[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-03: Censure of Arvin Vohra

Arvin Vohra votevohra at gmail.com
Wed Jan 31 00:11:26 EST 2018


For those who haven't seen Dr. Ruwart's positions, which many would
classify as more extreme than mine:

http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/04/25/libertarian-presidential-front-runner-defends-child-porn/

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

>    And of course that was not the point.
>    I would love to speak with Dr. Ruwart on this, the author of "The
>    Compassion of Libertarianism" about how we need less empathy and ya
>    know, if a 14 year old gets pregnant, might as well be a pervert with a
>    job rather than a broke kid.  Because welfare.
>    This is called using people.
>
>    On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Arvin Vohra <[1]votevohra at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
>
>         Forward from Dr. Mary Ruwart:
>         “If such motions had circulated in the LNC in the early days of
>      our
>         Party, no LNC member would have spoken out against the War on
>      Drugs,
>         claimed that gays had rights, or pointed out that taxation was
>      theft.
>         All of these positions were considered inflammatory and offensive
>      to
>         the majority of people outside the LP for most of the 1980s,
>      regardless
>         of how carefully these positions were presented. Now, they are
>         seriously embraced or considered across the political spectrum
>         precisely because we spoke out. It’s impossible to affect serious
>         change without offending some listeners. How can anyone believe
>      that
>         the LP supports free speech when its own members are punished for
>         engaging in it?”  ----Mary J. Ruwart
>
>       On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:45 AM, <[1][2]david.demarest at lp.org>
>    wrote:
>         I change my vote to "YES" on the censure motion and ask others to
>         vote 'YES' and request the cancellation of the electronic meeting
>    to
>         consider suspension.
>         Arvin has audaciously and courageously challenged us to stop
>         speaking in tongues about our Libertarian principles. He has
>         correctly identified the fact that the opposition does a better
>    job
>         of describing our policy and positions than we do. We need to step
>         up to the plate with equal courage and get us back on track toward
>         our shared goal of freedom.
>         It is time to end this game of Russian roulette that Ms. Mattson
>    has
>         aptly described as a circular firing squad, this
>         political-correctness nightmare of timidity before voters and
>         pandemic get-elected-itis at the expense of not only our
>    principles
>         but any semblance of rationality. We have done enough damage to
>    the
>         Libertarian cause. Let us cease this endless cycle of
>         self-destruction before we plunge ourselves into a death-spiral of
>         reworded censure motions.
>         Good grief - enough already!
>         ~David Pratt Demarest
>       On 2018-01-29 22:11, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>         I hope my statement that the censure will fail is disproven.  I am
>            disappointed in the yes votes changing to no.  This censure is
>         woefully
>            inadequate, but it is not as woefully inadequate as nothing at
>         all.
>            What we heard from Arvin is a defense of Trump tactics.  That
>    is
>         not
>            the LP I work for, recruit for, and donate for.
>            On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Patrick McKnight
>
>              <[1][2][3]patrick.mcknight at lp.org> wrote:
>                   I vote yes. However I feel censure is insufficient and
>      look
>                forward to
>                   the electronic meeting.
>                   Thanks,
>                   Patrick McKnight
>                   Region 8 Rep
>                   On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Tim Hagan
>                <[1][2][3][4]tim.hagan at lp.org>
>
>                 wrote:
>                   I vote yes.
>                   ---
>                   Tim Hagan
>                   Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>                 On 2018-01-20 19:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>                 We have an electronic mail ballot.
>                    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30,
>         2018 at
>                    11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>                    Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
>                    Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for
>         repeated
>              public
>                    comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an
>              inflammatory
>                 and
>                    sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian
>              leaders and
>                    candidates for public office winning hearts and minds
>    for
>              those
>                 ideas.
>                    -Alicia
>                   _______________________________________________
>                   Lnc-business mailing list
>
>                     [2][3][4][5]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>                     [3][4][5][6]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
>           /mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>                References
>                   1. mailto:[5][6][7]tim.hagan at lp.org
>                 2. mailto:[6][7][8]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>                 3. [7][8][9]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
>           ilman/listinfo/lnc-business
>           References
>              1. mailto:[9][10]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>              2. mailto:[10][11]tim.hagan at lp.org
>              3. mailto:[11][12]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>              4. [12][13]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
>      mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>              5. mailto:[13][14]tim.hagan at lp.org
>              6. mailto:[14][15]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>              7. [15][16]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
>      mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>         --
>         Arvin Vohra
>         [16][17]www.VoteVohra.com
>         [17][18]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>         [19](301) 320-3634
>      References
>         1. mailto:[20]david.demarest at lp.org
>         2. mailto:[21]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>         3. mailto:[22]tim.hagan at lp.org
>         4. mailto:[23]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         5. [24]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>         6. mailto:[25]tim.hagan at lp.org
>         7. mailto:[26]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         8. [27]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>         9. mailto:[28]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>        10. mailto:[29]tim.hagan at lp.org
>        11. mailto:[30]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        12. [31]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>        13. mailto:[32]tim.hagan at lp.org
>        14. mailto:[33]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        15. [34]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>        16. [35]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>        17. mailto:[36]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
>    3. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>    4. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
>    5. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    6. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
>    7. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
>    8. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    9. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
>   10. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>   11. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
>   12. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   13. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   14. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
>   15. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   16. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   17. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   18. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   19. tel:(301) 320-3634
>   20. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
>   21. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>   22. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
>   23. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   24. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   25. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
>   26. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   27. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   28. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
>   29. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
>   30. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   31. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   32. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
>   33. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   34. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   35. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   36. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>



