[Lnc-business] Second draft of 12/9/17 LNC Meeting Minutes

Fri Jan 12 03:55:52 EST 2018

The objection means it can't automatically approve without a formal vote.
The next meeting agenda is a logical time to take it up for a formal vote
when the possibility of amendments can be more easily managed.

-Alicia

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Alicia, since there was an objection does this just go automatically to
> the next meeting agenda?
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I object to auto-approval (and I note that the Policy Manual
>> provision on this states "member," not "attendee.")  I will catalog my
>> objections shortly (before the 8th) and see if they are amenable to email
>> handling or would best be handled at a meeting.  Currently I've got 50
>> pages to edit, and need to finish my note, so it may take a few days.
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> When I objected in the past it was put on the agenda of the next meeting
>>> if it couldn’t be resolved in email.
>>>
>>> I have previously objected to both meeting and convention minutes and
>>> that is how handled.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:37 PM Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Policy Manual does not explain what happens when there is
>>>> objection. Can someone with more experience tell me what happens if there
>>>> is objection?  I know how it would work at an in-person meeting, but
>>>> multiple email ballots on amendments doesn't seem workable, nor does it
>>>> make sense to me that a single person can prevent approval, but it would
>>>> take 4 to move to amend.
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 10:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone, attached is the version 2 draft of the last meeting
>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that absent objections, these will auto-approve on January
>>>>> 8, 2018.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I offer the following comments on the suggestions offered:
>>>>>
>>>>> *I changed all the instances of "passed" to "was adopted" except for
>>>>> one instance of calling the question for which that would not be
>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> *I have reviewed past minutes and note that the seconder is not noted.
>>>>> While I include that information in the minutes done for committees and the
>>>>> LPCO, I have removed that from this draft as it has not been this body's
>>>>> practice and consistency is important.
>>>>>
>>>>> *I amended the wording about Starchild's absence - I have included the
>>>>> weather related comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Both addresses are correct for Nick's campaign site, but I amended to
>>>>> spell out "for" - using the number 4 is more visually attractive when
>>>>> writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> *It is correct that Starchild only expressed that the objection
>>>>> regarding the CC interim chair was expressed verbally - I had the same
>>>>> objection but did not express it at the time
>>>>>
>>>>> *I left it as Ms. Salvette and Ms. Hogarth as they were already
>>>>> introduced by full names and referred to with those designations the day
>>>>> prior.
>>>>>
>>>>> *I didn't name the two express abstentions in the first budget
>>>>> amendment for two reasons.  One the recording is not clear, and second, if
>>>>> the abstainers wanted a roll call vote it could have been requested so I
>>>>> don't think it is proper to name them (I am somewhat surprised that
>>>>> Starchild did not request a roll call vote).
>>>>>
>>>>> *I removed the word "key" from factor in the venue vote reluctantly.
>>>>> I do think it was key which later set the stage for the decision on the
>>>>> next LNC meeting location, but since that is subjective, I removed it,
>>>>> though I think it accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> *On the ordering of the reports in the appendix, I note that I ordered
>>>>> them in the same order that Ms. Mattson did for our last minutes with all
>>>>> of Dr. Lark's reports (Region 5, Campus Organizing, and International
>>>>> grouped together) - which may not have been immediately obvious in past
>>>>> minutes as I included an index of appendixes.  I do agree that the order
>>>>> suggested by Dr. Lark is more logical and I have changed that order and
>>>>> suggest that for the future and also that an appendix be included to make
>>>>> it easier for our members to find all the reports, particularly since
>>>>> Region 1 tends to have an obnoxiously long report ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> *I noted the vote that Alicia noted was missing.
>>>>>
>>>>> *I accepted most of the re-wording suggestions though no meaning would
>>>>> be changed and were strictly stylistic.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that you do not have to re-review the whole thing unless you wish
>>>>> to, I have highlighted all the changes made (I have simply deleted the
>>>>> seconders without any highlighting).  I will remove the highlighting in the
>>>>> final version.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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