[Lnc-business] Caryn Ann Harlos fundraising and membership recruitment
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Feb 23 18:30:13 EST 2018
I’m not going to devolve into those arguments. It was an inappropriate
insinuation. Which you just followed with another one.
I followed protocol as I understood it. This was in the discretion of the
ED. The Chair and Treasurer approves. Staff was openly coordinating with
me. There was absolutely nothing that would have anticipated this to me as
the day to day managers of the Party approved.
I think that is pretty obvious considering my angst about pennies on
steemit.
A few weeks ago I had a concern with something said that could involve you
that was disturbing. I asked you directly and it confirmed my judgment of
you that you wouldn’t condone.
You suggested I would have my platcomm expenses paid while povertaruans
suffered. That is inappropriate but I can’t make you see that if you don’t
and I won’t spend further time trying. A comment of mine about donating a
weekend if I was going to be there anyway (not odd at all ) was twisted
into something “disturbing” - couching it with “I wonder” doesn’t change
that fact.
That was a low comment. If it were made to you you would be requesting me
to call it out. And I frankly would.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:16 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:
> I didn't insinuate, I asked a direct question. As for the courtesy of a
> direct inquiry, I suggest that all of this could have been avoided, with
> the courtesy of direct communications with this board.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2018-02-23 18:02, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > Like usual - I omitted a “no” - Joshua there is no moving forward at
> > least with my volunteering on this. I will decline.
> > I will do things on my own as I have done. Less effectively and
> > less
> > often but more peacefully.
> > My integrity is my highest possession and to have an insinuation
> > stated
> > by a peer without even the courtesy of a direct inquiry is my cutoff
> > point.
> > It is said Libertarians have trouble accomplishing things and eat
> > their
> > own.
> > QED.
> > I never thought I would regret my recruiting success. The LP has
> > surprised me once again.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:49 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> > <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Well, Caryn Ann, it's you who have used the word sinister, not I.
> > You wrote:
> > " My comment was simply and only how I would spend my time. Which
> > I
> > do
> > at every event."
> > In which case, you can do without being reimbursed, by the
> > national
> > LP.
> > Glad we're in agreement.
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > On 2018-02-23 17:10, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > > Elizabeth I am shocked frankly at an ability to read something
> > sinister
> > > but not everything.
> > > My comment to the Platform Committee had ZERO intentions of
> > that.
> > > I have already clearly stated here that recruitment trips are
> > just
> > > that
> > > and nothing more. My comment was simply and only how I would
> > spend
> > > my
> > > time. Which I do at every event.
> > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joshua Katz
> > > <[1][2]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree with most of Ms. Van Horn's points, although I'd
> > > emphasize that
> > > my issue is more about disclosure of potential issues to
> > the
> > > board
> > > ahead of time and the potential fiduciary issues I see
> > here. I
> > > explained some, I can find more. The solution to that
> > is,
> > in
> > > the
> > > future, disclosure to the board of transactions
> > involving
> > LNC
> > > members,
> > > and the orientation I mentioned earlier. Anyway, I am
> > writing
> > > to
> > > express disagreement with one point: I almost always
> > disagree
> > > with
> > > clawbacks or requested clawbacks absent actual
> > malfeasance. I
> > > would
> > > disagree with requesting the return of funds or stopping
> > funds
> > > in
> > > progress.
> > > Joshua A. Katz
> > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > <[1][2][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> > > Wes, here's my feedback, and I don't mind saying that
> > I
> > was
> > > shocked
> > > to read that an LNC member is being reimbursed to
> > attend
> > > state
> > > conventions within their own region.
> > > Dear LNC,
> > > Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
> > dues-paying
> > > members by
> > > attending state conventions and getting people to
> > join
> > > or
> > > renew.
> > > At first, she did this at state conventions she
> > was
> > > attending
> > > in her
> > > region at her own expense.
> > > I've no problem with this. LNC representatives often
> > attend
> > > state
> > > conventions within their own region, and if she works
> > to
> > > boost
> > > national membership while there, that's cool.<<<
> > > Her results were so strong that I asked her if
> > she
> > would
> > > be
> > > willing
> > > to go to some other states outside of her region
> > to
> > do
> > > similar
> > > fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
> > > reimbursed.
