[Lnc-business] What is Arvin Vohra saying?

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Arvin Vohra-

You are a shameless user of people.  If the rest of the LNC doesn't know,
he took a snippet of the above, posted it on his wall to make it seem like
I SUPPORTED HIM.  That is a low unethical thing to do.   You should be
ashamed of yourself.

-Caryn Ann



On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Thank you Alicia.  I think there are varied opinions on some of the posts
> and others there is a consensus were just irrationally reckless for a
> leader to make.
>
> This isn't a censoring of opinion, but an expectation on leaders.
>
> One of the statements would read to people "I would rather someone be
> molested by a an adult male predator with a good job than some starry-eyed
> classmate having his first ill-advised venture into intimate relationships
> because it is cheaper for me."  No leader should NOT see how that would be
> taken.  That doesn't even need to get into whether or not anyone agrees
> with current age of consent laws or who should be the "investigating
> authority."  It isn't for saying something "too Libertarian."  It is for
> being callous and reckless and the cutesy background just makes it
> horrifying.
>
> Another is equating acceptable of adult men with a consensual relationship
> to a teen and an adult man (ala Roy Moore) - why choose gay men with the
> implication that perhaps people should view that as unnatural - why be so
> insultingly inflammatory when gay men are often accused of being predators
> by the right?  Why feed into a fear stereotype?  Notice.  None of that
> there is being "too Libertarian" it is being obnoxious and insulting - just
> like we critique Trump.
>
> Another is saying he would "probably" not have a romantic relationship
> with a 14 year old.  How any leader could not see that an educator saying
> that comes off as a creepy uncle vibe and will be the birth of a million
> memes (which it has) with the Libertarian Party name on it, has horrid
> judgment.
>
> Another is saying that a relationship between a 60 year old and a 14 year
> old is EXACTLY THE SAME as two 14 year olds.  It isn't that it "might be
> the same" etc but that it blanket is.
>
> And lastly, there is a huge implication that culture and families are
> right.  Well there are cultures and families that auction off child
> brides.  A leader should know that it requires a lot more nuance than
> that.  How about this?  When are people ready for adult responsibilities,
> including with their bodies?  When they are mature enough to consent with
> the ability to take responsibility.  This isn't always the same for all
> people, so judgments must be made.  Who best knows the people in order to
> judge if they meet those moral qualifications?  Do you think the state is?
>
> SEE?  I made the argument in a reasonable way that connected the dots.
> Just saying "culture and family" without any moral qualifications leads to
> atrocities JUST like arbitrary laws have caused atrocities.
>
> Leaders need to know when dealing with things such as this - children are
> the heart of people heart's - they will kill for their children - that
> cavalier FB snipes are just not appropriate.  Perhaps social media is NOT
> the place at all.  A leader would know that this would strike a nerve with
> people who know that many young people are assualted by adults they know -
> including parents.
>
> So I want to put to rest the martyr syndrome that this is about being "too
> Libertarian."  I hold the same radical anarchist credibility cards that
> Arvin does.  I have no issue with saying Libertarian things. Just being
> allegedly "right" is NOT ENOUGH.  We are stewards of a LEGACY, this isn't
> our personal doodle board.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not all LNC members use Facebook, and even the ones who do may not spend
>> the time to dig through all the comments to see what exactly is or isn't
>> being said by Arvin Vohra on the topic of the day.
>>
>> Attached is a PDF comprised of posts from his Facebook page so you can
>> actually know what the complaints are about.  There may be other posts on
>> other pages, but I only looked at his page.
>>
>> I didn't cherry pick a phrase here and there.  No one can reasonably say
>> I am pulling things out of context.  These are entire posts over several
>> days so you can decide for yourself what he is or isn't saying.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
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