[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-03: Censure of Arvin Vohra

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Mon Jan 22 20:47:42 EST 2018


I still favor the electronic meeting.

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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/

On 2018-01-22 20:36, Joshua Katz wrote:
> It appears this email ballot has replaced the drive for an electronic
>    meeting.  I fear that, if this motion fails, this means the ordeal 
> will
>    not end, and that instead other email ballots will be forthcoming.  
> In
>    fact, should it fail, I am inclined to cosponsor one.
>    I am not yet ready to vote.  Instead, I write to argue some points 
> in
>    favor, and some against.  I look forward to seeing the debate 
> develop
>    further, now that we have before us a precise action to debate, and
>    intend to base my vote on any further points raised.  For now, I 
> remain
>    strongly inclined to vote no.
>    First, I will address the wording briefly.  I deny that Mr. Vohra 
> has
>    presented libertarian ideas in some, but not all, of his posts.  
> This
>    motion, though, clearly refers to his most recent remarks, and I 
> deny
>    that they are grounded in libertarian ideas.  As you know, I argue 
> in
>    favor of a large libertarian tent.  I think much belongs in the 
> broad
>    libertarian tradition.  That said, there is a line.  In my opinion,
>    while the line-drawing exercise is a separate topic, just as day is 
> not
>    night despite the existence of dusk, so too is there a rather large
>    area of actions so contrary to developmental and societal norms as 
> to
>    be far outside libertarian inquiry.  I defend line-drawing, but do 
> not
>    think that criticisms of it fail to be libertarian.  On the other 
> hand,
>    the denial that there is a zone of unacceptability is, in my view,
>    utterly morally indefensible and shocking to the conscience.
>    Yet, even recently, some of Mr. Vohra's points have been well within
>    our libertarian tradition.  The abuse of SORs is an affront to 
> liberty,
>    and we must end it.  Yet we can take action to end of restrict it, 
> or
>    we can simply speak words which make it harder to address.  I 
> believe
>    Mr. Vohra's recent actions fall into the latter category, and to 
> that
>    extent, and only that extent, I agree with the factual claims of the
>    motion.
>    Yet, I ask, so what?  Is my strong moral disgust with his words 
> reason
>    to censure?  The Vice Chair, it is true, sometimes speaks for the
>    Party.  Even when he speaks individually, he is perceived as 
> speaking
>    for us.  He has made it clear, both through his actions and his 
> words,
>    that he intends to drag this Party in the direction he wishes to go,
>    one I find utterly unlikely to succeed, morally inferior, and, in 
> point
>    of of fact, one in which I simply will never go.  If he succeeds in 
> his
>    project, it will be without me.  It is clear to me, though, from our
>    members' reactions, that he will not succeed.  His remarks do make 
> me
>    less proud, perhaps even ashamed, to present myself as a 
> Libertarian,
>    until I remember their low reach among the general public.  I am 
> proud
>    to stand for my notion of what liberty means.  I will not be forced 
> to
>    stand for a concept of liberty I find detestable, unfree, and 
> immoral.
>    At the same time, I am concerned about the consequences of this 
> board
>    choosing to monitor the off-work statements of its members, and 
> assign
>    censure for them.  Will we stick to what I consider detestable - 
> and,
>    if we do, should that be enough to reassure me that doing so is 
> fine?
>    Many have written, asking us to take some form of action, and
>    prophesying grave consequences if we do not.  Some of these,
>    particularly the internal, I do not doubt.  Others, I doubt.  Before
>    turning to those doubts, though, I will weigh in on an issue which 
> has
>    been much discussed already here.  In keeping with every corporate
>    code, our Articles of Incorporation, and our bylaws, I believe we 
> are
>    here to be leaders, not in a purely representative capacity.  During
>    region formation, I pushed for, and received, a provision making it
>    easier than in past agreements to remove our rep and alternate.  I
>    explained my reasons then: I intended to act as I saw best, for the
>    organization's health.  Certainly, input from the region would form 
> a
>    part of my judgment, but in the end, my judgment would be my own.
>    Given that, I wanted my region to have an easy solution if my 
> actions
>    did not comport with its vision.  In fact, I also made clear that it
>    would take less than the regional agreement said to remove me, that 
> I
>    would resign if I felt there was widespread dissatisfaction with my
>    votes.  I am no longer a regional alternate, though - and now feel 
> the
>    same way about the national party, except that "widespread" is
>    obviously a higher threshold.  Others feel differently, and that is
>    fine with me, so long as we all keep in mind that we, and no one 
> else,
>    are the fiduciaries, that we, and no one else, will be held 
> responsible
>    for the Party's health.
>    Another reason for this model is precisely the current situation.
>    Reactions and overreactions to individual incidents call for sober
>    reflection.  Our members depend on us to provide that.  Yet another
>    reason, perhaps the most important to me personally, is that we 
> serve
>    more than our members.  A party is, in some sense, like a benefit
