[Lnc-business] I assume this is Liberty Hangout's Republican Lies

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Feb 1 20:10:38 EST 2018


Would that summary be accurate?  Is there anything else relevant to add?  I
only first heard of this today and have been pretty busy to look into it.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:

> You are free to send what you'd like to members who ask you.
>
> As I've had to explain more often than I'd like over the last month or
> two, I'm not the boss of any other LNC member or officer.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >    How about this?
> >    No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
> >    convention.  Some interested members spoke to Paul's booking agent who
> >    indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee of $35,000
> >    were paid.  This agent also represents Judge Napolitano.  These
> members
> >    asked for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would raise the
> >    money. Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way.  Also,
> raising
> >    that kind of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians would mean that
> >    there is less funds for very worthy candidates running in 2018 and we
> >    have a lot of talented and informative speakers who are interested for
> >    a much lower (or no) fee.  If the members raise the money and Paul
> >    comes, it is extremely unlikely that a spot would not be made for him
> >    gladly.  We gave Paul an award last year for his long-standing
> >    contributions to liberty.  Paul himself has never contacted the LP to
> >    indicate personal interest and was never told he was unwelcome.
> >
> >    On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >    <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >    That post gets a bit personal.  I guess I will edit it down to just
> the
> >    facts and reword.
> >
> >    On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[2]chair at lp.org>
> >    wrote:
> >
> >      What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual members
> >      who
> >      have asked me to comment.
> >      -Nick
> >      On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >      <[3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >      >    Nick do we have an official statement that I can send to
> >      members who
> >      >    ask?  Or something you summed up?
> >      >
> >      >    On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> >      <[1][4]chair at lp.org>
> >      >    wrote:
> >      >
> >      >      “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its
> >      boots on.”
> >      >      Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation in a
> >      Facebook post
> >      >      (
> >      >      [2][5]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> >
> >    >      947442695418584
> >    >      ) that I've copied and pasted below:
> >    >      "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
> >    >      convention.
> >    >      Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a stink,
> spoke
> >    to
> >    >      Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's usual
> >    >      speaking
> >    >      fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a booking
> >    agent.
> >    >      (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and mentioned
> that).
> >    >      This
> >    >      group then went to the folks handling the convention for the
> LP,
> >    >      demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd later
> >    raise
> >    >      the
> >    >      money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons. Even if
> >    they
> >    >      could have done it (dubious), the party's not particularly
> >    >      interested
> >    >      in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an exorbitant
> >    >      speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic] Caucus
> >    would
> >    >      like to raise and spend that much money and rent a room in New
> >    >      Orleans
> >    >      and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that. There's
> >    nothing
> >    >      stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian candidates
> who
> >    >      could
> >    >      better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There are races
> >    that
> >    >      could be won on less money than that.
> >    >      And if he desires it enough to say he's coming regardless, I
> >    have
> >    >      little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the main-stage. It
> >    was
> >    >      just
> >    >      at the last convention that we gave him an award that he
> >    accepted
> >    >      via
> >    >      video message, after all. (An award given with some fair
> >    internal
> >    >      grumbling over his lack of support for the party or any of its
> >    >      candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
> >    Republicans).
> >    >      Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul himself
> >    expressed no
> >    >      interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he still
> >    hasn't.
> >    >      The whole point of this exercise was never to actually have him
> >    >      speak,
> >    >      but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy, and that
> >    >      intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of gripes
> >    about
> >    >      the
> >    >      party's management and operations and convention-planning, but
> >    this
> >    >      whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the convention don't
> >    >      really
> >    >      matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody from the LP
> >    told
> >    >      Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
> >    >      -Nick
> >    >
> >
> >      >    On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM,  <[3][6]arvin.vohra at lp.org>
> >      wrote:
> >      >    > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek
> >      clarification.
> >      >    >
> >      >    > [4][7]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> >      >    wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> >      >    >
> >      >
> >      > References
> >      >
> >      >    1. mailto:[8]chair at lp.org
> >      >    2. [9]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> >      w.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
> >      >    3. mailto:[10]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> >      >    4. [11]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> >      /02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> >
> > References
> >
> >    1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >    2. mailto:chair at lp.org
> >    3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >    4. mailto:chair at lp.org
> >    5. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> >    6. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> >    7. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> >    8. mailto:chair at lp.org
> >    9. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 947442695418584
> >   10. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> >   11. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
>
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   Would that summary be accurate?  Is there anything else relevant to
   add?  I only first heard of this today and have been pretty busy to
   look into it.

