[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-03: Censure of Arvin Vohra
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Jan 31 04:01:50 EST 2018
== A statement describing a group of people as "fair game" sounds like
describing them as animals to be hunted, rather than individual human
beings with rights. I would reject that characterization.===
You do know that is not what that means, right? It doesn't even come from
that back in the mists of time. Are you looking to just find something to
nitpick? (scouring my brain to wonder what strange allusion could be made
from nitpick.... and scouring.... does that have some totally unrelated
association?)
fair game
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fair_game#mw-head>
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fair_game#p-search>
English[edit
<https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=fair_game&action=edit§ion=1>
]Noun[edit
<https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=fair_game&action=edit§ion=2>
]
*fair <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fair#English> game
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/game#English>* (*uncountable
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable>*)
1. (idiomatic
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic>) Actions
permissible <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/permissible> by the rules
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rule>.*Pretending to be slow is fair
game. Pretending to be injured is not.**The referee ruled the
unprecedented play fair game.*
2. (idiomatic
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic>) A goal
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goal> or an object
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/object> that may legitimately
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legitimately> be sought.*After the
middle sister's call from a friend's house, her slice of cake was fair
game.*
3. (idiomatic
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic>) An
acceptable <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/acceptable> subject or target
for criticism <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/criticism>, scrutiny
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scrutiny>, or mockery
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mockery>.*Anyone running for office
is fair game for criticism.*
4. Used other than with a figurative or idiomatic meaning: *see* fair
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fair#English>, game
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/game#English>.: a game that is fair,
that does not involve cheating <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cheat>,
etc.
== "Pervert" is a loaded term commonly applied to demonize anyone
whose sexual habits are not considered acceptable.===
And is apt for predators upon children.
== It has been applied to LGBTQ people and others===
I haven't.
== and I don't think it is appropriate in what should be a rational
discussion about human development and the capacity to consent.===
Now you get the point. In that subthread, the possibility of a pervert,
molestor, whatever, impregnating a 14-year old girl was obviously on
everyone's mind, and hey, as long as he has a job, it's better than another
kid.
Funny on how you are upset about us allegedly policing Arvin, yet you are
straining at gnats to try to police me here (oh oh, is there some odd
connection with gnats...... I think I am safe)
=== I haven't heard that Arvin ever used the term (hopefully not).===
I don't follow him any longer. But I never have seen it.
=== In the case of Roy Moore, he has been credibly accused of sexual
assault (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_
allegations, in particular the case of Beverly Young Nelson). ===
He has been accused as well, including by us by implication, of DE FACTO
assault due to age.
===He is also an authoritarian-leaning politician who wants to force his
morality on others at the point of government guns. I don't think we owe
him an apology.===
Oh.... its okay to be a hypocrite as a Party as long as it is a bad guy.
Can we say he kicks puppies too? I don't think we owe him an apology
either. But then again, I am not defending the normalcy of 14-year olds
being a typical part of a dating pool and getting offended if someone calls
someone who routinely targets same a pervert.
I was playing with Barbie dolls still when I was 14. As were a lot of my
friends. Some of them had clumsy sexual relationships with other barely
teens. Arvin claimed that the moral value of that is exactly the same as
with a 25 year old. And I have every right to think that is a perverse
view. We do not raise our children today to be ready to take on adult
lives at 14. We lament when children, due to unfortunate circumstances are
forced into that role. We are a prosperous society that has the resources
to allow an actual childhood.
You can be offended that I have a very bad opinion of 14 year old American
girls being part of the potential mating pool. I'll live. If that's my
worst "libertarian heresy" well, burn me at the stake.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Starchild <starchild at lp.org> wrote:
> After some difficult deliberation, I vote no on this motion. No one
> has yet been able to identify anything the vice-chair said that is
> clearly un-libertarian, and while I continue to think that some of his
> outreach efforts have shown poor judgement, and have obviously upset
> many people, I cannot endorse the misguided set of priorities that
> would be implicitly endorsed by censuring someone in a case like this
> while failing to censure other Libertarian leaders such as William Weld
> last year who have said clearly un-libertarian things from a much more
> visible platform.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> [1]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Starchild wrote:
>
> A statement describing a group of people as "fair game" sounds like
> describing them as animals to be hunted, rather than individual human
> beings with rights. I would reject that characterization.
