[Lnc-business] Fwd: The impending purge of Arvin Vohra

[david.demarest at lp.org]

When you are prepared to back up your weak arguments with facts, due 
diligence and an appeal to reason, I will be more impressed. Evidently, 
the "ends justifies the means" is your communication mantra.

Further, it appears that you are characterizing passionate confirmation 
backed up by an appeal to reason as "authoritarian". Interesting 
concept, albeit a bit sloppy in the application of reason. Well, 
whatever works to hang Arvin, I guess.

Well, let's get it out of our system and move on.

On 2018-01-20 04:31, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
> Comparisons to witch-hunts, selling our souls, slavery, and Nazi's?!
> 
> I haven't seen so many hyperbolic false comparisons outside a poorly
> moderated 4chan forum,  Hell, children know not to Godwin a thread.
> 
> As for your question:  "Do you wonder why I always choose to vote my
> conscience?"
> 
> I don't wonder. It appears you're an authoritarian. The stance of, "my
> conscience", allows you to always have your way.
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 
> On 2018-01-20 05:03, david.demarest at lp.org wrote:
>> So, in the fortunately unlikely scenario where the majority within a
>> region decides to support building Trump's wall or a return to
>> segregation or slavery, regional reps will be expected to follow the
>> Nazi mantra of "We obey orders" and vote with the regional majority?
>> Roll over, Murray Rothbard! [substitute your favorite deceased
>> Libertarian hero].
>> 
>> Majorities are always right. Oh, and by the way, catering to the will
>> of the majority just happens to be the easiest and proven way to get
>> elected. That moral stance makes Arvin's supposed sins look like an
>> accidental use of a cuss word in church. Wow! I wonder where personal
>> dictates of conscience fit into the this picture or are they totally
>> irrelevant in representative democracy? Do you wonder why I always
>> choose to vote my conscience?
>> 
>> The desperate maneuver to include the suspension motion with a
>> two-thirds threshold in the censure motion with a simple majority
>> criteria is instructive on how far the anti-Arvin faction is willing
>> to go to get their way. If suspension is added to the censure motion,
>> I will withdraw my offer to co-sponsor.
>> 
>> Good grief - enough of this witch hunt already! Let's leave the
>> hanging up to convention delegates where it belongs and get back to
>> more important business. We were elected to move the Overton Window
>> pointer in the direction of freedom. We were not elected to waste time
>> with self-righteous posturing, disingenuous political-correctness
>> maneuvering, selling our souls to get votes, and squabbling about how
>> to censor free speech.
>> 
>> Let's get back to acting like personal responsibility and social
>> tolerance Libertarians.
>> 
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>> LNC Region 6 Representative
>> 
>> On 2018-01-20 01:48, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>> Copying this for the LNC list.
>>>    I spoke briefly with Mr. Boman on social media.  Regional
>>>    Representatives should do the will of their Region, and Mr. Boman 
>>> is
>>>    not in my region.  Regional Representatives are accountable to 
>>> their
>>>    state chairs as per our Bylaws unless the regional agreement says
>>>    otherwise.  I promised at my election to follow the procedure I am
>>>    following and thus upon which I was elected.  I do not betray my
>>>    promises.
>>>    Some points though need to be addressed.
>>>    1.  There isn't a "poorly publicized meeting" as no meeting has 
>>> been
>>>    set.  One cannot publicize something that is not scheduled.  Our
>>>    discussions are far from poorly publicized.  Any member can read 
>>> every
>>>    single LNC discussion if they avail themselves of it.
>>>    2.  One thing the LNC is not is operating under a cover of 
>>> darkness.
>>>    That is unwarranted hyperbole that is not cognizant of the 
>>> tremendous
>>>    transparency we do have compared to LNC subcommittees and other
>>>    organizations.
>>>    3.  No, Mr. Vohra was not elected on this agenda.  He is forcing
>>>    unwilling people to be associated with his pet topics because he 