>    corporation.  It has many stakeholders beyond its membership.  
> Notably,
>    it serves the voters.  67% of voters want a viable third party.  It 
> is
>    a mistake to say they should all vote Libertarian, of course, since
>    many do not agree with our views and values.  However, the public
>    desire for better candidates and a better party does make it 
> incumbent
>    on us to try to provide one.  We must often look beyond our narrow
>    interests and to the society in which we exist.
>    Which brings me to my next point.  While Mr. Vohra's comments are, 
> in
>    my view, harmful, they also bring to the surface other issues.  I
>    haven't conducted the polling, but I have some predictions.  If I
>    polled random voters, statistically none would know who our Vice 
> Chair
>    is - just as statistically none would know the Vice Chairs of other
>    parties.  If I polled voters of a particular party, the results 
> would
>    vary.  Statistically no Republicans would know who their Vice Chair
>    is.  Statistically no Democrats would know who their Vice Chair is.
>    Statistically, a rather significant portion of our voters would know
>    who our Vice Chair is.  The difference is that we are following a
>    non-scalable model.  We simply cannot be successful at the polls and
>    maintain that number, and we act far more often in ways that 
> maintain
>    our closed-circle nature than that aim for success at the polls.  
> Ronna
>    McDaniels says, in response to outrageous tweets from a far more 
> public
>    figure than Mr. Vohra, that she has an organization to run and 
> doesn't
>    have time to comment.  We exchange hundreds of emails when our Vice
>    Chair says something outrageous.
>    We are not serving the voters.  We are serving ourselves, and we are
>    doing it with money donated, in part, for us to serve the public.  
> This
>    is a shame, and this is the source of our current woes.  We speak 
> about
>    harming our candidates, yet I firmly believe any candidate can, 
> right
>    now, go walk doors and hear 0 questions about Mr. Vohra.  I have no
>    doubt, of course, that some of our candidates can be harmed, if 
> their
>    opponents take the time to research our party, manage to find Mr.
>    Vohra's comments which are not on any of our accounts (of course, if
>    our members, and our detractors, choose to comment about them on our
>    accounts, this will be far easier), and then to link our candidates 
> to
>    them.  This is a serious concern for some candidates, and if I heard
>    from those candidates that a motion like this would help their
>    campaigns, that might make a difference to me.  I have heard nothing
>    from those candidates.  Our social media bubbles have convinced us 
> that
>    the world knows and cares.  It does not.  The actual concern is that
>    candidates themselves drop out, activists themselves leave, and so 
> on,
>    in response to these comments.  These are serious concerns: we need
>    candidates, we need activists, we need donors.  Yet they cannot be 
> our
>    voting base, and we cannot serve only their interests.  In fact, 
> those
>    observations are related.  Other parties do not hemorrhage 
> candidates,
>    activists, and donors every time their Vice Chair says something,
>    because their candidates, activists, and donors are not running, 
> being
>    active, and donating based on those sorts of internal concerns.
>    Rather, their candidates run for their electoral base.  Their 
> activists
>    volunteer to expand their electoral base.  Their donors donate to 
> make
>    action happen, to make laws change - because they have an electoral
>    base to sweep them to office, so long as work is done to fill the
>    narrow gap remaining.
>    The motions about Mr. Vohra are about people within our party being
>    upset.  We should react to such concerns, but they should not be the
>    only concerns to which we react.
>    Finally, we should respect the views of our delegates, who vote to 
> form
>    a board expressing the aggregate of their individual preferences
>    (within the limits imposed by Arrow's Theorem).  I disagree with 
> those
>    who say the delegates did not know what they were getting.  Perhaps 
> as
>    a factual matter that is true, I can't say.  But they could have, 
> and
>    should have, known what they were getting, and I consider their vote 
> to
>    be expressing a preference in that regard.  It is not our role to
>    reverse them or, depending on how we see it, to save them.  This 
> Party
>    is ultimately ruled by the delegates, and we, should we choose to 
> serve
>    on this board, must live within their decisions (as restricted by
>    corporate codes and bylaws).  Censure is, in this regard, far 
> different
>    from removal, but arises from the same place.
> 
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>    Joshua A. Katz
>    On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Alicia Mattson
>    <[2]agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>         We have an electronic mail ballot.
>         Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30, 2018 at
>         11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>         Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
>         Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated
>      public
>         comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an
>      inflammatory and
>         sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian leaders
>      and
>         candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for those
>      ideas.
>         -Alicia
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