> > > < This is something that should have been told to the
> > LNC,
> > > and
> > > even
> > > discussed. Why are we only finding this out, after
> > someone
> > > inquired? Where's the transparency?<<<
> > > We have been struggling to keep membership from
> > falling.
> > > We
> > > send
> > > renewal emails and renewal letters that perform
> > > reasonably
> > > well
> > > but
> > > pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we
> > try
> > > have
> > > very
> > > low
> > > ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively
> > strong.
> > > Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
> > convention
> > last
> > > weekend
> > > and
> > > recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the
> > national
> > > LP.
> > > That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her
> > for her
> > > travel.
> > > I have a problem with this. Many LNC Regional
> > > Representatives
> > > will attend state conventions within their region. If
> > any of
> > > them
> > > do membership recruiting for national while there,
> > that's
> > > something
> > > they choose to do. Are you suggesting that Caryn Ann
> > > wouldn't
> > > have
> > > tried to boost membership at a state convention within
> > her
> > > region,
> > > if she wasn't reimbursed? Because, I doubt that.
> > This
> > was
> > > something she was doing as she chose to do, while
> > attending
> > > conventions within her own region. This isn't
> > something
> > that
> > > an
> > > LNC
> > > member should be reimbursed for. <<<
> > > I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
> > conventions to
> > > have
> > > her do
> > > this work. No one else has done this as
> > successfully as
> > > Caryn
> > > Ann.
> > > Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for
> > her
> > > time.
> > > Wes, you don't know what others have done regarding
> > > recruiting,
> > > as
> > > most people do it as a normal part of being in the LP.
> > I,
> > > nor
> > > most
> > > others, keep a log of the people we've gotten to join
> > the LP,
> > > as I
> > > see it as a given this is done.<<<
> > > Wes, do you know why my own state affiliate has let
> > national
> > > membership drop? Because, they're unhappy with the
> > national
> > > LP. At
> > > my last state convention, our officers said that they
> > want
> > > people to
> > > keep state memberships current, but national doesn't
> > do
> > > anything for
> > > them, so they don't care much about that. I had to
> > mention
> > > that our
> > > delegate count is tied to national membership, and
> > since
> > > then,
> > > I
> > > followed -up on that, but our numbers still have
> > dropped.
> > > I've
> > > been
> > > thinking of a way to reverse that, but if LPIN is
> > successful
> > > in
> > > reversing that trend, it's because our volunteers are
> > > passionate
> > > about the LP and liberty actions. Not because anyone
> > is
> > > being
> > > reimbursed for the expenses of travel and time. (My
> > state
> > > isn't the
> > > only one that feels this way, btw)<<<
> > > For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to take
> > the
> > > time
> > > to
> > > attend,
> > > I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears.
> > The
> > thing
> > > with
> > > Jess
> > > is that we pay her for her hours to travel,
> > attend,
> > and
> > > return
> > > from
> > > state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high
> > of
> > a
> > > ROI.
> > > I personally wouldn't send anyone to state
> > conventions
> > to
> > > boost
> > > national membership, if the national LP is paying for
> > it.
> > > Instead,
> > > we should work to create a better LP that's responsive
> > to
> > > it's
> > > members and the public, and we grow through people
> > seeking to
> > > join
> > > us. Organic growth.<<<
> > > I received a complaint today that it is
> > inappropriate
> > > for
> > > someone
> > > running for a position on the LNC to have travel
> > > reimbursed.
> > > I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think
> > it's a
> > > violation
> > > of our policies.
> > > It's a matter of principal. Byreimbursing Caryn Ann
> > Harlos
> > > for
> > > traveling to state conventions within her own region,
> > the LP
> > > is
> > > subsidizing her efforts as a regional representative.
> > This is
> > > inappropriate.<<<
> > > Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
> > > feedback. If
> > > you
> > > request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any
> > other
> > > LNC
> > > member
> > > to state conventions for the purpose of
> > recruiting
> > > dues-paying
> > > members, we can end the program.
> > > Yes, I'm requesting a stop to reimbursing LNC members
> > for
> > > travel to
> > > state conventions within their own region. I also am
> > > requesting
> > > that Caryn Ann repay the LP for the reimbursement
> > costs
> > of
> > > any
> > > state
> > > conventions she attended within her region.
