[Lnc-business] Limited U.S.A. Government Powers - Federalist 1787-1788
Starchild
starchild at lp.org
Sun Jan 7 17:44:02 EST 2018
Hmm, may have written too soon on some of that – when I composed it, I hadn't yet seen the other half dozen or so emails Thomas sent with tightly packed spreadsheets, etc... :-(
Well, if anyone not on the LNC is interested and has a passion for crunching numbers, let me know and I can forward to you.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
On Jan 7, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Starchild wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to write to members of the Libertarian National Committee. I have no idea whether the lawsuit strategy you recommend would be successful, but it looks like you've done some diligent legal research that could potentially be of use to someone pursuing a case. I've copied our in-house counsel on this message in case he finds any of it useful. I don't think government at any level should have sovereignty (only individuals are properly sovereign), but like you I'd like to see a more decentralized system in which U.S. states have greater power vis-a-vis the federal government than they do now, or even outright independence. I think you're also right that proportional representation would do a whole lot of good if we could get it enacted.
>
> That being said, I also agree with my colleague Daniel Hayes that your delivery method could use some work! Manners aside, your emails are not the easiest to read. I think you're getting better though! While still a lot to digest, the message you sent (at bottom of this email) is still much more user-friendly than the one immediately below which you sent to members of the LNC during my first term in June 2012, with its boldface text and inscrutable graphs. Being that many of us lack the optimum amount of grey matter... ;-) ...I'm hoping that you're coming to appreciate the wisdom of not putting to sleep any of the relatively small number of operational brain cells we do possess. I notice you also included your name with at least one of your messages this time, which is a definite improvement in my book.
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> Anyway, "I am not a lawyer"™ (thank heavens!), but if you know any smart lawyers who have the heads and stomach for it and can present a credible case for representing us in the kind of ballot access lawsuit you recommend, I for one would be interested in hearing from them. Especially if they're willing to do the work pro bono to help the cause, or if not, what kind of offer they might have for us.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2012, at 6:22 PM, DEMOREP1 at aol.com wrote:
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>> Statism in the U.S.A. since 1929 has been mainly about LOOTING regime Treasuries by the usual suspect special interest looter gangs.
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>> I.E. NET taxpayer/saver SLAVES versus NET tax/savings getters -- I.E. LOOTERS - *almost* ALL of the persons getting income from govts
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>> -- now roughly 40 percent of the U.S.A. population (compared to about 10 percent in 1929).
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>> Govt Out/In = 5665.5 / 4106.3 = -138.0 ratio percent.
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>> Savings = Investment, by definition.
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>> ALL govt deficits on the left side CUT the Savings for GPDI on the right side = CUT Jobs, Jobs, Jobs (in making homes, factories, stores, major equipment, etc.)
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>> -- regardless of ALL of the brain dead zombie Keynes econ MORONS in Deficit City, State legislatures and university Econ depts. since 1929 or earlier.
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>> i.e. for the clueless - GPDI is THE driving force of the economy - in the so-called *business cycle* -- actually the EVIL *govt deficit cycle* since 1929 -- i.e. worse deficits WRECK the private economy.
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>> In a sane economy all the SSD line numbers would be ZERO.
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>> In other words, the U.S.A. is now quite ready for a T-O-T-A-L economic collapse due to accumulated debts -- Private and especially Public -- not even including scheduled future UN-funded liabilities.
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>> End of Mar 2012 Credit Market Instruments = a mere $$$ 54.6 TRILLION -- Private $ 32.5 Trillion --- Public (all govts) $$$ 22.1 TRILLION (due to spending about 23 percent on average per year more than tax incomes since 1929).
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>> $ 16.3 Trillion Business Income below SAAR - do the ratio math.
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>> Fed. Res. Sys. Flow of Funds, June 7, 2012, Tables L.1 to L.5
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>> Note - the moron bureaucratic BEA does NOT make the below matrix for all of the world to see.
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>> Business Income is bigger than GDP since the BEA morons do NOT include interest (at the moment) in GDP.
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>> Note - about 15 percent of the Business Income and Outgo lines are *imputed* -- aka fictional (e.g. imputed rents on owner occupied dwellings, etc.) -- REAL tax effects (NOT imputed) are 1.00/0.85 or about 18 percent higher/worse.
