[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-03: Censure of Arvin Vohra
Starchild
starchild at lp.org
Wed Jan 31 06:04:20 EST 2018
Caryn Ann,
Sure, "fair game" has all those meanings. Within the context we were discussing however, I think it suggests the meaning I noted.
In a political jurisdiction containing what may be the largest incarceration system in the world, with over half of the people behind bars there for things that are not violations of the Non-Aggression Principle, and laws registering people as "sex offenders" limiting where they can live, in some cases resulting in them being kept imprisoned beyond the end of their sentences, etc., I think it's bad messaging to use language that encourages "tough-on-crime" attitudes which contribute to such mistreatment. Terms like "pervert" and "predator" in this context definitely fit the bill.
I've never objected to you criticizing Arvin's messaging; I criticized it myself. What I object to is formally seeking to censure or remove him for statements that I don't think have been un-libertarian, however objectionable they may have been from other perspectives, when we have not censured or removed others who have made clearly un-libertarian statements. Is our image more important than our principles? To me it is not. To the extent we have and deserve a good image it is largely from sticking to our principles. Expressing them well is important too, but distinctly secondary.
In criticizing your messaging here, no, Daniel is correct, I am not trying to issue a grievance, nor am I calling for you to be censured or anything, let alone removed from the LNC! Don't worry, you are one of the last people I want to vote off the island. :-)
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
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(415) 625-FREE
P.S. – "Allegedly" policing Arvin? You don't think trying to formally censure or suspend someone for their statements is policing them?
P.P.S. – Different governments set different ages at which they decide to recognize people as adults. Their declarations of who is and who is not a child, varying as they do, are usually politics-based, not science-based, and in no way reliable or authoritative.
P.P.P.S. – My personal favorite definition of "perversion" not tainted by the State is this: "Kinky is when you use a feather. Perverted is when you use the whole chicken." ;-)
On Jan 31, 2018, at 1:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> == A statement describing a group of people as "fair game" sounds
> like describing them as animals to be hunted, rather than individual
> human beings with rights. I would reject that characterization.===
> You do know that is not what that means, right? It doesn't even come
> from that back in the mists of time. Are you looking to just find
> something to nitpick? (scouring my brain to wonder what strange
> allusion could be made from nitpick.... and scouring.... does that have
> some totally unrelated association?)
>
> fair game
>
> English[[1]edit]
>
> Noun[[2]edit]
>
> [3]fair [4]game ([5]uncountable)
> 1. ([6]idiomatic) Actions [7]permissible by the [8]rules.
>
> Pretending to be slow is fair game. Pretending to be
> injured is not.
> The referee ruled the unprecedented play fair game.
>
> 2. ([9]idiomatic) A [10]goal or an [11]object that
> may [12]legitimately be sought.
>
> After the middle sister's call from a friend's house, her
> slice of cake was fair game.
>
> 3. ([13]idiomatic) An [14]acceptable subject or target
> for [15]criticism, [16]scrutiny, or [17]mockery.
>
> Anyone running for office is fair game for criticism.
>
> 4. Used other than with a figurative or idiomatic
> meaning: see [18]fair,� [19]game.: a game that is fair, that does
> not involve [20]cheating, etc.
>
> == "Pervert" is a loaded term commonly applied to demonize
> anyone whose sexual habits are not considered acceptable.===
> And is apt for predators upon children.
> == It has been applied to LGBTQ people and others===
> I haven't.
> == and I don't think it is appropriate in what should be a rational
> discussion about human development and the capacity to consent.===
> Now you get the point. In that subthread, the possibility of a
> pervert, molestor, whatever, impregnating a 14-year old girl was
> obviously on everyone's mind, and hey, as long as he has a job, it's
> better than another kid.
> Funny on how you are upset about us allegedly policing Arvin, yet you
> are straining at gnats to try to police me here (oh oh, is there some
> odd connection with gnats...... I think I am safe)
> === I haven't heard that Arvin ever used the term (hopefully not).===
> I don't follow him any longer. But I never have seen it.
