[Lnc-business] I assume this is Liberty Hangout's Republican Lies
Patrick McKnight
patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com
Sun Feb 4 11:27:43 EST 2018
This story is going viral and giving us alot of bad press. I think we need
to clarify that nobody was "banned", we simply couldn't afford a $35,000
speaking fee.
Thanks,
Patrick McKnight
Region 8 Rep
Chair, NJLP
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
> It appears accurate to me, not sure what else would be necessary to say.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > Would that summary be accurate? Is there anything else relevant to
> > add? I only first heard of this today and have been pretty busy to
> > look into it.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[1]chair at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > You are free to send what you'd like to members who ask you.
> > As I've had to explain more often than I'd like over the last month
> > or
> > two, I'm not the boss of any other LNC member or officer.
> > -Nick
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > > How about this?
> > > No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
> > > convention. Some interested members spoke to Paul's booking
> > agent who
> > > indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee of
> > $35,000
> > > were paid. This agent also represents Judge Napolitano. These
> > members
> > > asked for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would
> > raise the
> > > money. Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way. Also,
> > raising
> > > that kind of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians would
> > mean that
> > > there is less funds for very worthy candidates running in 2018
> > and we
> > > have a lot of talented and informative speakers who are
> > interested for
> > > a much lower (or no) fee. If the members raise the money and
> > Paul
> > > comes, it is extremely unlikely that a spot would not be made
> > for him
> > > gladly. We gave Paul an award last year for his long-standing
> > > contributions to liberty. Paul himself has never contacted the
> > LP to
> > > indicate personal interest and was never told he was unwelcome.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > <[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > That post gets a bit personal. I guess I will edit it down to
> > just the
> > > facts and reword.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> > <[2][4]chair at lp.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual
> > members
> > > who
> > > have asked me to comment.
> > > -Nick
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > <[3][5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > > > Nick do we have an official statement that I can send to
> > > members who
> > > > ask? Or something you summed up?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> > > <[1][4][6]chair at lp.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling
> > its
> > > boots on.”
> > > > Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation in a
> > > Facebook post
> > > > (
> > > > [2][5][7]https://www.facebook.
> > com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> >
> > >
> > > > 947442695418584
> > > > ) that I've copied and pasted below:
> > > > "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at
> > the LP
> > > > convention.
> > > > Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a stink,
> > spoke
> > > to
> > > > Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's
> > usual
> > > > speaking
> > > > fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a
> booking
> > > agent.
> > > > (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and mentioned
> > that).
> > > > This
> > > > group then went to the folks handling the convention for
> > the LP,
> > > > demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd
> > later
> > > raise
> > > > the
> > > > money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons.
> Even
> > if
> > > they
> > > > could have done it (dubious), the party's not particularly
> > > > interested
> > > > in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an
> > exorbitant
> > > > speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic]
> > Caucus
> > > would
> > > > like to raise and spend that much money and rent a room in
> > New
> > > > Orleans
> > > > and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that. There's
> > > nothing
> > > > stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian
> > candidates who
> > > > could
> > > > better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There are
> > races
> > > that
> > > > could be won on less money than that.
> > > > And if he desires it enough to say he's coming regardless,
> > I
> > > have
> > > > little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the main-stage.
> > It
> > > was
> > > > just
> > > > at the last convention that we gave him an award that he
> > > accepted
> > > > via
> > > > video message, after all. (An award given with some fair
> > > internal
> > > > grumbling over his lack of support for the party or any of
> > its
> > > > candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
> > > Republicans).
> > > > Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul himself
> > > expressed no
> > > > interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he still
> > > hasn't.
> > > > The whole point of this exercise was never to actually
> have
> > him
> > > > speak,
> > > > but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy, and
> > that
> > > > intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of
> > gripes
> > > about
> > > > the
> > > > party's management and operations and convention-planning,
> > but
> > > this
> > > > whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the convention
> > don't
> > > > really
> > > > matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody from
> > the LP
> > > told
> > > > Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
> > > > -Nick
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM,
> > <[3][6][8]arvin.vohra at lp.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek
> > > clarification.
> > > > >
> > > > > [4][7][9]http://libertyhangout.
> > org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > > > wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > References
> > > >
> > > > 1. mailto:[8][10]chair at lp.org
> > > > 2. [9][11]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> > > w.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
> > > > 3. mailto:[10][12]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > > > 4. [11][13]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> > > /02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-
> > convention/
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[14]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > > 2. mailto:[15]chair at lp.org
> > > 3. mailto:[16]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > > 4. mailto:[17]chair at lp.org
> > > 5. [18]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > > 6. mailto:[19]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > > 7. [20]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > > 8. mailto:[21]chair at lp.org
> > > 9. [22]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > 947442695418584
> > > 10. mailto:[23]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > > 11. [24]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 4. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 5. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 6. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 7. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > 8. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 9. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > 10. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 11. https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> > 12. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 13. http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> > 14. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 15. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 16. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 17. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 18. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > 19. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 20. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > 21. mailto:chair at lp.org
> > 22. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 947442695418584
> > 23. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 24. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
>
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This story is going viral and giving us alot of bad press. I think we
need to clarify that nobody was "banned", we simply couldn't afford a
$35,000 speaking fee.
Thanks,
Patrick McKnight
Region 8 Rep
Chair, NJLP
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[1]chair at lp.org>
wrote:
It appears accurate to me, not sure what else would be necessary to
say.
-Nick
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> Would that summary be accurate? Is there anything else relevant
to
> add? I only first heard of this today and have been pretty busy
to
> look into it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
<[1][3]chair at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> You are free to send what you'd like to members who ask you.
