[Lnc-business] What is Arvin Vohra saying?

Mon Jan 15 01:44:26 EST 2018

Yeah after you got the result I predicted.  I am thoroughly disgusted.
That is political dirtiness worthy of the old parties.

Hey maybe you can purge the party of the "pure" people too, because after
that dirty move, the political reality of how not different Libertarians
are really hit me.  Is this worth doing?

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:

> The post has been removed.
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > wrote:
>
>> I asked for the post to be removed.  I accept your explanation - however
>> it just demonstrates the lack of judgment I have been pointing out.
>>
>> You are the subject of a huge scandal with members.  You bring in my name
>> with an unqualified contextless statement - using MY good name to reform
>> your own.
>>
>> I would make a suggestion on how you could have done that the right way.
>> But I don't want to be the subject of another of your FB posts on a subject
>> that you just don't know when to quit.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As I asked on facebook: I was trying to use your suggestion without
>>> plagiarizing. I can remove the post or remove the tag, whichever you prefer.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arvin Vohra-
>>>>
>>>> You are a shameless user of people.  If the rest of the LNC doesn't
>>>> know, he took a snippet of the above, posted it on his wall to make it seem
>>>> like I SUPPORTED HIM.  That is a low unethical thing to do.   You should be
>>>> ashamed of yourself.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Alicia.  I think there are varied opinions on some of the
>>>>> posts and others there is a consensus were just irrationally reckless for a
>>>>> leader to make.
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't a censoring of opinion, but an expectation on leaders.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the statements would read to people "I would rather someone be
>>>>> molested by a an adult male predator with a good job than some starry-eyed
>>>>> classmate having his first ill-advised venture into intimate relationships
>>>>> because it is cheaper for me."  No leader should NOT see how that would be
>>>>> taken.  That doesn't even need to get into whether or not anyone agrees
>>>>> with current age of consent laws or who should be the "investigating
>>>>> authority."  It isn't for saying something "too Libertarian."  It is for
>>>>> being callous and reckless and the cutesy background just makes it
>>>>> horrifying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another is equating acceptable of adult men with a consensual
>>>>> relationship to a teen and an adult man (ala Roy Moore) - why choose gay
>>>>> men with the implication that perhaps people should view that as unnatural
>>>>> - why be so insultingly inflammatory when gay men are often accused of
>>>>> being predators by the right?  Why feed into a fear stereotype?  Notice.
>>>>> None of that there is being "too Libertarian" it is being obnoxious and
>>>>> insulting - just like we critique Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another is saying he would "probably" not have a romantic relationship
>>>>> with a 14 year old.  How any leader could not see that an educator saying
>>>>> that comes off as a creepy uncle vibe and will be the birth of a million
>>>>> memes (which it has) with the Libertarian Party name on it, has horrid
>>>>> judgment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another is saying that a relationship between a 60 year old and a 14
>>>>> year old is EXACTLY THE SAME as two 14 year olds.  It isn't that it "might
>>>>> be the same" etc but that it blanket is.
>>>>>
>>>>> And lastly, there is a huge implication that culture and families are
>>>>> right.  Well there are cultures and families that auction off child
>>>>> brides.  A leader should know that it requires a lot more nuance than
>>>>> that.  How about this?  When are people ready for adult responsibilities,
>>>>> including with their bodies?  When they are mature enough to consent with
>>>>> the ability to take responsibility.  This isn't always the same for all
>>>>> people, so judgments must be made.  Who best knows the people in order to
>>>>> judge if they meet those moral qualifications?  Do you think the state is?
>>>>>
>>>>> SEE?  I made the argument in a reasonable way that connected the
>>>>> dots.  Just saying "culture and family" without any moral qualifications
>>>>> leads to atrocities JUST like arbitrary laws have caused atrocities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leaders need to know when dealing with things such as this - children
>>>>> are the heart of people heart's - they will kill for their children - that
>>>>> cavalier FB snipes are just not appropriate.  Perhaps social media is NOT
>>>>> the place at all.  A leader would know that this would strike a nerve with
>>>>> people who know that many young people are assualted by adults they know -
>>>>> including parents.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I want to put to rest the martyr syndrome that this is about being
>>>>> "too Libertarian."  I hold the same radical anarchist credibility cards
>>>>> that Arvin does.  I have no issue with saying Libertarian things. Just
>>>>> being allegedly "right" is NOT ENOUGH.  We are stewards of a LEGACY, this
>>>>> isn't our personal doodle board.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not all LNC members use Facebook, and even the ones who do may not
>>>>>> spend the time to dig through all the comments to see what exactly is or
>>>>>> isn't being said by Arvin Vohra on the topic of the day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attached is a PDF comprised of posts from his Facebook page so you
>>>>>> can actually know what the complaints are about.  There may be other posts
>>>>>> on other pages, but I only looked at his page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't cherry pick a phrase here and there.  No one can reasonably
>>>>>> say I am pulling things out of context.  These are entire posts over
>>>>>> several days so you can decide for yourself what he is or isn't saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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