   On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[1]chair at lp.org>
   wrote:

     You are free to send what you'd like to members who ask you.
     As I've had to explain more often than I'd like over the last month
     or
     two, I'm not the boss of any other LNC member or officer.
     -Nick
     On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
     <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
     >    How about this?
     >    No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
     >    convention.  Some interested members spoke to Paul's booking
     agent who
     >    indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee of
     $35,000
     >    were paid.  This agent also represents Judge Napolitano.  These
     members
     >    asked for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would
     raise the
     >    money. Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way.  Also,
     raising
     >    that kind of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians would
     mean that
     >    there is less funds for very worthy candidates running in 2018
     and we
     >    have a lot of talented and informative speakers who are
     interested for
     >    a much lower (or no) fee.  If the members raise the money and
     Paul
     >    comes, it is extremely unlikely that a spot would not be made
     for him
     >    gladly.  We gave Paul an award last year for his long-standing
     >    contributions to liberty.  Paul himself has never contacted the
     LP to
     >    indicate personal interest and was never told he was unwelcome.
     >
     >    On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
     >    <[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
     >
     >    That post gets a bit personal.  I guess I will edit it down to
     just the
     >    facts and reword.
     >
     >    On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
     <[2][4]chair at lp.org>
     >    wrote:
     >
     >      What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual
     members
     >      who
     >      have asked me to comment.
     >      -Nick
     >      On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
     >      <[3][5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
     >      >    Nick do we have an official statement that I can send to
     >      members who
     >      >    ask?  Or something you summed up?
     >      >
     >      >    On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
     >      <[1][4][6]chair at lp.org>
     >      >    wrote:
     >      >
     >      >      “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling
     its
     >      boots on.”
     >      >      Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation in a
     >      Facebook post
     >      >      (
     >      >      [2][5][7]https://www.facebook.
     com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/

   >
   >    >      947442695418584
   >    >      ) that I've copied and pasted below:
   >    >      "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at
   the LP
   >    >      convention.
   >    >      Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a stink,
   spoke
   >    to
   >    >      Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's
   usual
   >    >      speaking
   >    >      fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a booking
   >    agent.
   >    >      (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and mentioned
   that).
   >    >      This
   >    >      group then went to the folks handling the convention for
   the LP,
   >    >      demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd
   later
   >    raise
   >    >      the
   >    >      money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons. Even
   if
   >    they
   >    >      could have done it (dubious), the party's not particularly
   >    >      interested
   >    >      in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an
   exorbitant
   >    >      speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic]
   Caucus
   >    would
   >    >      like to raise and spend that much money and rent a room in
   New
   >    >      Orleans
   >    >      and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that. There's
   >    nothing
   >    >      stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian
   candidates who
   >    >      could
   >    >      better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There are
   races
   >    that
   >    >      could be won on less money than that.
   >    >      And if he desires it enough to say he's coming regardless,
   I
   >    have
   >    >      little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the main-stage.
   It
   >    was
   >    >      just
   >    >      at the last convention that we gave him an award that he
   >    accepted
   >    >      via
   >    >      video message, after all. (An award given with some fair
   >    internal
   >    >      grumbling over his lack of support for the party or any of
   its
   >    >      candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
   >    Republicans).
   >    >      Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul himself
   >    expressed no
   >    >      interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he still
   >    hasn't.
   >    >      The whole point of this exercise was never to actually have
   him
   >    >      speak,
   >    >      but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy, and
   that
   >    >      intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of
   gripes
   >    about
   >    >      the
   >    >      party's management and operations and convention-planning,
   but
   >    this
   >    >      whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the convention
   don't
   >    >      really
   >    >      matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody from
   the LP
   >    told
   >    >      Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
   >    >      -Nick
   >    >
   >

     >      >    On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM,
     <[3][6][8]arvin.vohra at lp.org>
     >      wrote:
     >      >    > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek
     >      clarification.
     >      >    >
     >      >    > [4][7][9]http://libertyhangout.
     org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
     >      >    wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
     >      >    >
     >      >
     >      > References
     >      >
     >      >    1. mailto:[8][10]chair at lp.org
     >      >    2. [9][11]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
     >      w.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
     >      >    3. mailto:[10][12]arvin.vohra at lp.org
     >      >    4. [11][13]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
     >      /02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-
     convention/
     >
     > References
     >
     >    1. mailto:[14]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >    2. mailto:[15]chair at lp.org
     >    3. mailto:[16]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >    4. mailto:[17]chair at lp.org
     >    5. [18]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
     >    6. mailto:[19]arvin.vohra at lp.org
     >    7. [20]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
     >    8. mailto:[21]chair at lp.org
     >    9. [22]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
     947442695418584
     >   10. mailto:[23]arvin.vohra at lp.org
     >   11. [24]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
     wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/

References

   1. mailto:chair at lp.org
   2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   4. mailto:chair at lp.org
   5. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   6. mailto:chair at lp.org
   7. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
   8. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
   9. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
  10. mailto:chair at lp.org
  11. https://www.facebook.com/Andre
  12. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
  13. http://libertyhangout.org/2018
  14. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
  15. mailto:chair at lp.org
  16. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
  17. mailto:chair at lp.org
  18. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
  19. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
  20. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
  21. mailto:chair at lp.org
  22. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
  23. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
  24. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/


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