[Lnc-business] Suspension motion; Adam Mayer

William Redpath william.redpath at lp.org
Thu Apr 12 11:22:17 EDT 2018

I also ask Mr. Vohra to resign immediately.  Bill Redpath

On 2018-04-12 11:00, Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt) wrote:
> I second Caryn’s reaffirmation of her request for Arvin to design.
> Alex
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos 
>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>   My condolences as well.
>>   In reference to the other matter, there are solid good faith 
>> positions
>>   all around in this very difficult manner.  Many of us asked Mr. 
>> Vohra
>>   to resign which is far preferable, and I renew that request here.
>>   I would like to bring to your attention that there was an additional
>>   MeWe post on the same issue which raises the same very troubling 
>> issues
>>   in which Mr. Vohra stated that if he thought it would be effective 
>> that
>>   he would have shot up a school board already.  So..... is that not
>>   advocating the initiation of force if it could be proven to work?
>>   Here is the exact post - what Mr. Vohra gives with one hand, he 
>> takes
>>   away with another.  That is precisely the problem.
>>   ===
>>   A few have, interestingly, asked why I don’t support violence 
>> against
>>   the government. After all, given how much I hate the government, why
>>   wouldn’t I want to see it shot up a bit?
>>   Here’s an analogy. Suppose you wanted to destroy a church. If you 
>> just
>>   bomb the church, the adherents of the religion would just create a 
>> new
>>   one. To truly destroy a church, you need to destroy the religion.
>>   Religions are ideas, and are destroyed by ideas. Belief in the 
>> welfare
>>   state, especially government schools, is an idea. It will be 
>> defeated
>>   by ideas, not by guns.
>>   Listen, if I thought shooting up a school board would end the 
>> welfare
>>   state, or even just government schools, I would have already done 
>> it.
>>   My life is not so precious that it’s worth destroying the minds of 
>> tens
>>   of millions of American kids a year. But such an action would be
>>   futile.
>>   We don’t need to kill individuals or blow up buildings. We need to
>>   destroy the ideology that creates those institutions.
>>   We need to destroy the belief in the welfare state, especially
>>   government schools. And while that requires a certain verbal
>>   aggressiveness, it doesn’t benefit from violence.====
>>   On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Starchild <[1]starchild at lp.org> 
>> wrote:
>>             My condolences to the Mayer family on their loss, and my
>>     thanks for their efforts on behalf of freedom and the LP.
>>     Love & Liberty,
>>                                        ((( starchild )))
>>     At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                             [2]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                                     (415) 625-FREE
>>                                       @StarchildSF
>>>   On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:02 AM, James Lark wrote:
>>>  Dear colleagues:
>>>      I hope all is well with you.  I am writing to provide some
>>>  information about a couple of matters.
>>>  1)  In a separate message I shall send my vote on the motion to
>>   suspend
>>>  Arvin Vohra.  While I believe several of Mr. Vohra's actions are
>>>  reflective of poor judgment, I am not convinced that the recent
>>   MeWe
>>>  post in question or his previous statements constitute a violation
>>   of
>>>  the certification (also referred to as the "membership pledge").
>>   In
>>>  particular, I believe that the post in question was an attempt at
>>   humor
>>>  (albeit an attempt that failed badly), and I accept his statements
>>   that
>>>  he does not advocate violence against the state.  (I have some
>>>  additional concerns about the wording of the motion, which I shall
>>>  discuss if the need arises.)
>>>      On Mar. 31, I sent a message to Mr. Vohra about the MeWe post.
>>   I
>>>  stated my belief that the intentional posting of the message in
>>   such a
>>>  place suggested questionable judgment, and perhaps an indifference
>>   to
>>>  the negative effect such posts may have on the LP, especially with
>>>  respect to some of our affiliate organizations.  I also requested
>>   that
>>>  he resign from the LNC, preferably with immediate effect.
>>>      For whatever it is worth, this is one of the most difficult
>>   votes I
>>>  have cast during my service as an LNC member.  I am concerned that
>>   some
>>>  of Mr. Vohra's statements have caused damage to the LP, and may
>>   cause
>>>  damage in the future.  Thus, I understand very well why the motion
>>   is
>>>  supported by many people whose character and judgment I greatly
>>>  respect.  I am also concerned that passage of the motion may cause
>>   as
>>>  many problems over the long term as it may alleviate.  In most
>>   cases
>>>  when I have such uncertainty concerning a motion, I abstain.
>>   However,
>>>  in this case, since an abstention functions as a "nay" vote, I
>>   believe
>>>  it is appropriate to vote "nay."
>>>  2)  A few days ago I received word that Adam Mayer, former chair of
>>   the
>>>  Libertarian Party of Oregon, had passed away.  Mr. Mayer and his
>>   wife
>>>  Christiana were stalwarts of the Libertarian Party of Oregon for
>>   many
>>>  years.  On a personal note, they were extremely kind and hospitable
>>   to
>>>  me when I had the honor of addressing the LP Oregon conventions in
>>   2005
>>>  and 2007.  I hope you will join me in offering condolences to the
>>   Mayer
>>>  family on their loss, and in offering thanks for their work for
>>>  liberty.
>>>      As always, thanks for your work for liberty.  I look forward to
>>>  seeing you soon.
>>>      Take care,
>>>      Jim
>>>      James W. Lark, III
>>>      Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
>>>      Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering and Society
>>>      Affiliated Faculty, Dept. of Statistics
>>>      University of Virginia
>>>      Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
>>>      University of Virginia
>>>      Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>  -----
>>>  Motion (contained in e-mail ballot 2018-05) concerning Arvin Vohra:
>>>  WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of force as
>>   its
>>>  cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify that
>>   they
>>>  neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve political
>>   or
>>>  social goals.
>>>  RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends Arvin
>>   Vohra
>>>  from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
>>   unacceptable
>>>  conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party into
>>>  disrepute, including making and defending a statement advocating
>>   lethal
>>>  violence against state employees who are not directly threatening
>>>  imminent physical harm. Such action is in violation of our
>>   membership
>>>  pledge. These actions further endanger the survival of our movement
>>   and
>>>  the security of all of our members without their consent.
>>>  -----
>>>  -----
>>>  From [1][3]https://www.lp.org/membership/:
>>>    * Certify Your Membership*
>>>         + [ ] YES, sign me up as a member of the Libertarian Party.
>>   To
>>>           validate my membership, I certify that I oppose the
>>   initiation
>>>           of force to achieve political or social goals.
>>> References
>>>  1. [4]https://www.lp.org/membership/
>>   --
>>   --
>>   In Liberty,
>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
>> Washington)
>>   - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>   Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>   We defend your rights
>>   And oppose the use of force
>>   Taxation is theft
>> References
>>   1. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>>   2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>   3. https://www.lp.org/membership/
>>   4. https://www.lp.org/membership/
>>   5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/

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