> === In the case of Roy Moore, he has been credibly accused of sexual
> assault (see [21]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegations, in particular the case of
> Beverly Young Nelson). ===
> He has been accused as well, including by us by implication, of DE
> FACTO assault due to age.
> ===He is also an authoritarian-leaning politician who wants to force
> his morality on others at the point of government guns. I don't think
> we owe him an apology.===
> Oh.... its okay to be a hypocrite as a Party as long as it is a bad
> guy. Can we say he kicks puppies too? I don't think we owe him an
> apology either. But then again, I am not defending the normalcy of
> 14-year olds being a typical part of a dating pool and getting offended
> if someone calls someone who routinely targets same a pervert.
> I was playing with Barbie dolls still when I was 14. As were a lot of
> my friends. Some of them had clumsy sexual relationships with other
> barely teens. Arvin claimed that the moral value of that is exactly
> the same as with a 25 year old. And I have every right to think that
> is a perverse view. We do not raise our children today to be ready to
> take on adult lives at 14. We lament when children, due to unfortunate
> circumstances are forced into that role. We are a prosperous society
> that has the resources to allow an actual childhood.
> You can be offended that I have a very bad opinion of 14 year old
> American girls being part of the potential mating pool. I'll live. If
> that's my worst "libertarian heresy" well, burn me at the stake.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Starchild <[22]starchild at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> After some difficult deliberation, I vote no on this motion. No
> one
> has yet been able to identify anything the vice-chair said that
> is
> clearly un-libertarian, and while I continue to think that some
> of his
> outreach efforts have shown poor judgement, and have obviously
> upset
> many people, I cannot endorse the misguided set of priorities
> that
> would be implicitly endorsed by censuring someone in a case like
> this
> while failing to censure other Libertarian leaders such as
> William Weld
> last year who have said clearly un-libertarian things from a much
> more
> visible platform.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> [1][23]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Starchild wrote:
> A statement describing a group of people as "fair game" sounds
> like
> describing them as animals to be hunted, rather than individual
> human
> beings with rights. I would reject that characterization.
> "Pervert" is a loaded term commonly applied to demonize anyone
> whose
> sexual habits are not considered acceptable. It has been applied
> to
> LGBTQ people and others, and I don't think it is appropriate in
> what
> should be a rational discussion about human development and the
> capacity to consent. I haven't heard that Arvin ever used the
> term
> (hopefully not).
> In the case of Roy Moore, he has been credibly accused of sexual
> assault (see
> [2][24]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_
> misconduct_allegation
> s, in particular the case of Beverly Young Nelson). He is also an
> authoritarian-leaning politician who wants to force his morality
> on
> others at the point of government guns. I don't think we owe him
> an
> apology.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> [3][25]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> And again if 14 year old girls are typically fair game- I ask
> again
> -
> does anyone defending that statement here have the fortitude
> to
> move a
> resolution to apologize to Roy Moore?
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:10 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1][26]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> I am using words the way people heard them and that was the
> implication
> of what he said. He would rather even someone he thinks is a
> pervert
> (they do exist - and they do troll after kids) as long as
> they
> have a
> job to impregnate a 14 year old than another kid. Because
> welfare.
> Yes - when put in the stark cold reality of the implications
> of
> what he
> said it IS awful. And that�s what our members heard. Many
> of them
> just as �pure� as Arvin.
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:29 PM Starchild
> <[2][27]starchild at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Caryn Ann,
> Mary Ruwart's comment is clearly weighing in on our
> debate
> on this motion, and her stance seems plain enough. It's hard to
> imagine she'd object to us seeing her remarks in a timely
> manner,
> so
> accusing Arvin of "using people" by publishing them here seems
> uncalled for. As does the use of demonizing epithets like
> "pervert".
> I frankly find that language offensive, and hope we can keep
> the
> discussion more civil.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> [3][28]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> And of course that was not the point.
