[Lnc-business] Second draft of 12/9/17 LNC Meeting Minutes

Fri Jan 12 09:36:08 EST 2018

Thank you- that’s what I thought.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:55 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
wrote:

> The objection means it can't automatically approve without a formal vote.
> The next meeting agenda is a logical time to take it up for a formal vote
> when the possibility of amendments can be more easily managed.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > wrote:
>
>> Alicia, since there was an objection does this just go automatically to
>> the next meeting agenda?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I object to auto-approval (and I note that the Policy Manual
>>> provision on this states "member," not "attendee.")  I will catalog my
>>> objections shortly (before the 8th) and see if they are amenable to email
>>> handling or would best be handled at a meeting.  Currently I've got 50
>>> pages to edit, and need to finish my note, so it may take a few days.
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I objected in the past it was put on the agenda of the next
>>>> meeting if it couldn’t be resolved in email.
>>>>
>>>> I have previously objected to both meeting and convention minutes and
>>>> that is how handled.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:37 PM Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Policy Manual does not explain what happens when there is
>>>>> objection. Can someone with more experience tell me what happens if there
>>>>> is objection?  I know how it would work at an in-person meeting, but
>>>>> multiple email ballots on amendments doesn't seem workable, nor does it
>>>>> make sense to me that a single person can prevent approval, but it would
>>>>> take 4 to move to amend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 10:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everyone, attached is the version 2 draft of the last meeting
>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please note that absent objections, these will auto-approve on
>>>>>> January 8, 2018.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I offer the following comments on the suggestions offered:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I changed all the instances of "passed" to "was adopted" except for
>>>>>> one instance of calling the question for which that would not be
>>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I have reviewed past minutes and note that the seconder is not
>>>>>> noted. While I include that information in the minutes done for committees
>>>>>> and the LPCO, I have removed that from this draft as it has not been this
>>>>>> body's practice and consistency is important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I amended the wording about Starchild's absence - I have included
>>>>>> the weather related comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Both addresses are correct for Nick's campaign site, but I amended
>>>>>> to spell out "for" - using the number 4 is more visually attractive when
>>>>>> writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *It is correct that Starchild only expressed that the objection
>>>>>> regarding the CC interim chair was expressed verbally - I had the same
>>>>>> objection but did not express it at the time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I left it as Ms. Salvette and Ms. Hogarth as they were already
>>>>>> introduced by full names and referred to with those designations the day
>>>>>> prior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I didn't name the two express abstentions in the first budget
>>>>>> amendment for two reasons.  One the recording is not clear, and second, if
>>>>>> the abstainers wanted a roll call vote it could have been requested so I
>>>>>> don't think it is proper to name them (I am somewhat surprised that
>>>>>> Starchild did not request a roll call vote).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I removed the word "key" from factor in the venue vote reluctantly.
>>>>>> I do think it was key which later set the stage for the decision on the
>>>>>> next LNC meeting location, but since that is subjective, I removed it,
>>>>>> though I think it accurate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *On the ordering of the reports in the appendix, I note that I
>>>>>> ordered them in the same order that Ms. Mattson did for our last minutes
>>>>>> with all of Dr. Lark's reports (Region 5, Campus Organizing, and
>>>>>> International grouped together) - which may not have been immediately
>>>>>> obvious in past minutes as I included an index of appendixes.  I do agree
>>>>>> that the order suggested by Dr. Lark is more logical and I have changed
>>>>>> that order and suggest that for the future and also that an appendix be
>>>>>> included to make it easier for our members to find all the reports,
>>>>>> particularly since Region 1 tends to have an obnoxiously long report ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I noted the vote that Alicia noted was missing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I accepted most of the re-wording suggestions though no meaning
>>>>>> would be changed and were strictly stylistic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that you do not have to re-review the whole thing unless you wish
>>>>>> to, I have highlighted all the changes made (I have simply deleted the
>>>>>> seconders without any highlighting).  I will remove the highlighting in the
>>>>>> final version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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