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>> 2012Q1 U.S.A. NET ECONOMY MATRIX, BEA NIPA DATA, $ BILLIONS, SAAR, 31 MAY 2012
>> C CELL, P PERSONS, B BUSINESS, G GOVERNMENT, F FOREIGN, I INCOME, O OUTGO
>> T TOTAL, SS SECTOR SAVINGS, IV INVESTMENT, NS NIPA SAVINGS, RS REVISED P+G SAVINGS -
>> CELL 20 AMOUNT MOVED TO CELLS 9 AND 31, SSD SECTOR SURPLUS/DEFICIT (=RS-IV)
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>> C PI C BI C GI C FI C TO
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>> PO 1 ------- 12 13218.1 23 2498.3 34 ----- 45 15716.4
>> BO 2 11862.2 13 ------- 24 1803.1 35 ----- 46 13665.3
>> GO 3 2304.1 14 3361.4 25 ------ 36 ----- 47 5665.5
>> FO 4 -72.5 15 -297.5 26 -195.1 37 ----- 48 -565.1
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> =TI 5 14093.8 16 16282.0 27 4106.3 38 ----- 49 34482.1
>> -TO 6 15716.4 17 13665.3 28 5665.5 39 -565.1 50 34482.1
>> =SS 7 -1622.6 18 2616.7 29 -1559.2 40 565.1 51 0.0
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> +IV 8 2046.5 19 ------- 30 472.6 41 ----- 52 2519.1
>> =NS 9 423.9 20 2616.7 31 -1086.6 42 565.1 53 2519.1
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> RS 10 2674.6 21 ------- 32 -720.6 43 565.1 54 2519.1
>> SSD 11 628.1 22 ------- 33 -1193.2 44 565.1 55 0.0
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>> ESTIMATED PER PERSON DOLLAR AMOUNTS - EST. POPULATION 313.443 MILLION
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>> C PI C BI C GI C FI C TO
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>> PO 1 ----- 12 42171 23 7971 34 ----- 45 50141
>> BO 2 37845 13 ----- 24 5753 35 ----- 46 43597
>> GO 3 7351 14 10724 25 ---- 36 ----- 47 18075
>> FO 4 -231 15 -949 26 -622 37 ----- 48 -1803
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> =TI 5 44964 16 51946 27 13101 38 ----- 49 110011
>> -TO 6 50141 17 43597 28 18075 39 -1803 50 110011
>> =SS 7 -5177 18 8348 29 -4974 40 1803 51 0
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> +IV 8 6529 19 ----- 30 1508 41 ---- 52 8037
>> =NS 9 1352 20 8348 31 -3467 42 1803 53 8037
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> RS 10 8533 21 ----- 32 -2299 43 1803 54 8037
>> SSD 11 2004 22 ----- 33 -3807 44 1803 55 0
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>> PERCENT OF BUSINESS INCOME TOTAL -- CELL 16
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>> C PI C BI C GI C FI C TO
>>
>> PO 1 ---- 12 81.2 23 15.3 34 ---- 45 96.5
>> BO 2 72.9 13 ---- 24 11.1 35 ---- 46 83.9
>> GO 3 14.2 14 20.6 25 ---- 36 ---- 47 34.8
>> FO 4 -0.4 15 -1.8 26 -1.2 37 ---- 48 -3.5
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> =TI 5 86.6 16 100.0 27 25.2 38 ---- 49 211.8
>> -TO 6 96.5 17 83.9 28 34.8 39 -3.5 50 211.8
>> =SS 7 -10.0 18 16.1 29 -9.6 40 3.5 51 0.0
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> +IV 8 12.6 19 ---- 30 2.9 41 ---- 52 15.5
>> =NS 9 2.6 20 16.1 31 -6.7 42 3.5 53 15.5
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> RS 10 16.4 21 ---- 32 -4.4 43 3.5 54 15.5
>> SSD 11 3.9 22 ---- 33 -7.3 44 3.5 55 0.0
>>
>> --- CELL $BILL PCTBI $EACH NIPA TABLE-LINE NA NOT DONE BY BEA
>>
>> PERSONS ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
>> PIB C2 11862.2 72.9 37845 NA Persons income from business
>> PIB 2 8442.4 51.9 26934 2.1-02 Compensation of employees, received
>> PIB 2 1130.8 6.9 3608 2.1-09 Proprietors inc. with IV and CC Adj
>> PIB 2 445.5 2.7 1421 2.1-12 Rental income of persons with CC Adj
>> PIB 2 1804.2 11.1 5756 2.1-13 Personal income receipts on assets
>> PIB 2 39.3 0.2 125 2.1-24 Other curr. tr. rec. from bus. (net)
>> PIG C3 2304.1 14.2 7351 2.1-17 Government social benefits to persons
>> PIF C4 72.5 0.4 231 4.1-26 (-) CTTP-From persons (net) (forn)
>> PSV C9 423.9 2.6 1352 5.1-09 Personal saving
>> BUSINESS ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
>> BIP C12 13218.1 81.2 42171 NA Business income from persons
>> BIP 12 2046.5 12.6 6529 5.1-23 Gross private domes. invest. (GPDI)
>> BIP 12 11009.5 67.6 35124 2.1-29 Personal consumption expenditures
>> BIP 12 162.1 1.0 517 2.1-30 Personal interest payments
>> BIG C14 3361.4 20.6 10724 NA Business income from governments
>> BIG 14 472.6 2.9 1508 5.1-26 Gross government investment (GGI)
>> BIG 14 2545.6 15.6 8121 3.1-16 Government consumption expenditures
>> BIG 14 280.9 1.7 896 3.1-23 Govt Interest paym. to pers. and bus.