>>> has
>>>    decided he knows what is good for everyone.  That is not 
>>> acceptable to
>>>    me.
>>>    4.  The Bylaws give this option.  The Bylaws that were not changed 
>>> last
>>>    convention and represent the rules of this Body.  The same Bylaws 
>>> that
>>>    delegates voted to give this Body the discretion to do.  I will be
>>>    campaigning for a change to have a direct right of recall but that 
>>> does
>>>    not exist right now, and thus, this is properly in our purview.
>>>    5.  As far as diversity and "not them."  I beg to differ.  I am a
>>>    radical anarchist.  Just like Mr. Vohra.  This has nothing to do 
>>> with
>>>    "not them" and factionalism for me.
>>>    I await the final instruction from my Regional Chairs.
>>>    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>    From: Scotty Boman <[1]scottyboman at hotmail.com>
>>>    Date: Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:21 AM
>>>    Subject: The impending purge of Arvin Vohra
>>>    To: "[2]chair at lp.org" <[3]chair at lp.org>, "[4]vicechair at lp.org"
>>>    <[5]vicechair at lp.org>, "[6]treasurer at lp.org" 
>>> <[7]treasurer at lp.org>,
>>>    "[8]secretary at lp.org" <[9]secretary at lp.org>,
>>>    "[10]william.redpath at lp.org" <[11]william.redpath at lp.org>,
>>>    "[12]sam.goldstein at lp.org" <[13]sam.goldstein at lp.org>,
>>>    "[14]starchild at lp.org" <[15]starchild at lp.org>,
>>>    "[16]daniel.hayes at lp.org" <[17]daniel.hayes at lp.org>,
>>>    "[18]joshua.katz at lp.org" <[19]joshua.katz at lp.org>,
>>>    "[20]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org" <[21]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>,
>>>    "[22]steven.nielson at lp.org" <[23]steven.nielson at lp.org>,
>>>    "[24]ed.marsh at lp.org" <[25]ed.marsh at lp.org>,
>>>    "[26]steven.nekhaila at lp.org" <[27]steven.nekhaila at lp.org>,
>>>    "[28]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org" <[29]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>,
>>>    "[30]dustin.nanna at lp.org" <[31]dustin.nanna at lp.org>,
>>>    "[32]jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org" <[33]jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org>,
>>>    "[34]aaron.starr at lp.org" <[35]aaron.starr at lp.org>,
>>>    "[36]james.lark at lp.org" <[37]james.lark at lp.org>,
>>>    "[38]trent.somes at lp.org" <[39]trent.somes at lp.org>,
>>>    "[40]david.demarest at lp.org" <[41]david.demarest at lp.org>,
>>>    "[42]sean.otoole at lp.org" <[43]sean.otoole at lp.org>,
>>>    "[44]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org" <[45]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>,
>>>    "[46]erin.adams at lp.org" <[47]erin.adams at lp.org>,
>>>    "[48]patrick.mcknight at lp.org" <[49]patrick.mcknight at lp.org>,
>>>    "[50]larry.sharpe at lp.org" <[51]larry.sharpe at lp.org>
>>> 
>>>    Honorable LEC Members:
>>>    I recently learned that you will soon be voting on the removal of 
>>> Arvin
>>>    Vohra from his office as Vice Chair.  In researching what actions 
>>> by
>>>    Arvin justified this, I have learned that there is nothing new or
>>>    exceptional about his conduct that would warrant said removal.  I 
>>> base
>>>    this conclusion primarily on the words of the very people who want 
>>> him
>>>    removed.
>>>    While there were some disturbing labels being pasted on him, all
>>>    examples of substance showed that his critics wanted him to be 
>>> removed
>>>    for being the same person he was when he was elected by the 
>>> delegation
>>>    in 2016.  He is philosophically purist (AKA consistent). He is
>>>    abrasively direct. He doesn't avoid third-rail issues. So there is 
>>> no
>>>    new heinous sin that calls for an exceptional action as the one 
>>> being
>>>    voted on.  If there was, I would have a different opinion than the 
>>> one
>>>    I'm expressing now.
>>>    What we have then is a faction of LNC members who hope to have the
>>>    numbers to purge someone who is other then them.  This is the kind 
>>> of
>>>    in-fighting that has been eating away at our party from the 
>>> inside.  It
>>>    is also a slap in the face to the delegates who elected a diverse 
>>> LNC
>>>    with the hope that you could all advance the Party together rather 