> > > As for "sending her" to other state conventions, this
> > should
> > > be
> > > discussed by the LNC.<<<
> > > A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to
> > go
> > to
> > > state
> > > convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
> > > members--why
> > > don't
> > > you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved
> > her
> > > willingness
> > > and capability within her own region. No other
> > LNC
> > > members
> > > have
> > > mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
> > members
> > from
> > > their
> > > states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears together are not
> > able
> > > to
> > > attend
> > > every state convention. If you are interested in
> > > helping,
> > > and
> > > willing to prove your ability first at a state in
> > your
> > > region
> > > or at
> > > another state at your own expense, let me know
> > and
> > we
> > > might be
> > > able
> > > to try that. And then we can report the results.
> > > Wes, I know a woman who renewed her membership due to
> > a
> > FB
> > > post
> > > that Andy Craig made. (She publicly wrote that he's
> > the
> > > reason
> > > she
> > > renewed) I'd wager that Andy is responsible for
> > quite
> > a
> > > number of
> > > people renewing or joining the LP. As Andy's an
> > excellent
> > > advocate
> > > for the cause that is the LP. If you want to find
> > someone
> > > who's out
> > > there building up hope in the LP, and getting people
> > on
> > > board,
> > > he's
> > > the one. You probably don't know this stuff, as Andy
> > doesn't
> > > seek
> > > to be recognized for his efforts, he probably sees it
> > as
> > > normal
> > > for
> > > people who support the LP.
> > > Nor, do I know of others within the LP who keep track
> > of
> > how
> > > many
> > > people they've recruited. So, your statement asking
> > people
> > > to
> > > "prove your ability", is moot.<<<
> > > (truncated)
> > > ---
> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > On 2018-02-22 22:56, Wes Benedict wrote:
> > > Dear LNC,
> > > Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
> > dues-paying
> > > members by
> > > attending state conventions and getting people to
> > join
> > > or
> > > renew.
> > > At first, she did this at state conventions she
> > was
> > > attending
> > > in her
> > > region at her own expense.
> > > Her results were so strong that I asked her if
> > she
> > would
> > > be
> > > willing
> > > to go to some other states outside of her region
> > to
> > do
> > > similar
> > > fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
> > > reimbursed.
> > > We have been struggling to keep membership from
> > falling.
> > > We
> > > send
> > > renewal emails and renewal letters that perform
> > > reasonably
> > > well
> > > but
> > > pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we
> > try
> > > have
> > > very
> > > low
> > > ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively
> > strong.
> > > Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
> > convention
> > last
> > > weekend
> > > and
> > > recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the
> > national
> > > LP.
> > > That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her
> > for her
> > > travel.
> > > I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
> > conventions to
> > > have
> > > her do
> > > this work. No one else has done this as
> > successfully as
> > > Caryn
> > > Ann.
> > > Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for
> > her
> > > time.
> > > For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to take
> > the
> > > time
> > > to
> > > attend,
> > > I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears.
> > The
> > thing
> > > with
> > > Jess
> > > is that we pay her for her hours to travel,
> > attend,
> > and
> > > return
> > > from
> > > state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high
> > of
> > a
> > > ROI.
> > > I received a complaint today that it is
> > inappropriate
> > > for
> > > someone
> > > running for a position on the LNC to have travel
> > > reimbursed.
> > > I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think
> > it's a
> > > violation
> > > of our policies.
> > > Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
> > > feedback. If
> > > you
> > > request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any
> > other
> > > LNC
> > > member
> > > to state conventions for the purpose of
> > recruiting
> > > dues-paying
> > > members, we can end the program.
> > > A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to
> > go
> > to
> > > state
> > > convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
> > > members--why
> > > don't
> > > you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved
> > her
> > > willingness
> > > and capability within her own region. No other
> > LNC
> > > members
> > > have
> > > mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
> > members
> > from
> > > their
> > > states. Cary[2]n Ann and Jess Mears together are
> > not
> > > able
> > > to
> > > attend
> > > every state convention. If you are interested in
> > > helping,
> > > and
> > > willing to prove your ability first at a state in
> > your
> > > region
> > > or at
> > > another state at your own expense, let me know
> > and
> > we
> > > might be
> > > able
> > > to try that. And then we can report the results.
> > > Below is a report from Robert Kraus with some of
> > the
> > > fundraising
> > > results from Caryn Ann.