> I would love to speak with Dr. Ruwart on this, the author of
> "The
> Compassion of Libertarianism" about how we need less empathy and
> ya
> know, if a 14 year old gets pregnant, might as well be a pervert
> with a
> job rather than a broke kid. Because welfare.
> This is called using people.
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Arvin Vohra
> <[1][4][29]votevohra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Forward from Dr. Mary Ruwart:
>
> �If such motions had circulated in the LNC in the early
> days of
> our
> Party, no LNC member would have spoken out against the War
> on
> Drugs,
> claimed that gays had rights, or pointed out that taxation
> was
> theft.
> All of these positions were considered inflammatory and
> offensive
> to
> the majority of people outside the LP for most of the
> 1980s,
> regardless
> of how carefully these positions were presented. Now, they
> are
> seriously embraced or considered across the political
> spectrum
> precisely because we spoke out. It�s impossible to
> affect
> serious
> change without offending some listeners. How can anyone
> believe
> that
> the LP supports free speech when its own members are
> punished for
> engaging in it?� ----Mary J. Ruwart
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:45 AM,
> <[1][2][5][30]david.demarest at lp.org>
> wrote:
> I change my vote to "YES" on the censure motion and ask
> others to
> vote 'YES' and request the cancellation of the electronic
> meeting
> to
> consider suspension.
> Arvin has audaciously and courageously challenged us to
> stop
> speaking in tongues about our Libertarian principles. He
> has
> correctly identified the fact that the opposition does a
> better
> job
> of describing our policy and positions than we do. We need
> to step
> up to the plate with equal courage and get us back on track
> toward
> our shared goal of freedom.
> It is time to end this game of Russian roulette that Ms.
> Mattson
> has
> aptly described as a circular firing squad, this
> political-correctness nightmare of timidity before voters
> and
> pandemic get-elected-itis at the expense of not only our
> principles
> but any semblance of rationality. We have done enough
> damage to
> the
> Libertarian cause. Let us cease this endless cycle of
> self-destruction before we plunge ourselves into a
> death-spiral of
> reworded censure motions.
> Good grief - enough already!
> ~David Pratt Demarest
> On 2018-01-29 22:11, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> I hope my statement that the censure will fail is
> disproven. I am
> disappointed in the yes votes changing to no. This
> censure is
> woefully
> inadequate, but it is not as woefully inadequate as
> nothing at
> all.
> What we heard from Arvin is a defense of Trump tactics.
> That
> is
> not
> the LP I work for, recruit for, and donate for.
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Patrick McKnight
> <[1][2][3][6][31]patrick.mcknight at lp.org> wrote:
> I vote yes. However I feel censure is
> insufficient and
> look
> forward to
> the electronic meeting.
> Thanks,
> Patrick McKnight
> Region 8 Rep
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Tim Hagan
> <[1][2][3][4][7][32]tim.hagan at lp.org>
> wrote:
> I vote yes.
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> On 2018-01-20 19:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by
> January 30,
> 2018 at
> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> Co-Sponsors: Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
> Motion: to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra
> for
> repeated
> public
> comments which have presented libertarian ideas
> in an
> inflammatory
> and
> sometimes offensive manner not conducive to
> Libertarian
> leaders and
> candidates for public office winning hearts and
> minds
> for
> those
> ideas.
