[Lnc-business] What is Arvin Vohra saying?

Mon Jan 15 01:41:00 EST 2018

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On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I asked for the post to be removed.  I accept your explanation - however
> it just demonstrates the lack of judgment I have been pointing out.
>
> You are the subject of a huge scandal with members.  You bring in my name
> with an unqualified contextless statement - using MY good name to reform
> your own.
>
> I would make a suggestion on how you could have done that the right way.
> But I don't want to be the subject of another of your FB posts on a subject
> that you just don't know when to quit.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As I asked on facebook: I was trying to use your suggestion without
>> plagiarizing. I can remove the post or remove the tag, whichever you prefer.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Arvin Vohra-
>>>
>>> You are a shameless user of people.  If the rest of the LNC doesn't
>>> know, he took a snippet of the above, posted it on his wall to make it seem
>>> like I SUPPORTED HIM.  That is a low unethical thing to do.   You should be
>>> ashamed of yourself.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Alicia.  I think there are varied opinions on some of the
>>>> posts and others there is a consensus were just irrationally reckless for a
>>>> leader to make.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a censoring of opinion, but an expectation on leaders.
>>>>
>>>> One of the statements would read to people "I would rather someone be
>>>> molested by a an adult male predator with a good job than some starry-eyed
>>>> classmate having his first ill-advised venture into intimate relationships
>>>> because it is cheaper for me."  No leader should NOT see how that would be
>>>> taken.  That doesn't even need to get into whether or not anyone agrees
>>>> with current age of consent laws or who should be the "investigating
>>>> authority."  It isn't for saying something "too Libertarian."  It is for
>>>> being callous and reckless and the cutesy background just makes it
>>>> horrifying.
>>>>
>>>> Another is equating acceptable of adult men with a consensual
>>>> relationship to a teen and an adult man (ala Roy Moore) - why choose gay
>>>> men with the implication that perhaps people should view that as unnatural
>>>> - why be so insultingly inflammatory when gay men are often accused of
>>>> being predators by the right?  Why feed into a fear stereotype?  Notice.
>>>> None of that there is being "too Libertarian" it is being obnoxious and
>>>> insulting - just like we critique Trump.
>>>>
>>>> Another is saying he would "probably" not have a romantic relationship
>>>> with a 14 year old.  How any leader could not see that an educator saying
>>>> that comes off as a creepy uncle vibe and will be the birth of a million
>>>> memes (which it has) with the Libertarian Party name on it, has horrid
>>>> judgment.
>>>>
>>>> Another is saying that a relationship between a 60 year old and a 14
>>>> year old is EXACTLY THE SAME as two 14 year olds.  It isn't that it "might
>>>> be the same" etc but that it blanket is.
>>>>
>>>> And lastly, there is a huge implication that culture and families are
>>>> right.  Well there are cultures and families that auction off child
>>>> brides.  A leader should know that it requires a lot more nuance than
>>>> that.  How about this?  When are people ready for adult responsibilities,
>>>> including with their bodies?  When they are mature enough to consent with
>>>> the ability to take responsibility.  This isn't always the same for all
>>>> people, so judgments must be made.  Who best knows the people in order to
>>>> judge if they meet those moral qualifications?  Do you think the state is?
>>>>
>>>> SEE?  I made the argument in a reasonable way that connected the dots.
>>>> Just saying "culture and family" without any moral qualifications leads to
>>>> atrocities JUST like arbitrary laws have caused atrocities.
>>>>
>>>> Leaders need to know when dealing with things such as this - children
>>>> are the heart of people heart's - they will kill for their children - that
>>>> cavalier FB snipes are just not appropriate.  Perhaps social media is NOT
>>>> the place at all.  A leader would know that this would strike a nerve with
>>>> people who know that many young people are assualted by adults they know -
>>>> including parents.
>>>>
>>>> So I want to put to rest the martyr syndrome that this is about being
>>>> "too Libertarian."  I hold the same radical anarchist credibility cards
>>>> that Arvin does.  I have no issue with saying Libertarian things. Just
>>>> being allegedly "right" is NOT ENOUGH.  We are stewards of a LEGACY, this
>>>> isn't our personal doodle board.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not all LNC members use Facebook, and even the ones who do may not
>>>>> spend the time to dig through all the comments to see what exactly is or
>>>>> isn't being said by Arvin Vohra on the topic of the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached is a PDF comprised of posts from his Facebook page so you can
>>>>> actually know what the complaints are about.  There may be other posts on
>>>>> other pages, but I only looked at his page.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't cherry pick a phrase here and there.  No one can reasonably
>>>>> say I am pulling things out of context.  These are entire posts over
>>>>> several days so you can decide for yourself what he is or isn't saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
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