> > > I welcome your feedback.
> > > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> > > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> > > 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> > > [3](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> > [1][4][3][4]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > [2][5][4][5]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> > > Join the Libertarian Party at:
> > > [3][6][5][6]http://lp.org/membership
> > > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > Subject: Harlos Fundraising
> > > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47 -0500
> > > From: Robert S. Kraus
> > [4]<[7][6][7]robert.kraus at lp.org>
> > > To: Wes Benedict
> > [5]<[8][7][8]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> > > I have [9]Harlos pegged as solicitor for a total of
> > $2,335.00
> > > for 82
> > > members 49 of which where new (these 82 folks have
> > also
> > > contributed
> > > a
> > > net total excluding conv related gifts of $6,261.74
> > since
> > > 2016
> > > convention - bunch of them to Hist Preservation of
> > course so
> > > she has
> > > her
> > > fans)
> > > In addition she is likely 95% responsible for the
> > $12,120
> > > raised for
> > > Historic Preservation
> > > Finally she has given $2181 herself since the 2016
> > convention
> > > (non
> > > convention related - however $1525 was for Hist
> > Preservation)
> > > --
> > > Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
> > > [6]Operations at LP.org
> > > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> > > 1444 Duke Street
> > > Alexandria, VA 22314
> > > Ph: [10]202.333.0008 x 231
> > > References
> > > 1. mailto:[11][8][9]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 2. [12][9][10]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > > 3. [13][10][11]http://lp.org/membership
> > > 4. mailto:[14][11][12]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > > 5. mailto:[15][12][13]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 6. mailto:[16]Operations at LP.org
> > > References
> > > 1. mailto:[13][14]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > > 2.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [14][15]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are
> > +n&e
> > > ntry=gmail&source=g
> > > 3. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > > 4. mailto:[15][16]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 5. [16][17]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > > 6. [17][18]http://lp.org/membership
> > > 7. mailto:[18][19]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > > 8. mailto:[19][20]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 9.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [20][21]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+
> > tota
> > > l+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> > > 10. tel:202.333.0008 x 231
> > > 11. mailto:[21][22]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 12. [22][23]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > > 13. [23][24]http://lp.org/membership
> > > 14. mailto:[24][25]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > > 15. mailto:[25][26]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 16. mailto:[26]Operations at LP.org
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[27]planning4liberty at gmail.com
> > > 2. mailto:[28]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > > 3. mailto:[29]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 4. [30]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > > 5. [31]http://lp.org/membership
> > > 6. mailto:[32]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > > 7. mailto:[33]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 8. mailto:[34]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 9. [35]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > > 10. [36]http://lp.org/membership
> > > 11. mailto:[37]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > > 12. mailto:[38]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 13. mailto:[39]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > > 14.
> > >
> >
> > [40]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&e
> > ntry=gmail&source=g
> > > 15. mailto:[41]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 16. [42]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > > 17. [43]http://lp.org/membership
> > > 18. mailto:[44]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > > 19. mailto:[45]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 20.
> > >
> >
> > [46]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+tota
> > l+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> > > 21. mailto:[47]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 22. [48]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > > 23. [49]http://lp.org/membership
> > > 24. mailto:[50]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > > 25. mailto:[51]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > > 26. mailto:[52]Operations at LP.org
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> > 3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 4. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 5. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 6. http://lp.org/membership
> > 7. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 8. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 9. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 10. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 11. http://lp.org/membership
> > 12. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 13. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 14. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 15. https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&e
> > 16. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 17. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 18. http://lp.org/membership
> > 19. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 20. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 21. https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+tota
> > 22. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 23. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 24. http://lp.org/membership
> > 25. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 26. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 27. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> > 28. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 29. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 30. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 31. http://lp.org/membership
> > 32. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 33. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 34. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 35. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 36. http://lp.org/membership
> > 37. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 38. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 39. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 40.
> >
> https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 41. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 42. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 43. http://lp.org/membership
> > 44. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 45. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 46.
> >
> https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+total+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 47. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 48. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 49. http://lp.org/membership
> > 50. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 51. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 52. mailto:Operations at LP.org
>
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I’m not going to devolve into those arguments. It was an inappropriate
insinuation. Which you just followed with another one.
