[Lnc-business] Accountability and frugality on LNC meeting expenses
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Jan 26 00:17:16 EST 2018
I find we make better decisions with the personal face to face contact with
key staffers. Having both Wes and Lauren there last time was EXTREMELY
helpful with budgeting questions. And a relationship develops. Human
contact on a team is priceless.
And with the meeting, fundraisers are optional and those are advertised as
parties. Meeting is business and any single female member that would like
to come, it should be reasonably welcome. As I said, I would not go to
some house to sit in a meeting with a bunch of people I didn't know at a
house I didn't know. Any woman who would do that should perhaps check on
her safety routines. I used to work in retail. I was assaulted in a
parking lot even of a public space - I have female friends who have been.
Several of my jobs have given seminars on personal safety for women
traveling alone, and from that training, that simply is not something I
would do.
Whether statistically justifiable or not, women nearly universally report
heightened levels of fear and concern in unfamiliar places as opposed to
men. Perhaps you do, but I don't walk alone anywhere without checking to
see if I am being followed. I don't take the same route home if I can
avoid it (choose a route with multiple turns so that I can see if I am
being followed). This is not an uncommon practice for solo women.
Honestly Starchild, I have explained this, and though you might not find
the distinction reasonable (and each party we have had, I have known the
host - there may be some I will not attend - and I usually go with several
men if you have not noticed), I find this repeated request for me to
justify my safety and comfort level offputting.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Starchild <starchild at lp.org> wrote:
> Caryn Ann,
>
> I'm curious why you think flying up to three staffers to our meetings,
> and taking them away from their work at the office, is a good use of
> party funds when they could be reached by phone if needed.
>
> I can understand having one come out, to coordinate shipping equipment
> for recording the meeting, some outreach materials, and others
> supplies, set up donor meetings, etc., but is more really necessary and
> being frugal with our members' funds?
>
> Regarding free meeting spaces, I hear your concerns, but I still fail
> to understand why you see an issue with meeting at a member's home
> during the day for a formal public meeting, but see no issues with
> having an official fundraiser at a member's home at night where it's
> more of a party atmosphere and there is typically abundant alcohol
> present.*
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
> ((( starchild )))
>
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
> [1]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
>
> *Not that alcohol is never present at LNC meetings, but its appearance
> tends to be sparse. Now that Ken Moellman has resigned, I'm thinking
> maybe I should take up his informal practice of bringing whiskey at the
> end of our meetings, lest we lose this valuable tradition. :-)
>
> On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I have come to change my mind on staffers and agree with David.
> And also, I am not in favour of "free meeting spaces" (not the
> concept,
> but usually how it works out - I do not want to meet in someone's
> home
> - if there was some area meeting centre - those are rarely free - but
> that would be fine.... some small states have their conventions in
> Elks
> or Moose Lodges). And there are Libertarians who have more public
> spaces that they own that they may be willing to donate space for a
> meeting.
> I know a lot of people do not grok my absolute opposition to meeting
> in
> homes, but I have had members reading this list who thanked me as
> they
> have the same concerns.
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 9:27 PM, <[1]dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will co-sponsor, but only if the motion is amended to three
> staff
> members approved in advance by the Chair or some other approval
> mechanism acceptable to the LNC body. The rest of the motion
> content is
> excellent. The Executive Director and the Operations Manager
> should
> always be there. The logical third staff member would often be
> the
> Development Director but could be other solo appearances, but
> only if
> justified by the agenda and approved in advance by the Chair.
> ~David Pratt Demarest
> Region 6 Representative
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:[2]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On
> Behalf Of
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:00 PM
> To: [3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] P.S. � Re: MOTION: Re: August LNC
> meeting
> I will co-sponsor
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 4:33 PM Starchild
> <[1][4]sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> In support of this motion, I'd just like to share a few quotes
> from
> the
> latest LP fundraising letter signed by our chair, which happened
> to
> arrive in my mail today:
> "We have a small team and we are very thoughtful about how we use
> our
> resources."
> "We always seek to produce high quality work on a thrifty budget."
> "When you give to the Libertarian Party, you can rest assured that
> we
> work hard to get the maximum effect from your investment."
> [boldface
> in
> original letter]
> I urge my colleagues on the LNC to join me in seeking to ensure
> that
> we
> live up to these claims when it comes to that part of the party
> budget
> which most directly relates to us as representatives, and not give
> anyone reason to accuse us of telling our donors one thing but
> doing
> something different in practice.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
> On Mar 14, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Starchild wrote:
> I'm fairly agnostic on where we meet Joshua (though see below),
> but
> if
> it were to be Minneapolis, I'd be much more interested in hearing
> about
> what the Cyrstal Libertarians accomplished with their city council
> majority once they had it. We've all heard plenty about how to get
> elected (including, for those who called in, the informative
> teleconference you and Brett Bittner hosted just a few weeks ago
> on
> the
> topic), but we pay too little attention, in my opinion, to what
> Libertarians actually do once in office. Important to remember
> that
> winning office is a means to an end, not the end in itself. The
> goal
> is
> to advance freedom. The more we can show that to be happening when
> Libertarians hold office, the more reason voters have to elect us.
