[Lnc-business] Fwd: The impending purge of Arvin Vohra

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

Comparisons to witch-hunts, selling our souls, slavery, and Nazi's?!

I haven't seen so many hyperbolic false comparisons outside a poorly 
moderated 4chan forum,  Hell, children know not to Godwin a thread.

As for your question:  "Do you wonder why I always choose to vote my 
conscience?"

I don't wonder. It appears you're an authoritarian. The stance of, "my 
conscience", allows you to always have your way.

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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/

On 2018-01-20 05:03, david.demarest at lp.org wrote:
> So, in the fortunately unlikely scenario where the majority within a
> region decides to support building Trump's wall or a return to
> segregation or slavery, regional reps will be expected to follow the
> Nazi mantra of "We obey orders" and vote with the regional majority?
> Roll over, Murray Rothbard! [substitute your favorite deceased
> Libertarian hero].
> 
> Majorities are always right. Oh, and by the way, catering to the will
> of the majority just happens to be the easiest and proven way to get
> elected. That moral stance makes Arvin's supposed sins look like an
> accidental use of a cuss word in church. Wow! I wonder where personal
> dictates of conscience fit into the this picture or are they totally
> irrelevant in representative democracy? Do you wonder why I always
> choose to vote my conscience?
> 
> The desperate maneuver to include the suspension motion with a
> two-thirds threshold in the censure motion with a simple majority
> criteria is instructive on how far the anti-Arvin faction is willing
> to go to get their way. If suspension is added to the censure motion,
> I will withdraw my offer to co-sponsor.
> 
> Good grief - enough of this witch hunt already! Let's leave the
> hanging up to convention delegates where it belongs and get back to
> more important business. We were elected to move the Overton Window
> pointer in the direction of freedom. We were not elected to waste time
> with self-righteous posturing, disingenuous political-correctness
> maneuvering, selling our souls to get votes, and squabbling about how
> to censor free speech.
> 
> Let's get back to acting like personal responsibility and social
> tolerance Libertarians.
> 
> ~David Pratt Demarest
> LNC Region 6 Representative
> 
> On 2018-01-20 01:48, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> Copying this for the LNC list.
>>    I spoke briefly with Mr. Boman on social media.  Regional
>>    Representatives should do the will of their Region, and Mr. Boman 
>> is
>>    not in my region.  Regional Representatives are accountable to 
>> their
>>    state chairs as per our Bylaws unless the regional agreement says
>>    otherwise.  I promised at my election to follow the procedure I am
>>    following and thus upon which I was elected.  I do not betray my
>>    promises.
>>    Some points though need to be addressed.
>>    1.  There isn't a "poorly publicized meeting" as no meeting has 
>> been
>>    set.  One cannot publicize something that is not scheduled.  Our
>>    discussions are far from poorly publicized.  Any member can read 
>> every
>>    single LNC discussion if they avail themselves of it.
>>    2.  One thing the LNC is not is operating under a cover of 
>> darkness.
>>    That is unwarranted hyperbole that is not cognizant of the 
>> tremendous
>>    transparency we do have compared to LNC subcommittees and other
>>    organizations.
>>    3.  No, Mr. Vohra was not elected on this agenda.  He is forcing
>>    unwilling people to be associated with his pet topics because he 
>> has
>>    decided he knows what is good for everyone.  That is not acceptable 
>> to
>>    me.
>>    4.  The Bylaws give this option.  The Bylaws that were not changed 
>> last
>>    convention and represent the rules of this Body.  The same Bylaws 
>> that
>>    delegates voted to give this Body the discretion to do.  I will be
>>    campaigning for a change to have a direct right of recall but that 
>> does
>>    not exist right now, and thus, this is properly in our purview.
>>    5.  As far as diversity and "not them."  I beg to differ.  I am a
>>    radical anarchist.  Just like Mr. Vohra.  This has nothing to do 
>> with
>>    "not them" and factionalism for me.
>>    I await the final instruction from my Regional Chairs.
>>    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>    From: Scotty Boman <[1]scottyboman at hotmail.com>
>>    Date: Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:21 AM
>>    Subject: The impending purge of Arvin Vohra
>>    To: "[2]chair at lp.org" <[3]chair at lp.org>, "[4]vicechair at lp.org"
>>    <[5]vicechair at lp.org>, "[6]treasurer at lp.org" <[7]treasurer at lp.org>,
>>    "[8]secretary at lp.org" <[9]secretary at lp.org>,
>>    "[10]william.redpath at lp.org" <[11]william.redpath at lp.org>,
>>    "[12]sam.goldstein at lp.org" <[13]sam.goldstein at lp.org>,
>>    "[14]starchild at lp.org" <[15]starchild at lp.org>,
>>    "[16]daniel.hayes at lp.org" <[17]daniel.hayes at lp.org>,
>>    "[18]joshua.katz at lp.org" <[19]joshua.katz at lp.org>,
>>    "[20]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org" <[21]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>,
>>    "[22]steven.nielson at lp.org" <[23]steven.nielson at lp.org>,
>>    "[24]ed.marsh at lp.org" <[25]ed.marsh at lp.org>,
>>    "[26]steven.nekhaila at lp.org" <[27]steven.nekhaila at lp.org>,
>>    "[28]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org" <[29]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>,
>>    "[30]dustin.nanna at lp.org" <[31]dustin.nanna at lp.org>,
>>    "[32]jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org" <[33]jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org>,
>>    "[34]aaron.starr at lp.org" <[35]aaron.starr at lp.org>,
>>    "[36]james.lark at lp.org" <[37]james.lark at lp.org>,
>>    "[38]trent.somes at lp.org" <[39]trent.somes at lp.org>,