I followed protocol as I understood it. This was in the discretion of
the ED. The Chair and Treasurer approves. Staff was openly
coordinating with me. There was absolutely nothing that would have
anticipated this to me as the day to day managers of the Party
approved.
I think that is pretty obvious considering my angst about pennies on
steemit.
A few weeks ago I had a concern with something said that could involve
you that was disturbing. I asked you directly and it confirmed my
judgment of you that you wouldn’t condone.
You suggested I would have my platcomm expenses paid while povertaruans
suffered. That is inappropriate but I can’t make you see that if you
don’t and I won’t spend further time trying. A comment of mine about
donating a weekend if I was going to be there anyway (not odd at all )
was twisted into something “disturbing” - couching it with “I wonder”
doesn’t change that fact.
That was a low comment. If it were made to you you would be requesting
me to call it out. And I frankly would.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:16 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
I didn't insinuate, I asked a direct question. As for the courtesy
of a
direct inquiry, I suggest that all of this could have been avoided,
with
the courtesy of direct communications with this board.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-02-23 18:02, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Like usual - I omitted a “no” - Joshua there is no moving forward
at
> least with my volunteering on this. I will decline.
> I will do things on my own as I have done. Less effectively
and
> less
> often but more peacefully.
> My integrity is my highest possession and to have an
insinuation
> stated
> by a peer without even the courtesy of a direct inquiry is my
cutoff
> point.
> It is said Libertarians have trouble accomplishing things and
eat
> their
> own.
> QED.
> I never thought I would regret my recruiting success. The LP
has
> surprised me once again.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:49 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Well, Caryn Ann, it's you who have used the word sinister,
not I.
> You wrote:
> " My comment was simply and only how I would spend my time.
Which
> I
> do
> at every event."
> In which case, you can do without being reimbursed, by the
> national
> LP.
> Glad we're in agreement.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> On 2018-02-23 17:10, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > Elizabeth I am shocked frankly at an ability to read
something
> sinister
> > but not everything.
> > My comment to the Platform Committee had ZERO intentions
of
> that.
> > I have already clearly stated here that recruitment
trips are
> just
> > that
> > and nothing more. My comment was simply and only how I
would
> spend
> > my
> > time. Which I do at every event.
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joshua Katz
> > <[1][2][3]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with most of Ms. Van Horn's points,
although I'd
> > emphasize that
> > my issue is more about disclosure of potential
issues to
> the
> > board
> > ahead of time and the potential fiduciary issues I
see
> here. I
> > explained some, I can find more. The solution to
that
> is,
> in
> > the
> > future, disclosure to the board of transactions
> involving
> LNC
> > members,
> > and the orientation I mentioned earlier. Anyway, I
am
> writing
> > to
> > express disagreement with one point: I almost
always
> disagree
> > with
> > clawbacks or requested clawbacks absent actual
> malfeasance. I
> > would
> > disagree with requesting the return of funds or
stopping
> funds
> > in
> > progress.
> > Joshua A. Katz
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> > <[1][2][3][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> > Wes, here's my feedback, and I don't mind saying
that
> I
> was
> > shocked
> > to read that an LNC member is being reimbursed to
> attend
> > state
> > conventions within their own region.
> > Dear LNC,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
> dues-paying
> > members by
> > attending state conventions and getting
people to
> join
> > or
> > renew.
> > At first, she did this at state conventions
she
> was
> > attending
> > in her
> > region at her own expense.
> > I've no problem with this. LNC representatives
often
> attend
> > state
> > conventions within their own region, and if she
works
> to
> > boost
> > national membership while there, that's cool.<<<
> > Her results were so strong that I asked her
if
> she
> would
> > be
> > willing
> > to go to some other states outside of her
region
> to
> do
> > similar
> > fundraising efforts if her travel expenses
were
> > reimbursed.
> > < This is something that should have been told to
the
> LNC,
> > and
> > even
> > discussed. Why are we only finding this out,
after
> someone
> > inquired? Where's the transparency?<<<
> > We have been struggling to keep membership
from
> falling.
> > We
> > send
> > renewal emails and renewal letters that
perform
> > reasonably
> > well
> > but
> > pretty much exhaust that method. Other
methods we
> try
> > have
> > very
> > low
> > ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively
> strong.
> > Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
> convention
> last
> > weekend
> > and
> > recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for
the
> national
> > LP.
