[Lnc-business] Motion to suspend Arvin Vohra

[trent.somes at lp.org]

On 2018-01-14 14:04, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> I find it very sad that a colleague has brought us to this place with
> his repeated utter lack of judgment.
> 
> I do not have my requisite Region 1 support at this time - Region 1 in
> the past had no use for National and I worked my ass to change that.
> Thanks to the incredibly destructive acts of our VC that work is
> crumbling.
> 
> If it were solely up to me I would co-sponsor and vote yes.  But I am
> a representative.
> 
> God help me, if I were ever this utterly destructive to an
> organization that I would realize this isn’t about me and my
> edgelordiness and step down.
> 
> Despite the opinion of others or the narrative put forth by Arvin, for
> me, this isn’t some moderate squeamishness about Principles.  I hold
> them - and though I think his understanding of how they apply to young
> people is shallow- that isn’t the issue.  It is conduct and behavior
> repeatedly unbecoming a leader.  It is not just this incident, it is a
> repeated pattern and refusal to be able to work on a shared vision
> that requires utter selfishness to be put aside.
> 
> Things move slow in Region 1 and I don’t even expect full answers in
> this short time frame.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:54 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:12 AM <steven.nekhaila at lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>> 
>>> Coming from a State which has been targeted due to individuals
>>> within
>>> and experienced considerable flack for years despite the great
>>> work we
>>> have accomplished, my advice to this body is to not give in to the
>>> lynch
>>> mobs demands, as I do not believe our policies even give us an
>>> avenue to
>>> act, but instead to encourage those who want to change party
>>> leadership
>>> to participate in the 2018 Libertarian National Convention and
>>> elect the
>>> leadership they would like to see in charge. The leadership is a
>>> reflection of the memberships will, if the membership wills to see
>>> a
>>> regime change that is their right, and the most effective way of
>>> carrying that out is to book accommodations to be at the
>>> convention of
>>> the greatest political party in the United States of America and
>>> be a
>>> part of crafting the future of US politics and culture. That
>>> should be
>>> our only response, it is also the most genuine and effective way
>>> for
>>> anyone who wants leadership change to achieve it. Turning our
>>> muzzles at
>>> each other is not the answer and quite frankly our bylaws do not
>>> allow
>>> it (to my knowledge), and even if it did I would not recommend it.
>>> We
>>> must stay united and move business forward until convention,
>>> encourage
>>> participation in the 2018 convention, and stick to our mission.
>>> Everything is else will end up in futility and that is not what
>>> this
>>> body wants.
>>> 
>>> In Liberty,
>>> 
>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>> Region 2 Rep Alternate
>>> 
>>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> 
>>> On 2018-01-14 10:13 AM, Patrick McKnight wrote:
>>>> Thank you Elizabeth. I will co-sponsor this motion.
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>> Chair, NJLP
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:17 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <daniel.hayes at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The reality is that people choose to quit.  Arvin doesn’t
>>> make
>>>>> them quit. Personal responsibility and all.  He sure is
>>> encouraging
>>>>> the hell out of them though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I sure wish those 50 people got this pissed off at Ohio State
>>>>> Government.  It probably would have save us $100,000
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The possibility and reality that he HAS made people quit is why
>>> I
>>>>> support this motion. That and the 50 or so Ohio members who are
>>>>> completely disgusted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dustin Nanna
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>>>>> 
>>>>> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>>>>> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>>>>> 
>>>>> (740) 816-9805 [1]
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:05 AM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Motion, not amendment. Typo
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dustin Nanna
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>>>>> 
>>>>> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>>>>> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>>>>> 
>>>>> (740) 816-9805 [1]
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 9:04 AM, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Louisiana, we have been through some legendary infighting.
>>>>> We’ve seen the wear and tear it puts on people and the
>>>>> organization.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We had a SCC meeting yesterday and I brought the subject of
>>>>> Arvin’s latest statement up and asked if we wanted to create
>>> a
>>>>> response.  The “No” was palpable.  We discussed it further
>>> and
>>>>> everybody seemed to think that with the convention 5 1/2 months
>>>>> away, allowing the delegates to handle it by not voting for
>>> Arvin if
>>>>> he runs again was the way it should be handled.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suspect that after a 3 year period of grievances and attempts
>>> to
>>>>> remove people we maybe have a different perspective than others
>>> do.
>>>>> What we learned the hard way was the infighting/attempts at
>>>>> discipline was probably much more destructive than anything
>>> anybody
>>>>> actually did.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I see a LOT of opportunistic and hypocritical behavior going on
>>>>> relative to Arvin.  I find those people whipping up the mob to
>>> be
>>>>> the bigger problem.  I think a lot of it likely violates the LP
>>>>> “Pledge”.  Attempting to use “force” for political
>>> gain.  I
>>>>> don’t mean people don’t have a right to be upset. I just
>>> find it
>>>>> curious that people that seem to think everyone should have a
>>>>> platform coming out against Arvin, or groups that advocate
>>> against
>>>>> age of consent laws doing the same.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am also disturbed but not surprised by the lynch mob calling
>>> Arvin
>>>>> a pedophile/pro-pedophile when he has very clearly stated he
>>>>> definitively opposes pedophilia. This more so applies to people
>>> that
>>>>> know the distinctions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All that said, I am bothered by what seems to be Arvin’s
>>> desire
>>>>> to “purge” the party of the impure.  The possibility that
>>> he is
>>>>> trying to get people to quit is the bigger issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 7:28 AM, David Demarest
>>> <david.demerest at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The first stone has been cast.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This motion is not about ideology. It is about the crass
>>> politics of
>>>>> avoiding scaring voters in order to get elected to top-down
>>>>> authoritarian positions and hiding the dictates of one's
>>> conscience
>>>>> 'between the sheets' instead courageously proclaiming one's
>>>>> convictions 'on the streets'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This motion will sort out those who have political, ideological
>>> and
>>>>> moral courage. We will soon see whether the LNC chooses to
>>>>> differentiate the Libertarian Party from the Republican and
>>>>> Democratic parties. The future of the LP could be in the
>>> balance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will expressly NOT co-sponsor this motion. If it comes to a
>>> vote,
>>>>> I will proudly, publicly, and emphatically vote "NO"!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Who among you is willing to cast the second stone?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 4:52 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I make a motion to suspend Arvin Vohra from his position as
>>> Vice
>>>>> Chair under Article 6, Section 7 of our Bylaws.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> ___________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> Three of the four state affiliate chairs in Region 3 are now
>>> backing
>>>>> this motion. I told Region 3 that I'd need at least 3/4 of the
>>>>> region in accord to make the motion to suspend Arvin.  That
>>> percent
>>>>> was reached last night.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I volunteered my time and energy to be a Regional Rep on
>>> the
>>>>> LNC, I didn't do it under the circumstances of, "only if
>>>>> convenient".
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm doing this because I care about giving a voice to the many
>>> LP
>>>>> members who are running for office, getting out the vote, and
>>>>> spending their hard-earned money working toward electing
>>>>> libertarians.
>>>>> 
>>>>> These are the people that make up the Libertarian Party. It is
>>> their
>>>>> voice that I represent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, it is with calm resolve that I make this motion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> 
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If I could co-sponsor, I absolutely would. I've been contacted by more 
constituents about this issue than any other issue since I started this 
job. Thank you for putting this forward.