[Lnc-business] Motion to suspend Arvin Vohra

Sun Jan 14 17:48:12 EST 2018

Elizabeth on reflection I think there are some flaws here.  I was getting
ready to email my state chairs about whether or not to co-sponsor at a
minimum but there is not enough information.  That section of the Bylaws is
"for cause."    I know what my reasons are but they are not everyone's, and
I would not put my name to something that might affirm something I do not
(such supporting the current state of consent laws or fixing the LNC on a
position within that contentious subject on which Libertarians disagree).
My concerns are behaviour and judgment.

I also think this too weighty for an email.

IMHO a meeting should be called.  And the motion IMHO is defective without
the cause.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM, <trent.somes at lp.org> wrote:

> On 2018-01-14 14:04, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
>> I find it very sad that a colleague has brought us to this place with
>> his repeated utter lack of judgment.
>>
>> I do not have my requisite Region 1 support at this time - Region 1 in
>> the past had no use for National and I worked my ass to change that.
>> Thanks to the incredibly destructive acts of our VC that work is
>> crumbling.
>>
>> If it were solely up to me I would co-sponsor and vote yes.  But I am
>> a representative.
>>
>> God help me, if I were ever this utterly destructive to an
>> organization that I would realize this isn’t about me and my
>> edgelordiness and step down.
>>
>> Despite the opinion of others or the narrative put forth by Arvin, for
>> me, this isn’t some moderate squeamishness about Principles.  I hold
>> them - and though I think his understanding of how they apply to young
>> people is shallow- that isn’t the issue.  It is conduct and behavior
>> repeatedly unbecoming a leader.  It is not just this incident, it is a
>> repeated pattern and refusal to be able to work on a shared vision
>> that requires utter selfishness to be put aside.
>>
>> Things move slow in Region 1 and I don’t even expect full answers in
>> this short time frame.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:54 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:12 AM <steven.nekhaila at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> Coming from a State which has been targeted due to individuals
>>>> within
>>>> and experienced considerable flack for years despite the great
>>>> work we
>>>> have accomplished, my advice to this body is to not give in to the
>>>> lynch
>>>> mobs demands, as I do not believe our policies even give us an
>>>> avenue to
>>>> act, but instead to encourage those who want to change party
>>>> leadership
>>>> to participate in the 2018 Libertarian National Convention and
>>>> elect the
>>>> leadership they would like to see in charge. The leadership is a
>>>> reflection of the memberships will, if the membership wills to see
>>>> a
>>>> regime change that is their right, and the most effective way of
>>>> carrying that out is to book accommodations to be at the
>>>> convention of
>>>> the greatest political party in the United States of America and
>>>> be a
>>>> part of crafting the future of US politics and culture. That
>>>> should be
>>>> our only response, it is also the most genuine and effective way
>>>> for
>>>> anyone who wants leadership change to achieve it. Turning our
>>>> muzzles at
>>>> each other is not the answer and quite frankly our bylaws do not
>>>> allow
>>>> it (to my knowledge), and even if it did I would not recommend it.
>>>> We
>>>> must stay united and move business forward until convention,
>>>> encourage
>>>> participation in the 2018 convention, and stick to our mission.
>>>> Everything is else will end up in futility and that is not what
>>>> this
>>>> body wants.
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>> Region 2 Rep Alternate
>>>>
>>>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-01-14 10:13 AM, Patrick McKnight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Elizabeth. I will co-sponsor this motion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>>> Chair, NJLP
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:17 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <daniel.hayes at lp.org>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The reality is that people choose to quit.  Arvin doesn’t
>>>>>>
>>>>> make
>>>>
>>>>> them quit. Personal responsibility and all.  He sure is
>>>>>>
>>>>> encouraging
>>>>
>>>>> the hell out of them though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sure wish those 50 people got this pissed off at Ohio State
>>>>>> Government.  It probably would have save us $100,000
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The possibility and reality that he HAS made people quit is why
>>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>> support this motion. That and the 50 or so Ohio members who are
>>>>>> completely disgusted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dustin Nanna
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (740) 816-9805 [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:05 AM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Motion, not amendment. Typo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dustin Nanna
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (740) 816-9805 [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:04 AM, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In Louisiana, we have been through some legendary infighting.
>>>>>> We’ve seen the wear and tear it puts on people and the