> > That trip is one in which we have reimbursed
her
> for her
> > travel.
> > I have a problem with this. Many LNC Regional
> > Representatives
> > will attend state conventions within their
region. If
> any of
> > them
> > do membership recruiting for national while
there,
> that's
> > something
> > they choose to do. Are you suggesting that Caryn
Ann
> > wouldn't
> > have
> > tried to boost membership at a state convention
within
> her
> > region,
> > if she wasn't reimbursed? Because, I doubt that.
> This
> was
> > something she was doing as she chose to do, while
> attending
> > conventions within her own region. This isn't
> something
> that
> > an
> > LNC
> > member should be reimbursed for. <<<
> > I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
> conventions to
> > have
> > her do
> > this work. No one else has done this as
> successfully as
> > Caryn
> > Ann.
> > Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her
for
> her
> > time.
> > Wes, you don't know what others have done
regarding
> > recruiting,
> > as
> > most people do it as a normal part of being in
the LP.
> I,
> > nor
> > most
> > others, keep a log of the people we've gotten to
join
> the LP,
> > as I
> > see it as a given this is done.<<<
> > Wes, do you know why my own state affiliate has
let
> national
> > membership drop? Because, they're unhappy with
the
> national
> > LP. At
> > my last state convention, our officers said that
they
> want
> > people to
> > keep state memberships current, but national
doesn't
> do
> > anything for
> > them, so they don't care much about that. I had
to
> mention
> > that our
> > delegate count is tied to national membership,
and
> since
> > then,
> > I
> > followed -up on that, but our numbers still have
> dropped.
> > I've
> > been
> > thinking of a way to reverse that, but if LPIN is
> successful
> > in
> > reversing that trend, it's because our volunteers
are
> > passionate
> > about the LP and liberty actions. Not because
anyone
> is
> > being
> > reimbursed for the expenses of travel and time.
(My
> state
> > isn't the
> > only one that feels this way, btw)<<<
> > For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to
take
> the
> > time
> > to
> > attend,
> > I will be sending our staff member Jess
Mears.
> The
> thing
> > with
> > Jess
> > is that we pay her for her hours to travel,
> attend,
> and
> > return
> > from
> > state conventions. She's unlikely to get as
high
> of
> a
> > ROI.
> > I personally wouldn't send anyone to state
> conventions
> to
> > boost
> > national membership, if the national LP is paying
for
> it.
> > Instead,
> > we should work to create a better LP that's
responsive
> to
> > it's
> > members and the public, and we grow through
people
> seeking to
> > join
> > us. Organic growth.<<<
> > I received a complaint today that it is
> inappropriate
> > for
> > someone
> > running for a position on the LNC to have
travel
> > reimbursed.
> > I sympathize with the complaint, but do not
think
> it's a
> > violation
> > of our policies.
> > It's a matter of principal. Byreimbursing Caryn
Ann
> Harlos
> > for
> > traveling to state conventions within her own
region,
> the LP
> > is
> > subsidizing her efforts as a regional
representative.
> This is
> > inappropriate.<<<
> > Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for
your
> > feedback. If
> > you
> > request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos
or any
> other
> > LNC
> > member
> > to state conventions for the purpose of
> recruiting
> > dues-paying
> > members, we can end the program.
> > Yes, I'm requesting a stop to reimbursing LNC
members
> for
> > travel to
> > state conventions within their own region. I
also am
> > requesting
> > that Caryn Ann repay the LP for the reimbursement
> costs
> of
> > any
> > state
> > conventions she attended within her region.
> > As for "sending her" to other state conventions,
this
> should
> > be
> > discussed by the LNC.<<<
> > A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing
to
> go
> to
> > state
> > convention at the expense of the LNC and
recruit
> > members--why
> > don't
> > you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann
proved
> her
> > willingness
> > and capability within her own region. No
other
> LNC
> > members
> > have
> > mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
> members
> from
> > their
> > states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears together
are not
> able
> > to
> > attend
> > every state convention. If you are
interested in
> > helping,
> > and
> > willing to prove your ability first at a
state in
> your
> > region
> > or at
> > another state at your own expense, let me
know
> and
> we
> > might be
> > able
> > to try that. And then we can report the
results.