> -Alicia
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> 23. [196]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 24. mailto:[197]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 25. mailto:[198]david.demarest at lp.org
> 26. mailto:[199]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 27. mailto:[200]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 28. mailto:[201]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 29. [202]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 30. mailto:[203]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 31. mailto:[204]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 32. [205]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 33. mailto:[206]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 34. mailto:[207]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 35. mailto:[208]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 36. [209]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 37. mailto:[210]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 38. mailto:[211]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 39. [212]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 40. [213]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 41. mailto:[214]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 42. mailto:[215]votevohra at gmail.com
> 43. mailto:[216]david.demarest at lp.org
> 44. mailto:[217]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 45. mailto:[218]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 46. mailto:[219]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 47. [220]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
> 48. mailto:[221]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 49. mailto:[222]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 50. [223]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
> 51. mailto:[224]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 52. mailto:[225]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 53. mailto:[226]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 54. [227]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 55. mailto:[228]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 56. mailto:[229]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 57. [230]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 58. [231]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 59. mailto:[232]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 60. mailto:[233]david.demarest at lp.org
> 61. mailto:[234]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 62. mailto:[235]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 63. mailto:[236]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 64. [237]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 65. mailto:[238]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 66. mailto:[239]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 67. [240]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 68. mailto:[241]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 69. mailto:[242]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 70. mailto:[243]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 71. [244]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 72. mailto:[245]tim.hagan at lp.org
> 73. mailto:[246]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 74. [247]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>
> 75. [248]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 76. mailto:[249]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>
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> 2. https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=fair_game&action=edit§ion=2
> 3. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fair#English
> 4. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/game#English
> 5. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable
> 6. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic
> 7. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/permissible
> 8. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rule
> 9. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic
> 10. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goal
> 11. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/object
> 12. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legitimately
> 13. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic
> 14. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/acceptable
> 15. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/criticism
> 16. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scrutiny
> 17. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mockery
> 18. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fair#English
> 19. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/game#English
> 20. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cheat
> 21. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegations
> 22. mailto:starchild at lp.org
> 23. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 24. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegation
> 25. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 26. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 27. mailto:starchild at lp.org
> 28. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 29. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> 30. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 31. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 32. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 33. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 34. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
> 35. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 36. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 37. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
> 38. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 39. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 40. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 41. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
> 42. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 43. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 44. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
> 45. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 46. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 47. tel:(301) 320-3634
> 48. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 49. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 50. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 51. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 52. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 53. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 54. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 55. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 56. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 57. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 58. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 59. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 60. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 61. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 62. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 63. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 64. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 65. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> 66. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 67. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 68. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 69. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 70. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
> 71. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 72. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 73. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
> 74. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 75. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 76. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 77. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 78. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 79. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 80. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 81. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 82. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 83. tel:(301) 320-3634
> 84. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 85. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 86. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 87. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 88. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 89. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 90. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 91. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 92. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 93. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 94. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 95. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 96. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 97. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 98. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 99. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 100. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 101. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 102. mailto:starchild at lp.org
> 103. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 104. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> 105. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 106. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 107. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 108. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 109. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
> 110. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 111. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 112. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
> 113. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 114. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 115. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 116. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
> 117. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 118. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 119. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
> 120. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 121. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 122. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 123. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 124. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 125. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 126. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 127. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 128. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 129. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 130. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 131. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 132. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 133. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 134. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 135. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 136. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 137. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 138. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 139. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> 140. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 141. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 142. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 143. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 144. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
> 145. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 146. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 147. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
> 148. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 149. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 150. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 151. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 152. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 153. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 154. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 155. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 156. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 157. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 158. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 159. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 160. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 161. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 162. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 163. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 164. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 165. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 166. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 167. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 168. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 169. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 170. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 171. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 172. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 173. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 174. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 175. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegations
> 176. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 177. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 178. mailto:starchild at lp.org
> 179. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 180. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> 181. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 182. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 183. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 184. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 185. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
> 186. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 187. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 188. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
> 189. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 190. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 191. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 192. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
> 193. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 194. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 195. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
> 196. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 197. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 198. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 199. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 200. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 201. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 202. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 203. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 204. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 205. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 206. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 207. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 208. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 209. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 210. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 211. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 212. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 213. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 214. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 215. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> 216. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 217. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 218. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 219. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 220. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
> 221. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 222. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 223. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
> 224. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 225. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 226. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 227. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 228. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 229. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 230. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 231. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 232. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 233. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
> 234. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 235. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 236. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 237. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 238. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 239. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 240. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 241. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
> 242. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 243. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 244. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 245. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
> 246. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 247. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 248. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 249. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>
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