-- 
Arvin Vohra

www.VoteVohra.com
VoteVohra at gmail.com
(301) 320-3634
-------------- next part --------------
   For those who haven't seen Dr. Ruwart's positions, which many would
   classify as more extreme than mine:
   [1]http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/04/25/libertarian-presidenti
   al-front-runner-defends-child-porn/

   On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
   <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

        And of course that was not the point.
        I would love to speak with Dr. Ruwart on this, the author of "The
        Compassion of Libertarianism" about how we need less empathy and
     ya
        know, if a 14 year old gets pregnant, might as well be a pervert
     with a
        job rather than a broke kid.  Because welfare.
        This is called using people.
        On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Arvin Vohra
     <[1][3]votevohra at gmail.com>
        wrote:
             Forward from Dr. Mary Ruwart:
             “If such motions had circulated in the LNC in the early days
     of
          our
             Party, no LNC member would have spoken out against the War
     on
          Drugs,
             claimed that gays had rights, or pointed out that taxation
     was
          theft.
             All of these positions were considered inflammatory and
     offensive
          to
             the majority of people outside the LP for most of the 1980s,
          regardless
             of how carefully these positions were presented. Now, they
     are
             seriously embraced or considered across the political
     spectrum
             precisely because we spoke out. It’s impossible to affect
     serious
             change without offending some listeners. How can anyone
     believe
          that
             the LP supports free speech when its own members are
     punished for
             engaging in it?”  ----Mary J. Ruwart
           On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:45 AM,
     <[1][2][4]david.demarest at lp.org>

      wrote:
           I change my vote to "YES" on the censure motion and ask others
   to
           vote 'YES' and request the cancellation of the electronic
   meeting
      to
           consider suspension.
           Arvin has audaciously and courageously challenged us to stop
           speaking in tongues about our Libertarian principles. He has
           correctly identified the fact that the opposition does a better
      job
           of describing our policy and positions than we do. We need to
   step
           up to the plate with equal courage and get us back on track
   toward
           our shared goal of freedom.
           It is time to end this game of Russian roulette that Ms.
   Mattson
      has
           aptly described as a circular firing squad, this
           political-correctness nightmare of timidity before voters and
           pandemic get-elected-itis at the expense of not only our
      principles
           but any semblance of rationality. We have done enough damage to
      the
           Libertarian cause. Let us cease this endless cycle of
           self-destruction before we plunge ourselves into a death-spiral
   of
           reworded censure motions.
           Good grief - enough already!
           ~David Pratt Demarest
         On 2018-01-29 22:11, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
           I hope my statement that the censure will fail is disproven.  I
   am
              disappointed in the yes votes changing to no.  This censure
   is
           woefully
              inadequate, but it is not as woefully inadequate as nothing
   at
           all.
              What we heard from Arvin is a defense of Trump tactics.
   That
      is
           not
              the LP I work for, recruit for, and donate for.
              On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Patrick McKnight