> As usual with our meetings, I'll look more favorably on locations
> that:
> � save the LP money by not paying for meeting room rentals and
> related
> expenses (e.g. catered food/beverages)
> � have locals willing to host traveling LNC members or others
> coming
> to
> the meeting in order to avoid/reduce lodging expenses
> � have party affiliates who want to host an LNC meeting in their
> area
> and haven't done so before or recently
> � have tie-ins with local (L)ibertarian activism or events
> Related to saving the party money on this meeting (and on future
> meetings by improving meeting cost transparency), I also make the
> following motion, and ask for co-sponsors:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> ------------------------------------------------
> Moved, that no more than one party staff member maximum be flown
> to
> the
> August meeting at party expense, that staff looking into meeting
> locations be directed to prioritize looking for locations that
> will
> not
> require any room rental fee or related fees/obligations (e.g.
> buying
> a
> certain amount of food, filling a block of hotel rooms, etc.), and
> that
> the LNC be informed within a reasonable length of time after each
> meeting of the total cost to the party of that meeting and the
> breakdown of expenses making up that cost, including amounts paid
> for
> flights, shipping, food, etc.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> ------------------------------------------------
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
> On Mar 14, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:
> I suggest Minneapolis, which is near Crystal, Minnesota, where
> Libertarians used to be a majority on the city council. This
> would
> enable us to have a session, maybe over lunch, where we can hear
> about
> how they won that majority.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Sam Goldstein
> <[2][5]goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear LNC members,
> Many of us are in the midst of planning our summers and I think
> it is
> time
> that we take up the issue of where to have our meeting scheduled
> for
> August 19-20, 2017.
> I'm in favor of moving west for this one. Let's get the ball
> rolling
> with suggestions of locations and sites so we can narrow it down
> over
> the next couple weeks and perhaps have a decision done by our
> April
> meeting.
> Thanks and
> Live Free,
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> [3]317-850-0726 Phone
> [4]317-582-1773 Fax
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I find we make better decisions with the personal face to face contact
with key staffers. Having both Wes and Lauren there last time was
EXTREMELY helpful with budgeting questions. And a relationship
develops. Human contact on a team is priceless.
And with the meeting, fundraisers are optional and those are advertised
as parties. Meeting is business and any single female member that
would like to come, it should be reasonably welcome. As I said, I
would not go to some house to sit in a meeting with a bunch of people I
didn't know at a house I didn't know. Any woman who would do that
should perhaps check on her safety routines. I used to work in
retail. I was assaulted in a parking lot even of a public space - I
have female friends who have been. Several of my jobs have given
seminars on personal safety for women traveling alone, and from that
training, that simply is not something I would do.
Whether statistically justifiable or not, women nearly universally
report heightened levels of fear and concern in unfamiliar places as
opposed to men. Perhaps you do, but I don't walk alone anywhere
without checking to see if I am being followed. I don't take the same
route home if I can avoid it (choose a route with multiple turns so
that I can see if I am being followed). This is not an uncommon
practice for solo women.
Honestly Starchild, I have explained this, and though you might not
find the distinction reasonable (and each party we have had, I have
known the host - there may be some I will not attend - and I usually go
with several men if you have not noticed), I find this repeated request
for me to justify my safety and comfort level offputting.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Starchild <[1]starchild at lp.org>
wrote:
Caryn Ann,
I'm curious why you think flying up to three staffers to our
meetings,
and taking them away from their work at the office, is a good use
of
party funds when they could be reached by phone if needed.
I can understand having one come out, to coordinate shipping
equipment
for recording the meeting, some outreach materials, and others
supplies, set up donor meetings, etc., but is more really
necessary and
being frugal with our members' funds?
Regarding free meeting spaces, I hear your concerns, but I still
fail
to understand why you see an issue with meeting at a member's
home
during the day for a formal public meeting, but see no issues
with
having an official fundraiser at a member's home at night where
it's
more of a party atmosphere and there is typically abundant
alcohol
present.*
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[1][2]RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
*Not that alcohol is never present at LNC meetings, but its
appearance
tends to be sparse. Now that Ken Moellman has resigned, I'm
thinking
maybe I should take up his informal practice of bringing whiskey
at the
end of our meetings, lest we lose this valuable tradition. :-)
On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
I have come to change my mind on staffers and agree with David.
