[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-03: Censure of Arvin Vohra

[Joshua Katz]

I will figure out which email ballots to cosponsor (again, without saying
I'll vote for them) if it turns out there are no longer 6 members agreeing
to an electronic meeting.  I much prefer to discuss this by electronic
meeting, and I think the email thread I am responding to demonstrates why.
Issues of wording can generate long threads without resolution (as we've
amply demonstrated) but be resolved in a few minutes through motions to
amend.  A meeting will be more efficient, more focused, and more decisive,
in my view.

Joshua A. Katz


On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

>    Words matter, and this is a perfect example of someone who might
>    support a generic concept of censure having to oppose the details of
>    the motion wording.
>    Censure (and more) is warranted here, however, I cannot vote for a
>    motion which claims the outrageous comments which were made by Mr.
>    Vohra are "libertarian ideas", and that our leaders and candidates are
>    trying to win hearts and minds for those ideas espoused by Mr. Vohra,
>    just stated in a different way.
>    Our platform says "consenting adults" and that our recognition of
>    parental roles does not condone abuse.  Our platform does not say, "If
>    your having sex leads to kids that you can't afford, and we have to pay
>    for, please don't have sex.  Else: not our business."  Etc.
>    I still seek cosponsors for yesterday's proposed wording of a motion
>    for suspension.
>    I will formally cast my vote on this motion later, as timing may matter
>    if there is to be an electronic meeting.
>    -Alicia
>
>    On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Alicia Mattson
>    <[1]agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>    We have an electronic mail ballot.
>    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30, 2018 at
>    11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>
>    Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
>    Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated public
>    comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an inflammatory and
>    sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian leaders and
>    candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for those ideas.
>    -Alicia
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:agmattson at gmail.com
>
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   I will figure out which email ballots to cosponsor (again, without
   saying I'll vote for them) if it turns out there are no longer 6
   members agreeing to an electronic meeting.  I much prefer to discuss
   this by electronic meeting, and I think the email thread I am
   responding to demonstrates why.  Issues of wording can generate long
   threads without resolution (as we've amply demonstrated) but be
   resolved in a few minutes through motions to amend.  A meeting will be
   more efficient, more focused, and more decisive, in my view.

   Joshua A. Katz
   On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Alicia Mattson
   <[1]agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

        Words matter, and this is a perfect example of someone who might
        support a generic concept of censure having to oppose the details
     of
        the motion wording.
        Censure (and more) is warranted here, however, I cannot vote for
     a
        motion which claims the outrageous comments which were made by
     Mr.
        Vohra are "libertarian ideas", and that our leaders and
     candidates are
        trying to win hearts and minds for those ideas espoused by Mr.
     Vohra,
        just stated in a different way.
        Our platform says "consenting adults" and that our recognition of
        parental roles does not condone abuse.  Our platform does not
     say, "If
        your having sex leads to kids that you can't afford, and we have
     to pay
        for, please don't have sex.  Else: not our business."  Etc.
        I still seek cosponsors for yesterday's proposed wording of a
     motion
        for suspension.
        I will formally cast my vote on this motion later, as timing may
     matter
        if there is to be an electronic meeting.
        -Alicia

      On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Alicia Mattson
      <[1][2]agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
      We have an electronic mail ballot.
      Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30, 2018 at
      11:59:59pm Pacific time.
      Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
      Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated public
      comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an inflammatory
   and
      sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian leaders and
      candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for those
   ideas.
      -Alicia

     References
        1. mailto:[3]agmattson at gmail.com
     _______________________________________________
     Lnc-business mailing list
     [4]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     [5]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business

References

   1. mailto:agmattson at gmail.com
   2. mailto:agmattson at gmail.com
   3. mailto:agmattson at gmail.com
   4. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business