[Lnc-business] What is Arvin Vohra saying?

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Thank you Alicia.  I think there are varied opinions on some of the posts
and others there is a consensus were just irrationally reckless for a
leader to make.

This isn't a censoring of opinion, but an expectation on leaders.

One of the statements would read to people "I would rather someone be
molested by a an adult male predator with a good job than some starry-eyed
classmate having his first ill-advised venture into intimate relationships
because it is cheaper for me."  No leader should NOT see how that would be
taken.  That doesn't even need to get into whether or not anyone agrees
with current age of consent laws or who should be the "investigating
authority."  It isn't for saying something "too Libertarian."  It is for
being callous and reckless and the cutesy background just makes it
horrifying.

Another is equating acceptable of adult men with a consensual relationship
to a teen and an adult man (ala Roy Moore) - why choose gay men with the
implication that perhaps people should view that as unnatural - why be so
insultingly inflammatory when gay men are often accused of being predators
by the right?  Why feed into a fear stereotype?  Notice.  None of that
there is being "too Libertarian" it is being obnoxious and insulting - just
like we critique Trump.

Another is saying he would "probably" not have a romantic relationship with
a 14 year old.  How any leader could not see that an educator saying that
comes off as a creepy uncle vibe and will be the birth of a million memes
(which it has) with the Libertarian Party name on it, has horrid judgment.

Another is saying that a relationship between a 60 year old and a 14 year
old is EXACTLY THE SAME as two 14 year olds.  It isn't that it "might be
the same" etc but that it blanket is.

And lastly, there is a huge implication that culture and families are
right.  Well there are cultures and families that auction off child
brides.  A leader should know that it requires a lot more nuance than
that.  How about this?  When are people ready for adult responsibilities,
including with their bodies?  When they are mature enough to consent with
the ability to take responsibility.  This isn't always the same for all
people, so judgments must be made.  Who best knows the people in order to
judge if they meet those moral qualifications?  Do you think the state is?

SEE?  I made the argument in a reasonable way that connected the dots.
Just saying "culture and family" without any moral qualifications leads to
atrocities JUST like arbitrary laws have caused atrocities.

Leaders need to know when dealing with things such as this - children are
the heart of people heart's - they will kill for their children - that
cavalier FB snipes are just not appropriate.  Perhaps social media is NOT
the place at all.  A leader would know that this would strike a nerve with
people who know that many young people are assualted by adults they know -
including parents.

So I want to put to rest the martyr syndrome that this is about being "too
Libertarian."  I hold the same radical anarchist credibility cards that
Arvin does.  I have no issue with saying Libertarian things. Just being
allegedly "right" is NOT ENOUGH.  We are stewards of a LEGACY, this isn't
our personal doodle board.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not all LNC members use Facebook, and even the ones who do may not spend
> the time to dig through all the comments to see what exactly is or isn't
> being said by Arvin Vohra on the topic of the day.
>
> Attached is a PDF comprised of posts from his Facebook page so you can
> actually know what the complaints are about.  There may be other posts on
> other pages, but I only looked at his page.
>
> I didn't cherry pick a phrase here and there.  No one can reasonably say I
> am pulling things out of context.  These are entire posts over several days
> so you can decide for yourself what he is or isn't saying.
>
> -Alicia
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