> > Wes, I know a woman who renewed her membership
due to
> a
> FB
> > post
> > that Andy Craig made. (She publicly wrote that
he's
> the
> > reason
> > she
> > renewed) I'd wager that Andy is responsible for
> quite
> a
> > number of
> > people renewing or joining the LP. As Andy's an
> excellent
> > advocate
> > for the cause that is the LP. If you want to
find
> someone
> > who's out
> > there building up hope in the LP, and getting
people
> on
> > board,
> > he's
> > the one. You probably don't know this stuff, as
Andy
> doesn't
> > seek
> > to be recognized for his efforts, he probably
sees it
> as
> > normal
> > for
> > people who support the LP.
> > Nor, do I know of others within the LP who keep
track
> of
> how
> > many
> > people they've recruited. So, your statement
asking
> people
> > to
> > "prove your ability", is moot.<<<
> > (truncated)
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > On 2018-02-22 22:56, Wes Benedict wrote:
> > Dear LNC,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
> dues-paying
> > members by
> > attending state conventions and getting
people to
> join
> > or
> > renew.
> > At first, she did this at state conventions
she
> was
> > attending
> > in her
> > region at her own expense.
> > Her results were so strong that I asked her
if
> she
> would
> > be
> > willing
> > to go to some other states outside of her
region
> to
> do
> > similar
> > fundraising efforts if her travel expenses
were
> > reimbursed.
> > We have been struggling to keep membership
from
> falling.
> > We
> > send
> > renewal emails and renewal letters that
perform
> > reasonably
> > well
> > but
> > pretty much exhaust that method. Other
methods we
> try
> > have
> > very
> > low
> > ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively
> strong.
> > Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
> convention
> last
> > weekend
> > and
> > recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for
the
> national
> > LP.
> > That trip is one in which we have reimbursed
her
> for her
> > travel.
> > I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
> conventions to
> > have
> > her do
> > this work. No one else has done this as
> successfully as
> > Caryn
> > Ann.
> > Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her
for
> her
> > time.
> > For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to
take
> the
> > time
> > to
> > attend,
> > I will be sending our staff member Jess
Mears.
> The
> thing
> > with
> > Jess
> > is that we pay her for her hours to travel,
> attend,
> and
> > return
> > from
> > state conventions. She's unlikely to get as
high
> of
> a
> > ROI.
> > I received a complaint today that it is
> inappropriate
> > for
> > someone
> > running for a position on the LNC to have
travel
> > reimbursed.
> > I sympathize with the complaint, but do not
think
> it's a
> > violation
> > of our policies.
> > Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for
your
> > feedback. If
> > you
> > request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos
or any
> other
> > LNC
> > member
> > to state conventions for the purpose of
> recruiting
> > dues-paying
> > members, we can end the program.
> > A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing
to
> go
> to
> > state
> > convention at the expense of the LNC and
recruit
> > members--why
> > don't
> > you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann
proved
> her
> > willingness
> > and capability within her own region. No
other
> LNC
> > members
> > have
> > mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
> members
> from
> > their
> > states. Cary[2]n Ann and Jess Mears together
are
> not
> > able
> > to
> > attend
> > every state convention. If you are
interested in
> > helping,
> > and
> > willing to prove your ability first at a
state in
> your
> > region
> > or at
> > another state at your own expense, let me
know
> and
> we
> > might be
> > able
> > to try that. And then we can report the
results.
> > Below is a report from Robert Kraus with
some of
> the
> > fundraising
> > results from Caryn Ann.
> > I welcome your feedback.
> > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> > 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> > [3](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> [1][4][3][4][5]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > [2][5][4][5][6]facebook.com/libertarians
@LPNational
> > Join the Libertarian Party at:
> > [3][6][5][6][7]http://lp.org/membership
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject: Harlos Fundraising
> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47 -0500
> > From: Robert S. Kraus
> [4]<[7][6][7][8]robert.kraus at lp.org>
> > To: Wes Benedict
> [5]<[8][7][8][9]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> > I have [9]Harlos pegged as solicitor for a total
of
> $2,335.00
> > for 82
> > members 49 of which where new (these 82 folks
have
> also
> > contributed
> > a
> > net total excluding conv related gifts of
$6,261.74
> since
> > 2016
> > convention - bunch of them to Hist Preservation
of
> course so
> > she has
> > her
> > fans)
> > In addition she is likely 95% responsible for the
> $12,120
> > raised for
> > Historic Preservation
> > Finally she has given $2181 herself since the
2016
> convention
> > (non
> > convention related - however $1525 was for Hist
> Preservation)
> > --
> > Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
> > [6]Operations at LP.org
> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> > 1444 Duke Street
> > Alexandria, VA 22314
> > Ph: [10]202.333.0008 x 231
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[11][8][9][10]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 2.
