[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-03: Censure of Arvin Vohra

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Jan 26 02:49:55 EST 2018 

Yes

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Ed Marsh <ed.marsh at lp.org> wrote:

> I vote NO on e-mail 2018-3
>  Ed Marsh
>  Region 2 Rep (Florida,Georgia,
>  Tennessee)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 23, 2018, at 11:07 AM, William Redpath <william.redpath at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I vote "Yes" on the Vohra censure.  Bill Redpath
> >
> >> On 2018-01-22 22:29, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
> >> I vote no.
> >> ----------------
> >> I might have voted in favor of the original censure motion by Jeff
> >> Hewitt. This recent censure motion isn't acceptable to me, as I
> >> disagree that Arvin was indeed espousing libertarian ideas.
> >> My objections are twofold:
> >> 1)  Libertarianism is not simply caring about ones own freedoms. It is
> >> caring about freedom for EVERYONE. Believing that YOU should be free
> >> from coercion, and believing that PEOPLE should be free from coercion,
> >> are two different ideas. One is selfishness, the other is
> >> libertarianism. Arvin's principle does not include concern for the
> >> freedom of others, it is primarily concerned with the impact it has on
> >> him.  If you are more concerned with money being taken from you than
> >> with the safety of children, then your concern isn't about freedom.
> >> It's about yourself.
> >> Arvin wasn't espousing libertarian ideas. Instead it was a form of
> >> ideological brutalism, which is well described by known libertarian
> >> anarchist, Jeffrey Tucker. I reject the notion that this is an
> >> anarchist stance versus minarchists. Instead it is a brutalization of
> >> libertarianism to become an abdication of responsibility.
> >> 2)  The censure is too little too late.  It's a band-aid for an gaping
> wound.
> >> ---
> >> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> >> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> >> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> >> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>> On 2018-01-20 22:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
> >>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>>   Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30, 2018 at
> >>>   11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> >>>   Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
> >>>   Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated public
> >>>   comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an inflammatory
> and
> >>>   sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian leaders and
> >>>   candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for those
> ideas.
> >>>   -Alicia
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   Yes

   On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Ed Marsh <[1]ed.marsh at lp.org> wrote:

     I vote NO on e-mail 2018-3
      Ed Marsh
      Region 2 Rep (Florida,Georgia,
      Tennessee)
     Sent from my iPhone

   > On Jan 23, 2018, at 11:07 AM, William Redpath
   <[2]william.redpath at lp.org> wrote:
   >
   > I vote "Yes" on the Vohra censure.  Bill Redpath
   >
   >> On 2018-01-22 22:29, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
   >> I vote no.
   >> ----------------
   >> I might have voted in favor of the original censure motion by Jeff
   >> Hewitt. This recent censure motion isn't acceptable to me, as I
   >> disagree that Arvin was indeed espousing libertarian ideas.
   >> My objections are twofold:
   >> 1)  Libertarianism is not simply caring about ones own freedoms. It
   is
   >> caring about freedom for EVERYONE. Believing that YOU should be free
   >> from coercion, and believing that PEOPLE should be free from
   coercion,
   >> are two different ideas. One is selfishness, the other is
   >> libertarianism. Arvin's principle does not include concern for the
   >> freedom of others, it is primarily concerned with the impact it has
   on
   >> him.  If you are more concerned with money being taken from you than
   >> with the safety of children, then your concern isn't about freedom.
   >> It's about yourself.
   >> Arvin wasn't espousing libertarian ideas. Instead it was a form of
   >> ideological brutalism, which is well described by known libertarian
   >> anarchist, Jeffrey Tucker. I reject the notion that this is an
   >> anarchist stance versus minarchists. Instead it is a brutalization
   of
   >> libertarianism to become an abdication of responsibility.
   >> 2)  The censure is too little too late.  It's a band-aid for an
   gaping wound.
   >> ---
   >> Elizabeth Van Horn
   >> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
   >> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
   >> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
   >> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
   >> [3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
   >>> On 2018-01-20 22:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
   >>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
   >>>   Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30, 2018 at
   >>>   11:59:59pm Pacific time.
   >>>   Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
   >>>   Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated
   public
   >>>   comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an
   inflammatory and
   >>>   sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian leaders
   and
   >>>   candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for those
   ideas.
   >>>   -Alicia
   >>> _______________________________________________
   >>> Lnc-business mailing list
   >>> [4]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >>> [5]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
   >> _______________________________________________
   >> Lnc-business mailing list
   >> [6]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   >> [7]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
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References

   1. mailto:ed.marsh at lp.org
   2. mailto:william.redpath at lp.org
   3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
   4. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
   6. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   7. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
   8. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   9. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  10. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  11. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business

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