[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-03: Censure of Arvin Vohra
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Jan 30 23:52:22 EST 2018
And of course that was not the point.
I would love to speak with Dr. Ruwart on this, the author of "The
Compassion of Libertarianism" about how we need less empathy and ya know,
if a 14 year old gets pregnant, might as well be a pervert with a job
rather than a broke kid. Because welfare.
This is called using people.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
> Forward from Dr. Mary Ruwart:
>
> “If such motions had circulated in the LNC in the early days of our
> Party, no LNC member would have spoken out against the War on Drugs,
> claimed that gays had rights, or pointed out that taxation was theft.
> All of these positions were considered inflammatory and offensive to
> the majority of people outside the LP for most of the 1980s, regardless
> of how carefully these positions were presented. Now, they are
> seriously embraced or considered across the political spectrum
> precisely because we spoke out. It’s impossible to affect serious
> change without offending some listeners. How can anyone believe that
> the LP supports free speech when its own members are punished for
> engaging in it?” ----Mary J. Ruwart
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:45 AM, <[1]david.demarest at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I change my vote to "YES" on the censure motion and ask others to
> vote 'YES' and request the cancellation of the electronic meeting to
> consider suspension.
> Arvin has audaciously and courageously challenged us to stop
> speaking in tongues about our Libertarian principles. He has
> correctly identified the fact that the opposition does a better job
> of describing our policy and positions than we do. We need to step
> up to the plate with equal courage and get us back on track toward
> our shared goal of freedom.
> It is time to end this game of Russian roulette that Ms. Mattson has
> aptly described as a circular firing squad, this
> political-correctness nightmare of timidity before voters and
> pandemic get-elected-itis at the expense of not only our principles
> but any semblance of rationality. We have done enough damage to the
> Libertarian cause. Let us cease this endless cycle of
> self-destruction before we plunge ourselves into a death-spiral of
> reworded censure motions.
> Good grief - enough already!
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> On 2018-01-29 22:11, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I hope my statement that the censure will fail is disproven. I am
> disappointed in the yes votes changing to no. This censure is
> woefully
> inadequate, but it is not as woefully inadequate as nothing at
> all.
> What we heard from Arvin is a defense of Trump tactics. That is
> not
> the LP I work for, recruit for, and donate for.
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Patrick McKnight
> <[1][2]patrick.mcknight at lp.org> wrote:
> I vote yes. However I feel censure is insufficient and look
> forward to
> the electronic meeting.
> Thanks,
> Patrick McKnight
> Region 8 Rep
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Tim Hagan
> <[1][2][3]tim.hagan at lp.org>
> wrote:
> I vote yes.
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> On 2018-01-20 19:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30,
> 2018 at
> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> Co-Sponsors: Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
> Motion: to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for
> repeated
> public
> comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an
> inflammatory
> and
> sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian
> leaders and
> candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for
> those
> ideas.
> -Alicia
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> 2. mailto:[10]tim.hagan at lp.org
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> 4. [12]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 5. mailto:[13]tim.hagan at lp.org
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> --
> Arvin Vohra
> [16]www.VoteVohra.com
> [17]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> (301) 320-3634
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 2. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 3. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 4. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 9. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 10. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 11. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 12. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 13. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 14. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 15. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 16. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 17. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>
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And of course that was not the point.
I would love to speak with Dr. Ruwart on this, the author of "The
Compassion of Libertarianism" about how we need less empathy and ya
know, if a 14 year old gets pregnant, might as well be a pervert with a
job rather than a broke kid. Because welfare.
This is called using people.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Arvin Vohra <[1]votevohra at gmail.com>
wrote:
Forward from Dr. Mary Ruwart:
“If such motions had circulated in the LNC in the early days of
our
Party, no LNC member would have spoken out against the War on
Drugs,
claimed that gays had rights, or pointed out that taxation was
theft.
All of these positions were considered inflammatory and offensive
to
the majority of people outside the LP for most of the 1980s,
regardless
of how carefully these positions were presented. Now, they are
seriously embraced or considered across the political spectrum
precisely because we spoke out. It’s impossible to affect serious
change without offending some listeners. How can anyone believe
that
the LP supports free speech when its own members are punished for
engaging in it?” ----Mary J. Ruwart
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:45 AM, <[1][2]david.demarest at lp.org>
wrote:
I change my vote to "YES" on the censure motion and ask others to
vote 'YES' and request the cancellation of the electronic meeting
to
consider suspension.
Arvin has audaciously and courageously challenged us to stop
speaking in tongues about our Libertarian principles. He has
correctly identified the fact that the opposition does a better
job
of describing our policy and positions than we do. We need to step
up to the plate with equal courage and get us back on track toward
our shared goal of freedom.
It is time to end this game of Russian roulette that Ms. Mattson
has
aptly described as a circular firing squad, this
political-correctness nightmare of timidity before voters and
pandemic get-elected-itis at the expense of not only our
principles
but any semblance of rationality. We have done enough damage to
the
Libertarian cause. Let us cease this endless cycle of
self-destruction before we plunge ourselves into a death-spiral of
reworded censure motions.
Good grief - enough already!
~David Pratt Demarest
On 2018-01-29 22:11, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
I hope my statement that the censure will fail is disproven. I am
disappointed in the yes votes changing to no. This censure is
woefully
inadequate, but it is not as woefully inadequate as nothing at
all.
What we heard from Arvin is a defense of Trump tactics. That
is
not
the LP I work for, recruit for, and donate for.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Patrick McKnight
<[1][2][3]patrick.mcknight at lp.org> wrote:
I vote yes. However I feel censure is insufficient and
look
forward to
the electronic meeting.
Thanks,
Patrick McKnight
Region 8 Rep
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Tim Hagan
<[1][2][3][4]tim.hagan at lp.org>
wrote:
I vote yes.
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2018-01-20 19:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30,
2018 at
11:59:59pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
Motion: to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for
repeated
public
comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an
inflammatory
and
sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian
leaders and
candidates for public office winning hearts and minds
for
those
ideas.
-Alicia
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Arvin Vohra
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[17][18]VoteVohra at gmail.com
[19](301) 320-3634
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16. [35]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
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4. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
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16. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
17. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
18. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
19. tel:(301) 320-3634
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28. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
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32. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
33. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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35. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
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