>>    "[40]david.demarest at lp.org" <[41]david.demarest at lp.org>,
>>    "[42]sean.otoole at lp.org" <[43]sean.otoole at lp.org>,
>>    "[44]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org" <[45]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>,
>>    "[46]erin.adams at lp.org" <[47]erin.adams at lp.org>,
>>    "[48]patrick.mcknight at lp.org" <[49]patrick.mcknight at lp.org>,
>>    "[50]larry.sharpe at lp.org" <[51]larry.sharpe at lp.org>
>> 
>>    Honorable LEC Members:
>>    I recently learned that you will soon be voting on the removal of 
>> Arvin
>>    Vohra from his office as Vice Chair.  In researching what actions 
>> by
>>    Arvin justified this, I have learned that there is nothing new or
>>    exceptional about his conduct that would warrant said removal.  I 
>> base
>>    this conclusion primarily on the words of the very people who want 
>> him
>>    removed.
>>    While there were some disturbing labels being pasted on him, all
>>    examples of substance showed that his critics wanted him to be 
>> removed
>>    for being the same person he was when he was elected by the 
>> delegation
>>    in 2016.  He is philosophically purist (AKA consistent). He is
>>    abrasively direct. He doesn't avoid third-rail issues. So there is 
>> no
>>    new heinous sin that calls for an exceptional action as the one 
>> being
>>    voted on.  If there was, I would have a different opinion than the 
>> one
>>    I'm expressing now.
>>    What we have then is a faction of LNC members who hope to have the
>>    numbers to purge someone who is other then them.  This is the kind 
>> of
>>    in-fighting that has been eating away at our party from the inside. 
>>  It
>>    is also a slap in the face to the delegates who elected a diverse 
>> LNC
>>    with the hope that you could all advance the Party together rather 
>> than
>>    trying to undo the will of the body.
>>    I was a delegate to the Convention in Orlando. I was part of the 
>> body
>>    that elected many of you.  Even if you don't think Arvin Vohra was 
>> the
>>    best choice for Vice Chair, he was the choice of the majority of
>>    national convention delegates. The idea that a small committee ( 
>> that
>>    was elected the same way ) believes they have the moral authority 
>> to
>>    over-ride the people who elected them is repugnant. If you don't
>>    respect our choices, then you have no right to expect our support.
>>    Even regional representatives were chosen by delegates at that
>>    convention (from their region), not just state chairs.
>>    If Arvin is removed by your vote, you will set a harmful precedent.
>>    Not only will delegates be considering the talents, views or 
>> outreach
>>    styles of candidates; they will need to avoid giving any faction a
>>    majority for fear that the diversity they voted for will be 
>> destroyed
>>    by internal purges after the Convention closes.
>>    The next convention is only a few months away. This is the 
>> appropriate
>>    place to remove and elect officers, not under cover of darkness in 
>> a
>>    poorly publicized meeting.
>>    Please have that much respect for the delegates.  I have publicly,
>>    pledged to actively campaign against the election of any LNC 
>> member,
>>    who votes against the choice of the 2016 delegation, to any post in 
>> the
>>    LNC.
>>    In liberty,
>>    Scotty Boman
>>    Libertarian Party Member
>>    [52](313) 247-2052
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>    1. mailto:scottyboman at hotmail.com
>>    2. mailto:chair at lp.org
>>    3. mailto:chair at lp.org
>>    4. mailto:vicechair at lp.org
>>    5. mailto:vicechair at lp.org
>>    6. mailto:treasurer at lp.org
>>    7. mailto:treasurer at lp.org
>>    8. mailto:secretary at lp.org
>>    9. mailto:secretary at lp.org
>>   10. mailto:william.redpath at lp.org
>>   11. mailto:william.redpath at lp.org
>>   12. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>   13. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>   14. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>>   15. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>>   16. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
>>   17. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
>>   18. mailto:joshua.katz at lp.org
>>   19. mailto:joshua.katz at lp.org
>>   20. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>   21. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>   22. mailto:steven.nielson at lp.org
>>   23. mailto:steven.nielson at lp.org
>>   24. mailto:ed.marsh at lp.org
>>   25. mailto:ed.marsh at lp.org
>>   26. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
>>   27. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
>>   28. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>   29. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>   30. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
>>   31. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
>>   32. mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
>>   33. mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
>>   34. mailto:aaron.starr at lp.org
>>   35. mailto:aaron.starr at lp.org
>>   36. mailto:james.lark at lp.org
>>   37. mailto:james.lark at lp.org
>>   38. mailto:trent.somes at lp.org
>>   39. mailto:trent.somes at lp.org
>>   40. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
>>   41. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
>>   42. mailto:sean.otoole at lp.org
>>   43. mailto:sean.otoole at lp.org
>>   44. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   45. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   46. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
>>   47. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
>>   48. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>>   49. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>>   50. mailto:larry.sharpe at lp.org
>>   51. mailto:larry.sharpe at lp.org
>>   52. tel:(313) 247-2052
>> 
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