> As I've had to explain more often than I'd like over the last
month
> or
> two, I'm not the boss of any other LNC member or officer.
> -Nick
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > How about this?
> > No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the
LP
> > convention. Some interested members spoke to Paul's
booking
> agent who
> > indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee
of
> $35,000
> > were paid. This agent also represents Judge Napolitano.
These
> members
> > asked for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would
> raise the
> > money. Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way.
Also,
> raising
> > that kind of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians
would
> mean that
> > there is less funds for very worthy candidates running in
2018
> and we
> > have a lot of talented and informative speakers who are
> interested for
> > a much lower (or no) fee. If the members raise the money
and
> Paul
> > comes, it is extremely unlikely that a spot would not be
made
> for him
> > gladly. We gave Paul an award last year for his
long-standing
> > contributions to liberty. Paul himself has never contacted
the
> LP to
> > indicate personal interest and was never told he was
unwelcome.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[1][3][5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > That post gets a bit personal. I guess I will edit it down
to
> just the
> > facts and reword.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> <[2][4][6]chair at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual
> members
> > who
> > have asked me to comment.
> > -Nick
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[3][5][7]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > > Nick do we have an official statement that I can
send to
> > members who
> > > ask? Or something you summed up?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> > <[1][4][6][8]chair at lp.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > “A lie will go round the world while truth is
pulling
> its
> > boots on.”
> > > Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation
in a
> > Facebook post
> > > (
> > > [2][5][7][9]https://www.facebook.
> com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
>
> >
> > > 947442695418584
> > > ) that I've copied and pasted below:
> > > "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking
at
> the LP
> > > convention.
> > > Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a
stink,
> spoke
> > to
> > > Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's
> usual
> > > speaking
> > > fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a
booking
> > agent.
> > > (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and
mentioned
> that).
> > > This
> > > group then went to the folks handling the convention
for
> the LP,
> > > demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd
> later
> > raise
> > > the
> > > money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons.
Even
> if
> > they
> > > could have done it (dubious), the party's not
particularly
> > > interested
> > > in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an
> exorbitant
> > > speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic]
> Caucus
> > would
> > > like to raise and spend that much money and rent a
room in
> New
> > > Orleans
> > > and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that.
There's
> > nothing
> > > stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian
> candidates who
> > > could
> > > better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There
are
> races
> > that
> > > could be won on less money than that.
> > > And if he desires it enough to say he's coming
regardless,
> I
> > have
> > > little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the
main-stage.
> It
> > was
> > > just
> > > at the last convention that we gave him an award that
he
> > accepted
> > > via
> > > video message, after all. (An award given with some
fair
> > internal
> > > grumbling over his lack of support for the party or
any of
> its
> > > candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
> > Republicans).
> > > Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul
himself
> > expressed no
> > > interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he
still
> > hasn't.
> > > The whole point of this exercise was never to actually
have
> him
> > > speak,
> > > but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy,
and
> that
> > > intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of
> gripes
> > about
> > > the
> > > party's management and operations and
convention-planning,
> but
> > this
> > > whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the
convention
> don't
> > > really
> > > matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody
from
> the LP
> > told
> > > Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
> > > -Nick
> > >
> >
>
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM,
> <[3][6][8][10]arvin.vohra at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek
> > clarification.
> > > >
> > > > [4][7][9][11]http://libertyhangout.
> org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > > wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> > > >
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[8][10][12]chair at lp.org
> > > 2. [9][11][13]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> > w.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
> > > 3. mailto:[10][12][14]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > > 4. [11][13][15]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> > /02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-
> convention/
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[14][16]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:[15][17]chair at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:[16][18]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 4. mailto:[17][19]chair at lp.org
> > 5. [18][20]https://www.facebook.com/
Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > 6. mailto:[19][21]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 7. [20][22]http://libertyhangout.org/
2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > 8. mailto:[21][23]chair at lp.org
> > 9. [22][24]https://www.facebook.com/
Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 947442695418584
> > 10. mailto:[23][25]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 11. [24][26]http://libertyhangout.org/
2018/02/libertarian-party-
> wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[27]chair at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[28]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[29]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[30]chair at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[31]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 6. mailto:[32]chair at lp.org
> 7. [33]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 8. mailto:[34]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 9. [35]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> 10. mailto:[36]chair at lp.org
> 11. [37]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> 12. mailto:[38]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 13. [39]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> 14. mailto:[40]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 15. mailto:[41]chair at lp.org
> 16. mailto:[42]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 17. mailto:[43]chair at lp.org
> 18. [44]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 19. mailto:[45]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 20. [46]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> 21. mailto:[47]chair at lp.org
> 22. [48]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
947442695418584
> 23. mailto:[49]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 24. [50]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
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3. mailto:chair at lp.org
4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
6. mailto:chair at lp.org
7. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
8. mailto:chair at lp.org
9. https://www.facebook/
10. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
11. http://libertyhangout/
12. mailto:chair at lp.org
13. https://www.facebook.com/Andre
14. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
15. http://libertyhangout.org/2018
16. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
17. mailto:chair at lp.org
18. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
19. mailto:chair at lp.org
20. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
21. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
22. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
23. mailto:chair at lp.org
24. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
25. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
26. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
27. mailto:chair at lp.org
28. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
29. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
30. mailto:chair at lp.org
31. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
32. mailto:chair at lp.org
33. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
34. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
35. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
36. mailto:chair at lp.org
37. https://www.facebook.com/Andre
38. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
39. http://libertyhangout.org/2018
40. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
41. mailto:chair at lp.org
42. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
43. mailto:chair at lp.org
44. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
45. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
46. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
47. mailto:chair at lp.org
48. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
49. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
50. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
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