> "Pervert" is a loaded term commonly applied to demonize anyone whose
> sexual habits are not considered acceptable. It has been applied to
> LGBTQ people and others, and I don't think it is appropriate in what
> should be a rational discussion about human development and the
> capacity to consent. I haven't heard that Arvin ever used the term
> (hopefully not).
> In the case of Roy Moore, he has been credibly accused of sexual
> assault (see
> [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegation
> s, in particular the case of Beverly Young Nelson). He is also an
> authoritarian-leaning politician who wants to force his morality on
> others at the point of government guns. I don't think we owe him an
> apology.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> [3]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> And again if 14 year old girls are typically fair game- I ask again
> -
>
> does anyone defending that statement here have the fortitude to
> move a
>
> resolution to apologize to Roy Moore?
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:10 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I am using words the way people heard them and that was the
> implication
>
> of what he said. He would rather even someone he thinks is a
> pervert
>
> (they do exist - and they do troll after kids) as long as they
> have a
>
> job to impregnate a 14 year old than another kid. Because welfare.
>
> Yes - when put in the stark cold reality of the implications of
> what he
>
> said it IS awful. And that�s what our members heard. Many of them
>
> just as �pure� as Arvin.
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:29 PM Starchild <[2]starchild at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Caryn Ann,
>
> Mary Ruwart's comment is clearly weighing in on our
> debate
>
> on this motion, and her stance seems plain enough. It's hard to
>
> imagine she'd object to us seeing her remarks in a timely manner,
> so
>
> accusing Arvin of "using people" by publishing them here seems
>
> uncalled for. As does the use of demonizing epithets like
> "pervert".
>
> I frankly find that language offensive, and hope we can keep the
>
> discussion more civil.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
> ((( starchild )))
>
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
> [3]RealReform at earthlink.net
>
> (415) 625-FREE
>
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> And of course that was not the point.
>
> I would love to speak with Dr. Ruwart on this, the author of
>
> "The
>
> Compassion of Libertarianism" about how we need less empathy and
>
> ya
>
> know, if a 14 year old gets pregnant, might as well be a pervert
>
> with a
>
> job rather than a broke kid. Because welfare.
>
> This is called using people.
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Arvin Vohra
>
> <[1][4]votevohra at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> Forward from Dr. Mary Ruwart:
>
> �If such motions had circulated in the LNC in the early
>
> days of
>
> our
>
> Party, no LNC member would have spoken out against the War
>
> on
>
> Drugs,
>
> claimed that gays had rights, or pointed out that taxation
>
> was
>
> theft.
>
> All of these positions were considered inflammatory and
>
> offensive
>
> to
>
> the majority of people outside the LP for most of the
>
> 1980s,
>
> regardless
>
> of how carefully these positions were presented. Now, they
>
> are
>
> seriously embraced or considered across the political
>
> spectrum
>
> precisely because we spoke out. It�s impossible to affect
>
> serious
>
> change without offending some listeners. How can anyone
>
> believe
>
> that
>
> the LP supports free speech when its own members are
>
> punished for
>
> engaging in it?� ----Mary J. Ruwart
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:45 AM,
>
> <[1][2][5]david.demarest at lp.org>
>
> wrote:
>
> I change my vote to "YES" on the censure motion and ask
>
> others to
>
> vote 'YES' and request the cancellation of the electronic
>
> meeting
>
> to
>
> consider suspension.
>
> Arvin has audaciously and courageously challenged us to
>
> stop
>
> speaking in tongues about our Libertarian principles. He
>
> has
>
> correctly identified the fact that the opposition does a
>
> better
>
> job
>
> of describing our policy and positions than we do. We need
>
> to step
>
> up to the plate with equal courage and get us back on track
>
> toward
>
> our shared goal of freedom.
>
> It is time to end this game of Russian roulette that Ms.
>
> Mattson
>
> has
>
> aptly described as a circular firing squad, this
>
> political-correctness nightmare of timidity before voters
>
> and
>
> pandemic get-elected-itis at the expense of not only our
>
> principles
>
> but any semblance of rationality. We have done enough
>
> damage to
>
> the
>
> Libertarian cause. Let us cease this endless cycle of
>
> self-destruction before we plunge ourselves into a
>
> death-spiral of
>
> reworded censure motions.