And also, I am not in favour of "free meeting spaces" (not the
concept,
but usually how it works out - I do not want to meet in
someone's
home
- if there was some area meeting centre - those are rarely free
- but
that would be fine.... some small states have their conventions
in
Elks
or Moose Lodges). And there are Libertarians who have more
public
spaces that they own that they may be willing to donate space
for a
meeting.
I know a lot of people do not grok my absolute opposition to
meeting
in
homes, but I have had members reading this list who thanked me
as
they
have the same concerns.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 9:27 PM,
<[1][3]dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
I will co-sponsor, but only if the motion is amended to
three
staff
members approved in advance by the Chair or some other
approval
mechanism acceptable to the LNC body. The rest of the
motion
content is
excellent. The Executive Director and the Operations
Manager
should
always be there. The logical third staff member would
often be
the
Development Director but could be other solo appearances,
but
only if
justified by the agenda and approved in advance by the
Chair.
~David Pratt Demarest
Region 6 Representative
From: Lnc-business [mailto:[2][4]lnc-business-
bounces at hq.lp.org] On
Behalf Of
Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:00 PM
To: [3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] P.S. � Re: MOTION: Re:
August LNC
meeting
I will co-sponsor
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 4:33 PM Starchild
<[1][4][6]sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
wrote:
In support of this motion, I'd just like to share a few quotes
from
the
latest LP fundraising letter signed by our chair, which
happened
to
arrive in my mail today:
"We have a small team and we are very thoughtful about how we
use
our
resources."
"We always seek to produce high quality work on a thrifty
budget."
"When you give to the Libertarian Party, you can rest assured
that
we
work hard to get the maximum effect from your investment."
[boldface
in
original letter]
I urge my colleagues on the LNC to join me in seeking to ensure
that
we
live up to these claims when it comes to that part of the party
budget
which most directly relates to us as representatives, and not
give
anyone reason to accuse us of telling our donors one thing but
doing
something different in practice.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(415) 625-FREE
@StarchildSF
On Mar 14, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Starchild wrote:
I'm fairly agnostic on where we meet Joshua (though see below),
but
if
it were to be Minneapolis, I'd be much more interested in
hearing
about
what the Cyrstal Libertarians accomplished with their city
council
majority once they had it. We've all heard plenty about how to
get
elected (including, for those who called in, the informative
teleconference you and Brett Bittner hosted just a few weeks
ago
on
the
topic), but we pay too little attention, in my opinion, to what
Libertarians actually do once in office. Important to remember
that
winning office is a means to an end, not the end in itself. The
goal
is
to advance freedom. The more we can show that to be happening
when
Libertarians hold office, the more reason voters have to elect
us.
As usual with our meetings, I'll look more favorably on
locations
that:
� save the LP money by not paying for meeting room rentals
and
related
expenses (e.g. catered food/beverages)
� have locals willing to host traveling LNC members or
others
coming
to
the meeting in order to avoid/reduce lodging expenses
� have party affiliates who want to host an LNC meeting in
their
area
and haven't done so before or recently
� have tie-ins with local (L)ibertarian activism or events
Related to saving the party money on this meeting (and on
future
meetings by improving meeting cost transparency), I also
make the
following motion, and ask for co-sponsors:
------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
------------------------------------------------
Moved, that no more than one party staff member maximum be
flown
to
the
August meeting at party expense, that staff looking into
meeting
locations be directed to prioritize looking for locations
that
will
not
require any room rental fee or related fees/obligations
(e.g.
buying
a
certain amount of food, filling a block of hotel rooms,
etc.), and
that
the LNC be informed within a reasonable length of time after
each
meeting of the total cost to the party of that meeting and
the
breakdown of expenses making up that cost, including amounts
paid
for
flights, shipping, food, etc.
------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
------------------------------------------------
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(415) 625-FREE
@StarchildSF
On Mar 14, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:
I suggest Minneapolis, which is near Crystal, Minnesota,
where
Libertarians used to be a majority on the city council.
This
would
enable us to have a session, maybe over lunch, where we can
hear
about
how they won that majority.
Joshua A. Katz
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Sam Goldstein
<[2][5][7]goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear LNC members,
Many of us are in the midst of planning our summers and I
think
it is
time
that we take up the issue of where to have our meeting
scheduled
for
August 19-20, 2017.
I'm in favor of moving west for this one. Let's get the ball
rolling
with suggestions of locations and sites so we can narrow it
down
over
the next couple weeks and perhaps have a decision done by our
April
meeting.
Thanks and
Live Free,
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
[3]317-850-0726 Phone
[4]317-582-1773 Fax
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16. mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net
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18. tel:(317) 850-0726
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29. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
30. mailto:dprattdemarest at gmail.com
31. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
32. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
33. mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net
34. mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
35. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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62. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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65. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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