[Lnc-business] What is Arvin Vohra saying?

Mon Jan 15 01:38:39 EST 2018

I asked for the post to be removed.  I accept your explanation - however it
just demonstrates the lack of judgment I have been pointing out.

You are the subject of a huge scandal with members.  You bring in my name
with an unqualified contextless statement - using MY good name to reform
your own.

I would make a suggestion on how you could have done that the right way.
But I don't want to be the subject of another of your FB posts on a subject
that you just don't know when to quit.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:

> As I asked on facebook: I was trying to use your suggestion without
> plagiarizing. I can remove the post or remove the tag, whichever you prefer.
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > wrote:
>
>> Arvin Vohra-
>>
>> You are a shameless user of people.  If the rest of the LNC doesn't know,
>> he took a snippet of the above, posted it on his wall to make it seem like
>> I SUPPORTED HIM.  That is a low unethical thing to do.   You should be
>> ashamed of yourself.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Alicia.  I think there are varied opinions on some of the
>>> posts and others there is a consensus were just irrationally reckless for a
>>> leader to make.
>>>
>>> This isn't a censoring of opinion, but an expectation on leaders.
>>>
>>> One of the statements would read to people "I would rather someone be
>>> molested by a an adult male predator with a good job than some starry-eyed
>>> classmate having his first ill-advised venture into intimate relationships
>>> because it is cheaper for me."  No leader should NOT see how that would be
>>> taken.  That doesn't even need to get into whether or not anyone agrees
>>> with current age of consent laws or who should be the "investigating
>>> authority."  It isn't for saying something "too Libertarian."  It is for
>>> being callous and reckless and the cutesy background just makes it
>>> horrifying.
>>>
>>> Another is equating acceptable of adult men with a consensual
>>> relationship to a teen and an adult man (ala Roy Moore) - why choose gay
>>> men with the implication that perhaps people should view that as unnatural
>>> - why be so insultingly inflammatory when gay men are often accused of
>>> being predators by the right?  Why feed into a fear stereotype?  Notice.
>>> None of that there is being "too Libertarian" it is being obnoxious and
>>> insulting - just like we critique Trump.
>>>
>>> Another is saying he would "probably" not have a romantic relationship
>>> with a 14 year old.  How any leader could not see that an educator saying
>>> that comes off as a creepy uncle vibe and will be the birth of a million
>>> memes (which it has) with the Libertarian Party name on it, has horrid
>>> judgment.
>>>
>>> Another is saying that a relationship between a 60 year old and a 14
>>> year old is EXACTLY THE SAME as two 14 year olds.  It isn't that it "might
>>> be the same" etc but that it blanket is.
>>>
>>> And lastly, there is a huge implication that culture and families are
>>> right.  Well there are cultures and families that auction off child
>>> brides.  A leader should know that it requires a lot more nuance than
>>> that.  How about this?  When are people ready for adult responsibilities,
>>> including with their bodies?  When they are mature enough to consent with
>>> the ability to take responsibility.  This isn't always the same for all
>>> people, so judgments must be made.  Who best knows the people in order to
>>> judge if they meet those moral qualifications?  Do you think the state is?
>>>
>>> SEE?  I made the argument in a reasonable way that connected the dots.
>>> Just saying "culture and family" without any moral qualifications leads to
>>> atrocities JUST like arbitrary laws have caused atrocities.
>>>
>>> Leaders need to know when dealing with things such as this - children
>>> are the heart of people heart's - they will kill for their children - that
>>> cavalier FB snipes are just not appropriate.  Perhaps social media is NOT
>>> the place at all.  A leader would know that this would strike a nerve with
>>> people who know that many young people are assualted by adults they know -
>>> including parents.
>>>
>>> So I want to put to rest the martyr syndrome that this is about being
>>> "too Libertarian."  I hold the same radical anarchist credibility cards
>>> that Arvin does.  I have no issue with saying Libertarian things. Just
>>> being allegedly "right" is NOT ENOUGH.  We are stewards of a LEGACY, this
>>> isn't our personal doodle board.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not all LNC members use Facebook, and even the ones who do may not
>>>> spend the time to dig through all the comments to see what exactly is or
>>>> isn't being said by Arvin Vohra on the topic of the day.
>>>>
>>>> Attached is a PDF comprised of posts from his Facebook page so you can
>>>> actually know what the complaints are about.  There may be other posts on
>>>> other pages, but I only looked at his page.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't cherry pick a phrase here and there.  No one can reasonably
>>>> say I am pulling things out of context.  These are entire posts over
>>>> several days so you can decide for yourself what he is or isn't saying.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
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