>
> Good grief - enough already!
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> On 2018-01-29 22:11, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I hope my statement that the censure will fail is
>
> disproven. I am
>
> disappointed in the yes votes changing to no. This
>
> censure is
>
> woefully
>
> inadequate, but it is not as woefully inadequate as
>
> nothing at
>
> all.
>
> What we heard from Arvin is a defense of Trump tactics.
>
> That
>
> is
>
> not
>
> the LP I work for, recruit for, and donate for.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Patrick McKnight
>
> <[1][2][3][6]patrick.mcknight at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I vote yes. However I feel censure is
>
> insufficient and
>
> look
>
> forward to
>
> the electronic meeting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick McKnight
>
> Region 8 Rep
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Tim Hagan
>
> <[1][2][3][4][7]tim.hagan at lp.org>
>
> wrote:
>
> I vote yes.
>
> ---
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>
> On 2018-01-20 19:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by
>
> January 30,
>
> 2018 at
>
> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>
> Co-Sponsors: Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
>
> Motion: to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra
>
> for
>
> repeated
>
> public
>
> comments which have presented libertarian ideas
>
> in an
>
> inflammatory
>
> and
>
> sometimes offensive manner not conducive to
>
> Libertarian
>
> leaders and
>
> candidates for public office winning hearts and
>
> minds
>
> for
>
> those
>
> ideas.
>
> -Alicia
>
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> Arvin Vohra
>
> [16][17][20]www.VoteVohra.com
>
> [17][18][21]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>
> [19](301) 320-3634
>
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> 4. mailto:[23][25]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 5.
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> 8.
>
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>
> 12.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> 1. [4]mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>
> 2. [5]mailto:starchild at lp.org
>
> 3. [6]mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>
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>
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> 1. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_
> allegations
> 3. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
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== A statement describing a group of people as "fair game" sounds
like describing them as animals to be hunted, rather than individual
human beings with rights. I would reject that characterization.===
You do know that is not what that means, right? It doesn't even come
from that back in the mists of time. Are you looking to just find
something to nitpick? (scouring my brain to wonder what strange
allusion could be made from nitpick.... and scouring.... does that have
some totally unrelated association?)
fair game
English[[1]edit]
Noun[[2]edit]
[3]fair [4]game ([5]uncountable)
1. ([6]idiomatic) Actions [7]permissible by the [8]rules.
Pretending to be slow is fair game. Pretending to be
injured is not.
The referee ruled the unprecedented play fair game.
2. ([9]idiomatic) A [10]goal or an [11]object that
may [12]legitimately be sought.
After the middle sister's call from a friend's house, her
slice of cake was fair game.
3. ([13]idiomatic) An [14]acceptable subject or target
for [15]criticism, [16]scrutiny, or [17]mockery.
Anyone running for office is fair game for criticism.
4. Used other than with a figurative or idiomatic
meaning: see [18]fair,� [19]game.: a game that is fair, that does
not involve [20]cheating, etc.
== "Pervert" is a loaded term commonly applied to demonize
anyone whose sexual habits are not considered acceptable.===
And is apt for predators upon children.
== It has been applied to LGBTQ people and others===
I haven't.
== and I don't think it is appropriate in what should be a rational
discussion about human development and the capacity to consent.===
Now you get the point. In that subthread, the possibility of a
pervert, molestor, whatever, impregnating a 14-year old girl was
obviously on everyone's mind, and hey, as long as he has a job, it's
better than another kid.
Funny on how you are upset about us allegedly policing Arvin, yet you
are straining at gnats to try to police me here (oh oh, is there some
odd connection with gnats...... I think I am safe)
=== I haven't heard that Arvin ever used the term (hopefully not).===
I don't follow him any longer. But I never have seen it.
=== In the case of Roy Moore, he has been credibly accused of sexual
assault (see [21]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegations, in particular the case of
Beverly Young Nelson). ===
He has been accused as well, including by us by implication, of DE
FACTO assault due to age.
===He is also an authoritarian-leaning politician who wants to force
his morality on others at the point of government guns. I don't think
we owe him an apology.===
Oh.... its okay to be a hypocrite as a Party as long as it is a bad
guy. Can we say he kicks puppies too? I don't think we owe him an
apology either. But then again, I am not defending the normalcy of
14-year olds being a typical part of a dating pool and getting offended
if someone calls someone who routinely targets same a pervert.
