[Lnc-business] Motion to suspend Arvin Vohra

Sun Jan 14 14:04:51 EST 2018

I find it very sad that a colleague has brought us to this place with his
repeated utter lack of judgment.

I do not have my requisite Region 1 support at this time - Region 1 in the
past had no use for National and I worked my ass to change that.  Thanks to
the incredibly destructive acts of our VC that work is crumbling.

If it were solely up to me I would co-sponsor and vote yes.  But I am a
representative.

God help me, if I were ever this utterly destructive to an organization
that I would realize this isn’t about me and my edgelordiness and step down.

Despite the opinion of others or the narrative put forth by Arvin, for me,
this isn’t some moderate squeamishness about Principles.  I hold them - and
though I think his understanding of how they apply to young people is
shallow- that isn’t the issue.  It is conduct and behavior repeatedly
unbecoming a leader.  It is not just this incident, it is a repeated
pattern and refusal to be able to work on a shared vision that requires
utter selfishness to be put aside.

Things move slow in Region 1 and I don’t even expect full answers in this
short time frame.

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:54 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:12 AM <steven.nekhaila at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Coming from a State which has been targeted due to individuals within
>> and experienced considerable flack for years despite the great work we
>> have accomplished, my advice to this body is to not give in to the lynch
>> mobs demands, as I do not believe our policies even give us an avenue to
>> act, but instead to encourage those who want to change party leadership
>> to participate in the 2018 Libertarian National Convention and elect the
>> leadership they would like to see in charge. The leadership is a
>> reflection of the memberships will, if the membership wills to see a
>> regime change that is their right, and the most effective way of
>> carrying that out is to book accommodations to be at the convention of
>> the greatest political party in the United States of America and be a
>> part of crafting the future of US politics and culture. That should be
>> our only response, it is also the most genuine and effective way for
>> anyone who wants leadership change to achieve it. Turning our muzzles at
>> each other is not the answer and quite frankly our bylaws do not allow
>> it (to my knowledge), and even if it did I would not recommend it. We
>> must stay united and move business forward until convention, encourage
>> participation in the 2018 convention, and stick to our mission.
>> Everything is else will end up in futility and that is not what this
>> body wants.
>>
>> In Liberty,
>>
>> Steven Nekhaila
>> Region 2 Rep Alternate
>>
>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>
>> On 2018-01-14 10:13 AM, Patrick McKnight wrote:
>> > Thank you Elizabeth. I will co-sponsor this motion.
>> >
>> > Patrick McKnight
>> > Region 8 Rep
>> > Chair, NJLP
>> >
>> > On Jan 14, 2018 9:17 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <daniel.hayes at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The reality is that people choose to quit.  Arvin doesn’t make
>> >> them quit. Personal responsibility and all.  He sure is encouraging
>> >> the hell out of them though.
>> >>
>> >> I sure wish those 50 people got this pissed off at Ohio State
>> >> Government.  It probably would have save us $100,000
>> >>
>> >> Daniel Hayes
>> >> LNC At Large Member
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The possibility and reality that he HAS made people quit is why I
>> >> support this motion. That and the 50 or so Ohio members who are
>> >> completely disgusted.
>> >>
>> >> Dustin Nanna
>> >> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>> >>
>> >> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>> >> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>> >>
>> >> (740) 816-9805 [1]
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 14, 2018 9:05 AM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Motion, not amendment. Typo
>> >>
>> >> Dustin Nanna
>> >> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>> >>
>> >> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>> >> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>> >>
>> >> (740) 816-9805 [1]
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 14, 2018 9:04 AM, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In Louisiana, we have been through some legendary infighting.
>> >> We’ve seen the wear and tear it puts on people and the
>> >> organization.
>> >>
>> >> We had a SCC meeting yesterday and I brought the subject of
>> >> Arvin’s latest statement up and asked if we wanted to create a
>> >> response.  The “No” was palpable.  We discussed it further and
>> >> everybody seemed to think that with the convention 5 1/2 months
>> >> away, allowing the delegates to handle it by not voting for Arvin if
>> >> he runs again was the way it should be handled.
>> >>
>> >> I suspect that after a 3 year period of grievances and attempts to
>> >> remove people we maybe have a different perspective than others do.
>> >> What we learned the hard way was the infighting/attempts at
>> >> discipline was probably much more destructive than anything anybody
>> >> actually did.
>> >>
>> >> I see a LOT of opportunistic and hypocritical behavior going on
>> >> relative to Arvin.  I find those people whipping up the mob to be
>> >> the bigger problem.  I think a lot of it likely violates the LP
>> >> “Pledge”.  Attempting to use “force” for political gain.  I
>> >> don’t mean people don’t have a right to be upset. I just find it
>> >> curious that people that seem to think everyone should have a
>> >> platform coming out against Arvin, or groups that advocate against
>> >> age of consent laws doing the same.
>> >>
>> >> I am also disturbed but not surprised by the lynch mob calling Arvin
>> >> a pedophile/pro-pedophile when he has very clearly stated he
>> >> definitively opposes pedophilia. This more so applies to people that
>> >> know the distinctions.
>> >>
>> >> All that said, I am bothered by what seems to be Arvin’s  desire
>> >> to “purge” the party of the impure.  The possibility that he is
>> >> trying to get people to quit is the bigger issue.
>> >>
>> >> Daniel Hayes
>> >> LNC At Large Member
>> >>
>> >> Daniel Hayes
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 14, 2018, at 7:28 AM, David Demarest <david.demerest at lp.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The first stone has been cast.
>> >>
>> >> This motion is not about ideology. It is about the crass politics of
>> >> avoiding scaring voters in order to get elected to top-down
>> >> authoritarian positions and hiding the dictates of one's conscience
>> >> 'between the sheets' instead courageously proclaiming one's
>> >> convictions 'on the streets'.
>> >>
>> >> This motion will sort out those who have political, ideological and
>> >> moral courage. We will soon see whether the LNC chooses to
>> >> differentiate the Libertarian Party from the Republican and
>> >> Democratic parties. The future of the LP could be in the balance.
>> >>
>> >> I will expressly NOT co-sponsor this motion. If it comes to a vote,
>> >> I will proudly, publicly, and emphatically vote "NO"!
>> >>
>> >> Who among you is willing to cast the second stone?
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> ~David Pratt Demarest
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 14, 2018 4:52 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I make a motion to suspend Arvin Vohra from his position as Vice
>> >> Chair under Article 6, Section 7 of our Bylaws.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> Three of the four state affiliate chairs in Region 3 are now backing
>> >> this motion. I told Region 3 that I'd need at least 3/4 of the
>> >> region in accord to make the motion to suspend Arvin.  That percent
>> >> was reached last night.
>> >>
>> >> When I volunteered my time and energy to be a Regional Rep on the
>> >> LNC, I didn't do it under the circumstances of, "only if
>> >> convenient".
>> >>
>> >> I'm doing this because I care about giving a voice to the many LP
>> >> members who are running for office, getting out the vote, and
>> >> spending their hard-earned money working toward electing
>> >> libertarians.
>> >>
>> >> These are the people that make up the Libertarian Party. It is their
>> >> voice that I represent.
>> >>
>> >> So, it is with calm resolve that I make this motion.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> >> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> >> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> >> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> >> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> >
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