>> BIG 14 62.3 0.4 199 3.1-25 Subsidies (govt to business)
>> BIF C15 -297.5 -1.8 -949 NA C48-C4-C26 Bus. income from forn (net)
>> BSV C20 2616.7 16.1 8348 NA Business savings
>> BSV 20 670.2 4.1 2138 5.1-04 Domestic business SAVING
>> BSV 20 1638.1 10.1 5226 5.1-15 CFC Private (capital consumption)
>> BSV 20 366.0 2.2 1168 5.1-18 CFC Government (capital consumption)
>> BSV 20 0.0 0.0 0 5.1-10 Wage acc. less disbursements (priv)
>> BSV 20 -57.6 -0.4 -184 5.1-43 Statistical discrepancy
>> GOVERNMENTS ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
>> GIP C23 2498.3 15.3 7971 NA Govt income from persons
>> GIP 23 1448.0 8.9 4620 3.1-03 Personal current taxes
>> GIP 23 949.4 5.8 3029 2.1-25 Contributions for govt. social insur.
>> GIP 23 100.9 0.6 322 3.1-13 Current trans. receipts-from persons
>> GIB C24 1803.1 11.1 5753 NA Govt income from business
>> GIB 24 1113.0 6.8 3551 3.1-04 Taxes on production and imports
>> GIB 24 459.1 2.8 1465 3.1-05 Taxes on corporate income
>> GIB 24 149.9 0.9 478 3.1-08 Income receipts on assets (govt)
>> GIB 24 99.8 0.6 318 3.1-12 Curr. trans. receipts-from bus. (net)
>> GIB 24 -18.7 -0.1 -60 3.1-14 Current surplus of govt enterprises
>> GIB 24 0.0 0.0 0 3.1-26 Wage acc. less disbursements (govt)
>> GIF C26 -195.1 -1.2 -622 NA Govt income from foreign
>> GIF 26 135.6 0.8 433 3.1-24 (-) Govt Interest-To foreign
>> GIF 26 59.5 0.4 190 4.1-27 (-) CTTP-From govt (net)
>> GSV C31 -1086.6 -6.7 -3467 5.1-11 Net government saving
>> FOREIGN ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
>> FSV C48 -565.1 -3.5 -1803 4.1-29 (-) Balance on current account, NIPAs
>>
>> POP --- 313.443 ---- ------ 2.1-40 Population-millions
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>> -1559.2 -9.6 -4974 *REAL* GOVT SURPLUS/DEFICIT = 5.1-11-5.1-26
>> 408.4 2.5 1303 *NET* PRIVATE DOMESTIC INVESTMENT = 5.1-23-5.1-15
>> -381.8 RGSD/NPDI PERCENT RATIO
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>> I.E. IF govts had balanced budgets, then NPDI might be a mere 3.8 times higher.
>> I.E. The statist govt deficits are taking the U.S.A. very quickly back to the Stone Age - as older capital stuff wears out and is NOT replaced.
>>
>> Very good luck in trying to get ANY of the New Age brain dead media econ reporters to be rational about govt deficits and so-called *growth* and *stimulus*.
>> I.E. the brain dead media following the brain dead propaganda hype of the EVIL govt deficit morons / Ponzi scheme monsters for 80 plus years.
>>
>> The statist economy mess is now about 10 to 50 times worse than in 1773-1775 and 1859-1861 combined.
>>
>> Which EVIL statist from Hell will be elected monarch / emperor / tyrant Prez in Nov. 2012 - the communist Obama or the fascist Romney - due to the EVIL gerrymander math of the timebomb Electoral College ??? See the 1860 math - about 750,000 DEAD in 1861-1865.
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>> Very good luck to G.J. in waking up the NET taxpayer/saver SLAVES via the media.
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>> Save Civilization via Proportional Representation (legislative) and nonpartisan Approval Voting (executive/judicial).