                  <[1][2][3][5]patrick.mcknight at lp.org> wrote:
                       I vote yes. However I feel censure is insufficient
     and
          look
                    forward to
                       the electronic meeting.
                       Thanks,
                       Patrick McKnight
                       Region 8 Rep
                       On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Tim Hagan
                    <[1][2][3][4][6]tim.hagan at lp.org>

                   wrote:
                     I vote yes.
                     ---
                     Tim Hagan
                     Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
                   On 2018-01-20 19:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
                   We have an electronic mail ballot.
                      Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January
   30,
           2018 at
                      11:59:59pm Pacific time.
                      Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
                      Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for
           repeated
                public
                      comments which have presented libertarian ideas in
   an
                inflammatory
                   and
                      sometimes offensive manner not conducive to
   Libertarian
                leaders and
                      candidates for public office winning hearts and
   minds
      for
                those
                   ideas.
                      -Alicia
                     _______________________________________________
                     Lnc-business mailing list

                         [2][3][4][5][7]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
                         [3][4][5][6][8]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
               /mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
                    References
                       1. mailto:[5][6][7][9]tim.hagan at lp.org
                     2. mailto:[6][7][8][10]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
                     3. [7][8][9][11]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
               ilman/listinfo/lnc-business
               References
                  1. mailto:[9][10][12]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
                  2. mailto:[10][11][13]tim.hagan at lp.org
                  3. mailto:[11][12][14]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
                  4. [12][13][15]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
          mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
                  5. mailto:[13][14][16]tim.hagan at lp.org
                  6. mailto:[14][15][17]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
                  7. [15][16][18]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
          mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
             --
             Arvin Vohra
             [16][17][19]www.VoteVohra.com
             [17][18][20]VoteVohra at gmail.com
             [19][21](301) 320-3634
          References
             1. mailto:[20][22]david.demarest at lp.org
             2. mailto:[21][23]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
             3. mailto:[22][24]tim.hagan at lp.org
             4. mailto:[23][25]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
             5. [24][26]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
     mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
             6. mailto:[25][27]tim.hagan at lp.org
             7. mailto:[26][28]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
             8. [27][29]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
     mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
             9. mailto:[28][30]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
            10. mailto:[29][31]tim.hagan at lp.org
            11. mailto:[30][32]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
            12. [31][33]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
     mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
            13. mailto:[32][34]tim.hagan at lp.org
            14. mailto:[33][35]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
            15. [34][36]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
     mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
            16. [35][37]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
            17. mailto:[36][38]VoteVohra at gmail.com
     References
        1. mailto:[39]votevohra at gmail.com
        2. mailto:[40]david.demarest at lp.org
        3. mailto:[41]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
        4. mailto:[42]tim.hagan at lp.org
        5. mailto:[43]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        6. [44]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
        7. mailto:[45]tim.hagan at lp.org
        8. mailto:[46]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        9. [47]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
       10. mailto:[48]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
       11. mailto:[49]tim.hagan at lp.org
       12. mailto:[50]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
       13. [51]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
       14. mailto:[52]tim.hagan at lp.org
       15. mailto:[53]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
       16. [54]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
       17. [55]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
       18. mailto:[56]VoteVohra at gmail.com
       19. tel:[57](301) 320-3634
       20. mailto:[58]david.demarest at lp.org
       21. mailto:[59]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
       22. mailto:[60]tim.hagan at lp.org
       23. mailto:[61]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
       24. [62]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
       25. mailto:[63]tim.hagan at lp.org
       26. mailto:[64]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
       27. [65]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
       28. mailto:[66]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
       29. mailto:[67]tim.hagan at lp.org
       30. mailto:[68]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
       31. [69]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
       32. mailto:[70]tim.hagan at lp.org
       33. mailto:[71]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
       34. [72]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
       35. [73]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
       36. mailto:[74]VoteVohra at gmail.com

   --
   Arvin Vohra
   [75]www.VoteVohra.com
   [76]VoteVohra at gmail.com
   (301) 320-3634

References

   1. http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/04/25/libertarian-presidential-front-runner-defends-child-porn/
   2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   3. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
   4. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
   5. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
   6. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
   7. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   8. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
   9. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  10. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  11. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
  12. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
  13. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  14. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  15. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
  16. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  17. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  18. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
  19. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  20. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  21. tel:(301) 320-3634
  22. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
  23. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
  24. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  25. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  26. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  27. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  28. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  29. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  30. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
  31. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  32. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  33. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  34. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  35. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  36. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  37. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  38. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  39. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
  40. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
  41. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
  42. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  43. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  44. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
  45. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  46. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  47. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
  48. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
  49. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  50. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  51. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  52. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  53. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  54. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  55. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  56. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  57. tel:(301) 320-3634
  58. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
  59. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
  60. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  61. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  62. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  63. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  64. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  65. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  66. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
  67. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  68. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  69. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  70. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
  71. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  72. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  73. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  74. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
  75. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
  76. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com


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