[Lnc-business] I assume this is Liberty Hangout's Republican Lies
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Feb 1 20:10:38 EST 2018
Would that summary be accurate? Is there anything else relevant to add? I
only first heard of this today and have been pretty busy to look into it.
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
> You are free to send what you'd like to members who ask you.
>
> As I've had to explain more often than I'd like over the last month or
> two, I'm not the boss of any other LNC member or officer.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > How about this?
> > No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
> > convention. Some interested members spoke to Paul's booking agent who
> > indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee of $35,000
> > were paid. This agent also represents Judge Napolitano. These
> members
> > asked for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would raise the
> > money. Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way. Also,
> raising
> > that kind of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians would mean that
> > there is less funds for very worthy candidates running in 2018 and we
> > have a lot of talented and informative speakers who are interested for
> > a much lower (or no) fee. If the members raise the money and Paul
> > comes, it is extremely unlikely that a spot would not be made for him
> > gladly. We gave Paul an award last year for his long-standing
> > contributions to liberty. Paul himself has never contacted the LP to
> > indicate personal interest and was never told he was unwelcome.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > That post gets a bit personal. I guess I will edit it down to just
> the
> > facts and reword.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[2]chair at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual members
> > who
> > have asked me to comment.
> > -Nick
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > > Nick do we have an official statement that I can send to
> > members who
> > > ask? Or something you summed up?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> > <[1][4]chair at lp.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its
> > boots on.”
> > > Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation in a
> > Facebook post
> > > (
> > > [2][5]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> >
> > > 947442695418584
> > > ) that I've copied and pasted below:
> > > "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
> > > convention.
> > > Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a stink,
> spoke
> > to
> > > Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's usual
> > > speaking
> > > fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a booking
> > agent.
> > > (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and mentioned
> that).
> > > This
> > > group then went to the folks handling the convention for the
> LP,
> > > demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd later
> > raise
> > > the
> > > money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons. Even if
> > they
> > > could have done it (dubious), the party's not particularly
> > > interested
> > > in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an exorbitant
> > > speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic] Caucus
> > would
> > > like to raise and spend that much money and rent a room in New
> > > Orleans
> > > and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that. There's
> > nothing
> > > stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian candidates
> who
> > > could
> > > better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There are races
> > that
> > > could be won on less money than that.
> > > And if he desires it enough to say he's coming regardless, I
> > have
> > > little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the main-stage. It
> > was
> > > just
> > > at the last convention that we gave him an award that he
> > accepted
> > > via
> > > video message, after all. (An award given with some fair
> > internal
> > > grumbling over his lack of support for the party or any of its
> > > candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
> > Republicans).
> > > Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul himself
> > expressed no
> > > interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he still
> > hasn't.
> > > The whole point of this exercise was never to actually have him
> > > speak,
> > > but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy, and that
> > > intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of gripes
> > about
> > > the
> > > party's management and operations and convention-planning, but
> > this
> > > whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the convention don't
> > > really
> > > matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody from the LP
> > told
> > > Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
> > > -Nick
> > >
> >
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM, <[3][6]arvin.vohra at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek
> > clarification.
> > > >
> > > > [4][7]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > > wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> > > >
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[8]chair at lp.org
> > > 2. [9]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> > w.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
> > > 3. mailto:[10]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > > 4. [11]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> > /02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 4. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 5. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > 6. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 7. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > 8. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 9. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 947442695418584
> > 10. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 11. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
>
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Would that summary be accurate? Is there anything else relevant to
add? I only first heard of this today and have been pretty busy to
look into it.
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[1]chair at lp.org>
wrote:
You are free to send what you'd like to members who ask you.
As I've had to explain more often than I'd like over the last month
or
two, I'm not the boss of any other LNC member or officer.
-Nick
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> How about this?
> No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
> convention. Some interested members spoke to Paul's booking
agent who
> indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee of
$35,000
> were paid. This agent also represents Judge Napolitano. These
members
> asked for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would
raise the
> money. Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way. Also,
raising
> that kind of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians would
mean that
> there is less funds for very worthy candidates running in 2018
and we
> have a lot of talented and informative speakers who are
interested for
> a much lower (or no) fee. If the members raise the money and
Paul
> comes, it is extremely unlikely that a spot would not be made
for him
> gladly. We gave Paul an award last year for his long-standing
> contributions to liberty. Paul himself has never contacted the
LP to
> indicate personal interest and was never told he was unwelcome.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> That post gets a bit personal. I guess I will edit it down to
just the
> facts and reword.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
<[2][4]chair at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual
members
> who
> have asked me to comment.
> -Nick
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[3][5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > Nick do we have an official statement that I can send to
> members who
> > ask? Or something you summed up?
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> <[1][4][6]chair at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling
its
> boots on.”
> > Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation in a
> Facebook post
> > (
> > [2][5][7]https://www.facebook.
com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
>
> > 947442695418584
> > ) that I've copied and pasted below:
> > "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at
the LP
> > convention.
> > Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a stink,
spoke
> to
> > Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's
usual
> > speaking
> > fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a booking
> agent.
> > (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and mentioned
that).
> > This
> > group then went to the folks handling the convention for
the LP,
> > demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd
later
> raise
> > the
> > money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons. Even
if
> they
> > could have done it (dubious), the party's not particularly
> > interested
> > in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an
exorbitant
> > speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic]
Caucus
> would
> > like to raise and spend that much money and rent a room in
New
> > Orleans
> > and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that. There's
> nothing
> > stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian
candidates who
> > could
> > better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There are
races
> that
> > could be won on less money than that.
> > And if he desires it enough to say he's coming regardless,
I
> have
> > little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the main-stage.
It
> was
> > just
> > at the last convention that we gave him an award that he
> accepted
> > via
> > video message, after all. (An award given with some fair
> internal
> > grumbling over his lack of support for the party or any of
its
> > candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
> Republicans).
> > Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul himself
> expressed no
> > interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he still
> hasn't.
> > The whole point of this exercise was never to actually have
him
> > speak,
> > but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy, and
that
> > intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of
gripes
> about
> > the
> > party's management and operations and convention-planning,
but
> this
> > whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the convention
don't
> > really
> > matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody from
the LP
> told
> > Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
> > -Nick
> >
>
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM,
<[3][6][8]arvin.vohra at lp.org>
> wrote:
> > > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek
> clarification.
> > >
> > > [4][7][9]http://libertyhangout.
org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> > >
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[8][10]chair at lp.org
> > 2. [9][11]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> w.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
> > 3. mailto:[10][12]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 4. [11][13]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> /02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-
convention/
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[14]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[15]chair at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[16]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[17]chair at lp.org
> 5. [18]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 6. mailto:[19]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 7. [20]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> 8. mailto:[21]chair at lp.org
> 9. [22]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
947442695418584
> 10. mailto:[23]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 11. [24]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
References
1. mailto:chair at lp.org
2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
4. mailto:chair at lp.org
5. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
6. mailto:chair at lp.org
7. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
8. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
9. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
10. mailto:chair at lp.org
11. https://www.facebook.com/Andre
12. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
13. http://libertyhangout.org/2018
14. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
15. mailto:chair at lp.org
16. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
17. mailto:chair at lp.org
18. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
19. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
20. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
21. mailto:chair at lp.org
22. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
23. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
24. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
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