>>> than
>>>    trying to undo the will of the body.
>>>    I was a delegate to the Convention in Orlando. I was part of the 
>>> body
>>>    that elected many of you.  Even if you don't think Arvin Vohra was 
>>> the
>>>    best choice for Vice Chair, he was the choice of the majority of
>>>    national convention delegates. The idea that a small committee ( 
>>> that
>>>    was elected the same way ) believes they have the moral authority 
>>> to
>>>    over-ride the people who elected them is repugnant. If you don't
>>>    respect our choices, then you have no right to expect our support.
>>>    Even regional representatives were chosen by delegates at that
>>>    convention (from their region), not just state chairs.
>>>    If Arvin is removed by your vote, you will set a harmful 
>>> precedent.
>>>    Not only will delegates be considering the talents, views or 
>>> outreach
>>>    styles of candidates; they will need to avoid giving any faction a
>>>    majority for fear that the diversity they voted for will be 
>>> destroyed
>>>    by internal purges after the Convention closes.
>>>    The next convention is only a few months away. This is the 
>>> appropriate
>>>    place to remove and elect officers, not under cover of darkness in 
>>> a
>>>    poorly publicized meeting.
>>>    Please have that much respect for the delegates.  I have publicly,
>>>    pledged to actively campaign against the election of any LNC 
>>> member,
>>>    who votes against the choice of the 2016 delegation, to any post 
>>> in the
>>>    LNC.
>>>    In liberty,
>>>    Scotty Boman
>>>    Libertarian Party Member
>>>    [52](313) 247-2052
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>>    1. mailto:scottyboman at hotmail.com
>>>    2. mailto:chair at lp.org
>>>    3. mailto:chair at lp.org
>>>    4. mailto:vicechair at lp.org
>>>    5. mailto:vicechair at lp.org
>>>    6. mailto:treasurer at lp.org
>>>    7. mailto:treasurer at lp.org
>>>    8. mailto:secretary at lp.org
>>>    9. mailto:secretary at lp.org
>>>   10. mailto:william.redpath at lp.org
>>>   11. mailto:william.redpath at lp.org
>>>   12. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>   13. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>   14. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>>>   15. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>>>   16. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
>>>   17. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
>>>   18. mailto:joshua.katz at lp.org
>>>   19. mailto:joshua.katz at lp.org
>>>   20. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>   21. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>   22. mailto:steven.nielson at lp.org
>>>   23. mailto:steven.nielson at lp.org
>>>   24. mailto:ed.marsh at lp.org
>>>   25. mailto:ed.marsh at lp.org
>>>   26. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
>>>   27. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
>>>   28. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>   29. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>   30. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
>>>   31. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
>>>   32. mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
>>>   33. mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
>>>   34. mailto:aaron.starr at lp.org
>>>   35. mailto:aaron.starr at lp.org
>>>   36. mailto:james.lark at lp.org
>>>   37. mailto:james.lark at lp.org
>>>   38. mailto:trent.somes at lp.org
>>>   39. mailto:trent.somes at lp.org
>>>   40. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
>>>   41. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
>>>   42. mailto:sean.otoole at lp.org
>>>   43. mailto:sean.otoole at lp.org
>>>   44. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>   45. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>   46. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
>>>   47. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
>>>   48. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>>>   49. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>>>   50. mailto:larry.sharpe at lp.org
>>>   51. mailto:larry.sharpe at lp.org
>>>   52. tel:(313) 247-2052
>>> 
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