I was playing with Barbie dolls still when I was 14. As were a lot of
my friends. Some of them had clumsy sexual relationships with other
barely teens. Arvin claimed that the moral value of that is exactly
the same as with a 25 year old. And I have every right to think that
is a perverse view. We do not raise our children today to be ready to
take on adult lives at 14. We lament when children, due to unfortunate
circumstances are forced into that role. We are a prosperous society
that has the resources to allow an actual childhood.
You can be offended that I have a very bad opinion of 14 year old
American girls being part of the potential mating pool. I'll live. If
that's my worst "libertarian heresy" well, burn me at the stake.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Starchild <[22]starchild at lp.org>
wrote:
After some difficult deliberation, I vote no on this motion. No
one
has yet been able to identify anything the vice-chair said that
is
clearly un-libertarian, and while I continue to think that some
of his
outreach efforts have shown poor judgement, and have obviously
upset
many people, I cannot endorse the misguided set of priorities
that
would be implicitly endorsed by censuring someone in a case like
this
while failing to censure other Libertarian leaders such as
William Weld
last year who have said clearly un-libertarian things from a much
more
visible platform.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[1][23]RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Starchild wrote:
A statement describing a group of people as "fair game" sounds
like
describing them as animals to be hunted, rather than individual
human
beings with rights. I would reject that characterization.
"Pervert" is a loaded term commonly applied to demonize anyone
whose
sexual habits are not considered acceptable. It has been applied
to
LGBTQ people and others, and I don't think it is appropriate in
what
should be a rational discussion about human development and the
capacity to consent. I haven't heard that Arvin ever used the
term
(hopefully not).
In the case of Roy Moore, he has been credibly accused of sexual
assault (see
[2][24]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_
misconduct_allegation
s, in particular the case of Beverly Young Nelson). He is also an
authoritarian-leaning politician who wants to force his morality
on
others at the point of government guns. I don't think we owe him
an
apology.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[3][25]RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
On Jan 30, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
And again if 14 year old girls are typically fair game- I ask
again
-
does anyone defending that statement here have the fortitude
to
move a
resolution to apologize to Roy Moore?
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:10 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1][26]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I am using words the way people heard them and that was the
implication
of what he said. He would rather even someone he thinks is a
pervert
(they do exist - and they do troll after kids) as long as
they
have a
job to impregnate a 14 year old than another kid. Because
welfare.
Yes - when put in the stark cold reality of the implications
of
what he
said it IS awful. And that�s what our members heard. Many
of them
just as �pure� as Arvin.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:29 PM Starchild
<[2][27]starchild at lp.org>
wrote:
Caryn Ann,
Mary Ruwart's comment is clearly weighing in on our
debate
on this motion, and her stance seems plain enough. It's hard to
imagine she'd object to us seeing her remarks in a timely
manner,
so
accusing Arvin of "using people" by publishing them here seems
uncalled for. As does the use of demonizing epithets like
"pervert".
I frankly find that language offensive, and hope we can keep
the
discussion more civil.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[3][28]RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
And of course that was not the point.
I would love to speak with Dr. Ruwart on this, the author of
"The
Compassion of Libertarianism" about how we need less empathy and
ya
know, if a 14 year old gets pregnant, might as well be a pervert
with a
job rather than a broke kid. Because welfare.
This is called using people.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Arvin Vohra
<[1][4][29]votevohra at gmail.com>
wrote:
Forward from Dr. Mary Ruwart:
�If such motions had circulated in the LNC in the early
days of
our
Party, no LNC member would have spoken out against the War
on
Drugs,
claimed that gays had rights, or pointed out that taxation
was
theft.
All of these positions were considered inflammatory and
offensive
to
the majority of people outside the LP for most of the
1980s,
regardless
of how carefully these positions were presented. Now, they
are
seriously embraced or considered across the political
spectrum
precisely because we spoke out. It�s impossible to
affect
serious
change without offending some listeners. How can anyone
believe
that
the LP supports free speech when its own members are
punished for
engaging in it?� ----Mary J. Ruwart
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:45 AM,
<[1][2][5][30]david.demarest at lp.org>
wrote:
I change my vote to "YES" on the censure motion and ask
others to
vote 'YES' and request the cancellation of the electronic
meeting
to
consider suspension.