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> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:45 PM, Thomas Jones wrote:
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>> FULL TEXT in attachment -- below
>> *******
>> Limited U.S.A. Government Powers - Federalist 1787-1788
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>> The U.S.A. Constitution has been mystified since 1789 and especially since 1936 mainly due to "to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" (Art. I, Sec. 8, Cl. 1) and "To regulate Commerce *** among the several States ***" (ibid, Cl. 3).
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>> Each of the States in the *United* *STATES* of America is a NATION-STATE --
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>> 1776 Declaration of Independence, last paragraph.
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>> 1777 Articles of Confederation
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>> 1783 U.S.A.-British Peace Treaty
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>> 1787 U.S.A. Const. Art. VII - *establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the same.*
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>> States PLURAL in all 4 documents.
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>> The U.S.A. government is a limited **FEDERAL** government for the joint benefit of the People in the States.
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>> The Federal and State governments are separate sovereignties with separate and unequal legislative, executive and judicial powers. Tarble’s Case, 80 U.S. 397, 406 (1871); U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 524, 549-551 (1875); U.S. v. Wheeler, 435 U.S. 313, 316-318 (1978); Printz v. U.S., 521 U.S. 898, 918-922, 928 (1997); U.S. v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598, 607, 615, 618 (2000).
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>> *******
>> MINI-VERSION
>> Left page numbers in The Federalist edited by Jacob E. Cooke (1961) (Fed. Number-Paragraph)
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>> http://www.constitution.org/fed/federali.txt
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>> *******
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>> A. Limited U.S.A. Government Powers - in General
>> - NOT brought up in hundreds of cases
>> 86 14-8
>> In the first place **** will retain their due authority and activity.
>> 105 17-1
>> AN OBJECTION, *** to the splendor of the national government.
>> 197-198 31-11 (part) *** The State governments, by their original constitutions, are invested with complete sovereignty. ***
>> 199 32-2
>> An entire consolidation *** delegated to the United States.
>> 203 32-5
>> The necessity of a concurrent *** altogether of such provisions. ***
>> 256 39-14
>> But if the government be national *** over all other objects. ***
>> 262 40-9 (part)
>> *** We have seen that in the new government, as in the old, the general powers are limited; and that the States, in all unenumerated cases, are left in the enjoyment of their sovereign and independent jurisdiction.
>> 262 40-10 (part)
>> The truth is, *** the articles of Confederation. ***
>> 309 45-3
>> Several important considerations *** than of the first scale.
>> 310 45-4 (part)
>> We have seen, *** not to be wholly disregarded. ***
>> 313 45-9
>> The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
>> 313 45-10
>> The operations of the federal government *** the governments of the particular States.
>> 553 82-3 (part)
>> The principles established *** would be utterly incompatible. ***
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>> B. General Welfare Clause
>> The B paragraphs below were NOT brought up in United States v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1, 64-68 (1936).
>> 277 41-22
>> Some, who have not *** stooping to such a misconstruction.
>> 277 41-23
>> Had no other *** terms "to raise money for the general welfare."
>> 277 41-24
>> But what color *** origin with the latter.
>> 278 41-25
>> The objection here *** error to escape its own condemnation!
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>> C. Inter-State Commerce Clause
>> The C paragraphs below have NOT been brought up in hundreds of cases starting with Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1 (1824). The obvious purpose of the inter-State commerce clause was to give power to the Congress to stop or limit State BURDENS on inter-State commerce passing through the States by declaratory laws, such as -- No State shall impose a tax on commerce passing through such State to another State.
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>> 39 7-5
>> The competitions of *** to reprisals and wars.
>> 40 7-6
>> The opportunities *** answer in the affirmative.
>> 71 11-12
>> An unrestrained intercourse *** with partial unions.
>> 72 11-13
>> It may *** a unity of government.
>> 135 22-1
>> IN ADDITION to the *** affairs of the Union.
>> 135 22-2
>> The want of a power to regulate *** acquire greater consistency.[1]
>> 136 22-3
>> Several States have endeavored *** continue to exist.
>> 137 22-4
>> The interfering and unneighborly *** than that of foreigners and aliens.
>> 283 42-11
>> The defect of *** immediate and immoderate gain.
>> 284 42-12
>> The necessity of a *** the general permission.
>> 314 45-11 (part)
>> If the new *** no apprehensions are entertained. ***
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>> Will the States now be wiped out by U.S.A. treaties and treaty enforcement laws ???
>> See Bond v. U.S., 572 U.S. ____ (2014) [Docket 12-158].
>> See 2014 Constitution Annotated, part 3, pp. 497-499, U.S.A. treaties over States.
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