your base running around screaming for your head with a pitchfork in your hand.

Then of course the opportunists are coming out of the woodwork.       

In the mean time, Larry Sharpe has become possibly the first Libertarian Gubernatorial candidate to raise over $100k on his first report.

Jeff Hewitt is starting to get real serious attention with his win over “Big Fire” in California.

Aaron Starr(and Alicia) pulled off one of the biggest recalls in US history and now he is running for Mayor of Oxnard and is a REAL contender.

Then there is that Sarwark guy running for the non partisan seat of Mayor of Phoenix, that nobody knows is a Libertarian. Cause it’s not like he is National Chairman of the Party or lists it on his website or anything.

Instead, another one of your posts, that has gone over even most active LPer’s heads, is probably going to dominate the Liberty movement over the next week or two. And once again, probably NOT for the better.

On top of this, I got off the phone just yesterday with a certain Fox star’s producer. They are just about a done deal for speaking at the convention for “cost”.  This is JUST about the right timing to come across their feeds and make them say... “maybe not”. So I get to spend he next week wondering if it goes south.

So much for all of those “Libertarians working for you.”

Instead we will be/are inundated with calls for us to oust you by people misrepresenting what you said.  At least I think they are.  Of course you put out so many other posts about it, I can’t be sure. 

So back to it. Tell me exactly how the hell these posts of yours helped the Party. Heck, tell me what you think they actually did.

Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2018, at 1:09 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> Arvin, let me be blunt.  I do not buy for a second that you have any sympathies for any "difficulties" your massive lack of judgment and insensitive ham-handed ways of dealing with serious topics.  Your sympathies do little to negate the fact that more of our time and resources is spent cleaning up YOUR messes.  I for one, am tired of it.
> You didn't only state what you claim above.  You went far further and completely lacked tact and nuance.
> -Caryn Ann
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:45 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> LNC-
>> First, let me express my sympathy for the difficulties many of you have faced over the last couple days, on account of my view that family, culture, and individuals, not government, should determine if a person is ready to give sexual consent. Those who have read my longer posts on the topic probably find material you agree with. Or perhaps not, but probably nothing explosively sensational. Any future posts on this topic, which I probably won't bring up given it's minor budgetary cost, will probably be written in a comparatively non-inflammatory way.
>> I know many of you are weary of dealing with local responses to my social media posts. I would encourage those of you in this position to write, publicly, clearly, and comprehensibly on any of these topics. If age of consent is too incendiary, fine, write on government schools. Or military enlistment. Or military policy. Or social security. Or medicare. Or anything past soda taxes, hemp, and the federal Department of Education (a whopping 10% of the total welfare spend on education). If you don't want to be rude, fine, be polite. Just be honest, and be Libertarian.
>> As I look through social media of the LP leadership, LP candidates, and general media, I find that the most accurate representation of Libertarian positions today are coming from our opponents. As an example, our enemies say that we want to end public education; our candidates and leaders deny it. Will it be just me and our enemies that put forward complete Libertarian positions? I can't imagine that we want that. 
>> In terms of sexual consent, as far as I know, the only Libertarians I know who have spoken on this topic at all are the elected Libertarian councilman who initially posted on the issue, Dr. Ruwart, and me. And when you silence the Dr. Ruwarts of the world, you end up being a party okay with nominating Bob Barr.
>> It is also telling the extent to which those who have had their lives, and the lives of their loved ones destroyed by current age of consent laws have only felt okay messaging me privately, fearing the extent of the histrionic public backlashes against anyone who goes against the unspoken rules which so many so vigorously enforce. A few minutes ago, I learned of a 20 year odld who dated a 17 year old for months, then found out she had been lying about her age, and is now a registered sex offender. Should he have had his own read ID scanner? Perhaps. 
>> People are so terrified of being labelled perverts (with good reason), that they will not stand up for clear violations of decency. And as a party, we are so afraid of having the wrong spin or whatever it is that we're acting spineless. Even casual observation shows us that age of consent laws cannot be morally right, given that they are different in different states!
>> If you don't like how I speak against government school and government funded school, fine. Use your own words. Or send me your own words, and I'll post it under my name. The military welfare complex? Speak on the topic however you like. Age of consent? Same thing. 
>> Could I write on any of these issues better? Of course. Life is about learning and improving. But censuring ourselves, lying about our positions and principles, and waiting for our literal enemies to be the only ones who present our views isn't the answer. Refusing to stand up for those who don't have the right optics for our current politicking is cowardice, not political cleverness. 
>> Respectfully,
>> Arvin Vohra
>> Vice Chair
>> LNC 
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