Arvin has audaciously and courageously challenged us to
stop
speaking in tongues about our Libertarian principles. He
has
correctly identified the fact that the opposition does a
better
job
of describing our policy and positions than we do. We need
to step
up to the plate with equal courage and get us back on track
toward
our shared goal of freedom.
It is time to end this game of Russian roulette that Ms.
Mattson
has
aptly described as a circular firing squad, this
political-correctness nightmare of timidity before voters
and
pandemic get-elected-itis at the expense of not only our
principles
but any semblance of rationality. We have done enough
damage to
the
Libertarian cause. Let us cease this endless cycle of
self-destruction before we plunge ourselves into a
death-spiral of
reworded censure motions.
Good grief - enough already!
~David Pratt Demarest
On 2018-01-29 22:11, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
I hope my statement that the censure will fail is
disproven. I am
disappointed in the yes votes changing to no. This
censure is
woefully
inadequate, but it is not as woefully inadequate as
nothing at
all.
What we heard from Arvin is a defense of Trump tactics.
That
is
not
the LP I work for, recruit for, and donate for.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Patrick McKnight
<[1][2][3][6][31]patrick.mcknight at lp.org> wrote:
I vote yes. However I feel censure is
insufficient and
look
forward to
the electronic meeting.
Thanks,
Patrick McKnight
Region 8 Rep
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Tim Hagan
<[1][2][3][4][7][32]tim.hagan at lp.org>
wrote:
I vote yes.
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2018-01-20 19:03, Alicia Mattson wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by
January 30,
2018 at
11:59:59pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
Motion: to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra
for
repeated
public
comments which have presented libertarian ideas
in an
inflammatory
and
sometimes offensive manner not conducive to
Libertarian
leaders and
candidates for public office winning hearts and
minds
for
those
ideas.
-Alicia
_______________________________________________
Lnc-business mailing list
[2][3][4][5][8][33]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
[3][4][5][6][9][34]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
References
1. mailto:[5][6][7][10][35]tim.hagan at lp.org
2. mailto:[6][7][8][11][36]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. [7][8][9][12][37]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
ilman/listinfo/lnc-business
References
1. mailto:[9][10][13][38]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
2. mailto:[10][11][14][39]tim.hagan at lp.org
3. mailto:[11][12][15][40]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. [12][13][16][41]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
5. mailto:[13][14][17][42]tim.hagan at lp.org
6. mailto:[14][15][18][43]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. [15][16][19][44]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
--
Arvin Vohra
[16][17][20][45]www.VoteVohra.com
[17][18][21][46]VoteVohra at gmail.com
[19][47](301) 320-3634
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business
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business
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business
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11. mailto:[49][75]tim.hagan at lp.org
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18. mailto:[56][82]VoteVohra at gmail.com
19. tel:[83](301) 320-3634
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25. mailto:[62][89]tim.hagan at lp.org
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28. mailto:[65][92]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
29. mailto:[66][93]tim.hagan at lp.org
30. mailto:[67][94]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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32. mailto:[69][96]tim.hagan at lp.org
33. mailto:[70][97]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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35. [72][99]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
36. mailto:[73][100]VoteVohra at gmail.com
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1. [4]mailto:[101]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
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6. mailto:[179]RealReform at earthlink.net
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8. mailto:[181]david.demarest at lp.org
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15. [188]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
16. mailto:[189]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
17. mailto:[190]tim.hagan at lp.org
18. mailto:[191]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
19. [192]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
20. mailto:[193]tim.hagan at lp.org
21. mailto:[194]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
22. [195]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
23. [196]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
24. mailto:[197]VoteVohra at gmail.com
25. mailto:[198]david.demarest at lp.org
26. mailto:[199]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
27. mailto:[200]tim.hagan at lp.org
28. mailto:[201]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
29. [202]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
30. mailto:[203]tim.hagan at lp.org
31. mailto:[204]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
32. [205]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
33. mailto:[206]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
34. mailto:[207]tim.hagan at lp.org
35. mailto:[208]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
36. [209]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
37. mailto:[210]tim.hagan at lp.org
38. mailto:[211]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
39. [212]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
40. [213]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
41. mailto:[214]VoteVohra at gmail.com
42. mailto:[215]votevohra at gmail.com
43. mailto:[216]david.demarest at lp.org
44. mailto:[217]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
45. mailto:[218]tim.hagan at lp.org
46. mailto:[219]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
47. [220]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
48. mailto:[221]tim.hagan at lp.org
49. mailto:[222]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
50. [223]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
51. mailto:[224]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
52. mailto:[225]tim.hagan at lp.org
53. mailto:[226]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
54. [227]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
55. mailto:[228]tim.hagan at lp.org
56. mailto:[229]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
57. [230]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
58. [231]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
59. mailto:[232]VoteVohra at gmail.com
60. mailto:[233]david.demarest at lp.org
61. mailto:[234]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
62. mailto:[235]tim.hagan at lp.org
63. mailto:[236]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
64. [237]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
65. mailto:[238]tim.hagan at lp.org
66. mailto:[239]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
67. [240]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
68. mailto:[241]patrick.mcknight at lp.org
69. mailto:[242]tim.hagan at lp.org
70. mailto:[243]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
71. [244]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
72. mailto:[245]tim.hagan at lp.org
73. mailto:[246]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
74. [247]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
75. [248]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
76. mailto:[249]VoteVohra at gmail.com
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2. https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=fair_game&action=edit§ion=2
3. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fair#English
4. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/game#English
5. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable
6. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic
7. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/permissible
8. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rule
9. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic
10. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goal
11. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/object
12. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legitimately
13. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#idiomatic
14. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/acceptable
15. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/criticism
16. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scrutiny
17. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mockery
18. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fair#English
19. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/game#English
20. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cheat
21. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegations
22. mailto:starchild at lp.org
23. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
24. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegation
25. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
26. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
27. mailto:starchild at lp.org
28. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
29. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
30. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
31. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
32. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
33. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
34. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
35. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
36. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
37. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
38. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
39. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
40. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
41. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
42. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
43. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
44. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
45. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
46. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
47. tel:(301) 320-3634
48. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
49. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
50. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
51. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
52. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
53. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
54. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
55. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
56. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
57. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
58. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
59. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
60. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
61. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
62. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
63. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
64. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
65. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
66. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
67. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
68. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
69. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
70. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
71. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
72. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
73. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
74. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
75. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
76. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
77. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
78. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
79. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
80. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
81. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
82. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
83. tel:(301) 320-3634
84. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
85. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
86. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
87. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
88. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
89. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
90. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
91. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
92. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
93. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
94. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
95. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
96. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
97. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
98. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
99. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
100. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
101. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
102. mailto:starchild at lp.org
103. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
104. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
105. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
106. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
107. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
108. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
109. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
110. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
111. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
112. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
113. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
114. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
115. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
116. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
117. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
118. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
119. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
120. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
121. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
122. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
123. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
124. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
125. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
126. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
127. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
128. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
129. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
130. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
131. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
132. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
133. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
134. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
135. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
136. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
137. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
138. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
139. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
140. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
141. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
142. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
143. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
144. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
145. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
146. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
147. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
148. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
149. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
150. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
151. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
152. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
153. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
154. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
155. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
156. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
157. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
158. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
159. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
160. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
161. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
162. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
163. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
164. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
165. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
166. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
167. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
168. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
169. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
170. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
171. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
172. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
173. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
174. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
175. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegations
176. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
177. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
178. mailto:starchild at lp.org
179. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
180. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
181. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
182. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
183. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
184. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
185. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
186. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
187. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
188. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
189. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
190. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
191. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
192. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
193. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
194. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
195. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
196. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
197. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
198. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
199. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
200. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
201. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
202. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
203. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
204. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
205. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
206. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
207. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
208. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
209. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
210. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
211. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
212. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
213. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
214. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
215. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
216. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
217. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
218. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
219. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
220. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin
221. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
222. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
223. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/ma
224. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
225. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
226. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
227. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
228. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
229. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
230. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
231. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
232. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
233. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
234. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
235. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
236. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
237. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
238. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
239. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
240. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
241. mailto:patrick.mcknight at lp.org
242. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
243. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
244. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
245. mailto:tim.hagan at lp.org
246. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
247. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
248. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
249. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
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