>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had a SCC meeting yesterday and I brought the subject of
>>>>>> Arvin’s latest statement up and asked if we wanted to create
>>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>> response.  The “No” was palpable.  We discussed it further
>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> everybody seemed to think that with the convention 5 1/2 months
>>>>>> away, allowing the delegates to handle it by not voting for
>>>>>>
>>>>> Arvin if
>>>>
>>>>> he runs again was the way it should be handled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that after a 3 year period of grievances and attempts
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> remove people we maybe have a different perspective than others
>>>>>>
>>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>>> What we learned the hard way was the infighting/attempts at
>>>>>> discipline was probably much more destructive than anything
>>>>>>
>>>>> anybody
>>>>
>>>>> actually did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see a LOT of opportunistic and hypocritical behavior going on
>>>>>> relative to Arvin.  I find those people whipping up the mob to
>>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>> the bigger problem.  I think a lot of it likely violates the LP
>>>>>> “Pledge”.  Attempting to use “force” for political
>>>>>>
>>>>> gain.  I
>>>>
>>>>> don’t mean people don’t have a right to be upset. I just
>>>>>>
>>>>> find it
>>>>
>>>>> curious that people that seem to think everyone should have a
>>>>>> platform coming out against Arvin, or groups that advocate
>>>>>>
>>>>> against
>>>>
>>>>> age of consent laws doing the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am also disturbed but not surprised by the lynch mob calling
>>>>>>
>>>>> Arvin
>>>>
>>>>> a pedophile/pro-pedophile when he has very clearly stated he
>>>>>> definitively opposes pedophilia. This more so applies to people
>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>> know the distinctions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All that said, I am bothered by what seems to be Arvin’s
>>>>>>
>>>>> desire
>>>>
>>>>> to “purge” the party of the impure.  The possibility that
>>>>>>
>>>>> he is
>>>>
>>>>> trying to get people to quit is the bigger issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 7:28 AM, David Demarest
>>>>>>
>>>>> <david.demerest at lp.org>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first stone has been cast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This motion is not about ideology. It is about the crass
>>>>>>
>>>>> politics of
>>>>
>>>>> avoiding scaring voters in order to get elected to top-down
>>>>>> authoritarian positions and hiding the dictates of one's
>>>>>>
>>>>> conscience
>>>>
>>>>> 'between the sheets' instead courageously proclaiming one's
>>>>>> convictions 'on the streets'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This motion will sort out those who have political, ideological
>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> moral courage. We will soon see whether the LNC chooses to
>>>>>> differentiate the Libertarian Party from the Republican and
>>>>>> Democratic parties. The future of the LP could be in the
>>>>>>
>>>>> balance.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will expressly NOT co-sponsor this motion. If it comes to a
>>>>>>
>>>>> vote,
>>>>
>>>>> I will proudly, publicly, and emphatically vote "NO"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who among you is willing to cast the second stone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 4:52 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I make a motion to suspend Arvin Vohra from his position as
>>>>>>
>>>>> Vice
>>>>
>>>>> Chair under Article 6, Section 7 of our Bylaws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>> _______________________________
>>
>>>
>>>>>> Three of the four state affiliate chairs in Region 3 are now
>>>>>>
>>>>> backing
>>>>
>>>>> this motion. I told Region 3 that I'd need at least 3/4 of the
>>>>>> region in accord to make the motion to suspend Arvin.  That
>>>>>>
>>>>> percent
>>>>
>>>>> was reached last night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I volunteered my time and energy to be a Regional Rep on
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> LNC, I didn't do it under the circumstances of, "only if
>>>>>> convenient".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm doing this because I care about giving a voice to the many
>>>>>>
>>>>> LP
>>>>
>>>>> members who are running for office, getting out the vote, and
>>>>>> spending their hard-earned money working toward electing
>>>>>> libertarians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the people that make up the Libertarian Party. It is
>>>>>>
>>>>> their
>>>>
>>>>> voice that I represent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, it is with calm resolve that I make this motion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>>>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>>>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business [2]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Links:
>>>>> ------
>>>>> [1] tel:(740)%20816-9805
>>>>> [2] http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>>
> If I could co-sponsor, I absolutely would. I've been contacted by more
> constituents about this issue than any other issue since I started this
> job. Thank you for putting this forward.
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/attachments/20180114/e799c704/attachment-0002.html>