[12][9][10][11]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 3. [13][10][11][12]http://lp.org/membership
> > 4. mailto:[14][11][12][13]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 5. mailto:[15][12][13][14]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 6. mailto:[16]Operations at LP.org
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[13][14][15]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 2.
> >
> >
>
>
[14][15][16]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together
+are
> +n&e
> > ntry=gmail&source=g
> > 3. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 4. mailto:[15][16][17]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 5. [16][17][18]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 6. [17][18][19]http://lp.org/membership
> > 7. mailto:[18][19][20]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 8. mailto:[19][20][21]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 9.
> >
> >
>
>
[20][21][22]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+fo
r+a+
> tota
> > l+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 10. tel:202.333.0008 x 231
> > 11. mailto:[21][22][23]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 12. [22][23][24]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 13. [23][24][25]http://lp.org/membership
> > 14. mailto:[24][25][26]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 15. mailto:[25][26][27]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 16. mailto:[26]Operations at LP.org
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[27][28]planning4liberty at gmail.com
> > 2. mailto:[28][29]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:[29][30]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 4. [30][31]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 5. [31][32]http://lp.org/membership
> > 6. mailto:[32][33]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 7. mailto:[33][34]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 8. mailto:[34][35]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 9. [35][36]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 10. [36][37]http://lp.org/membership
> > 11. mailto:[37][38]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 12. mailto:[38][39]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 13. mailto:[39][40]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 14.
> >
>
>
[40][41]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are
+n&e
> ntry=gmail&source=g
> > 15. mailto:[41][42]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 16. [42][43]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 17. [43][44]http://lp.org/membership
> > 18. mailto:[44][45]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 19. mailto:[45][46]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 20.
> >
>
>
[46][47]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+
tota
> l+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 21. mailto:[47][48]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 22. [48][49]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 23. [49][50]http://lp.org/membership
> > 24. mailto:[50][51]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 25. mailto:[51][52]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 26. mailto:[52]Operations at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[53]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[54]planning4liberty at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:[55]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[56]wes.benedict at lp.org
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> 7. mailto:[59]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 8. mailto:[60]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 9. mailto:[61]wes.benedict at lp.org
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> 11. [63]http://lp.org/membership
> 12. mailto:[64]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 13. mailto:[65]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 14. mailto:[66]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 15.
[67]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&e
> 16. mailto:[68]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 17. [69]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 18. [70]http://lp.org/membership
> 19. mailto:[71]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 20. mailto:[72]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 21.
[73]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+tota
> 22. mailto:[74]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 23. [75]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 24. [76]http://lp.org/membership
> 25. mailto:[77]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 26. mailto:[78]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 27. mailto:[79]planning4liberty at gmail.com
> 28. mailto:[80]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 29. mailto:[81]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 30. [82]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 31. [83]http://lp.org/membership
> 32. mailto:[84]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 33. mailto:[85]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 34. mailto:[86]wes.benedict at lp.org
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> 36. [88]http://lp.org/membership
> 37. mailto:[89]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 38. mailto:[90]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 39. mailto:[91]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 40.
>
[92]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&e
ntry=gmail&source=g
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> 43. [95]http://lp.org/membership
> 44. mailto:[96]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 45. mailto:[97]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 46.
>
[98]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+tota
l+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> 47. mailto:[99]wes.benedict at lp.org
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> 49. [101]http://lp.org/membership
> 50. mailto:[102]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 51. mailto:[103]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 52. mailto:[104]Operations at LP.org
References
1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
3. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
4. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
5. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
6. http://facebook.com/libertarians
7. http://lp.org/membership
8. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
9. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
10. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
11. http://facebook.com/libertarians
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17. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
18. http://facebook.com/libertarians
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22. https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+
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28. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
29. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
30. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
31. http://facebook.com/libertarians
32. http://lp.org/membership
33. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
34. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
35. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
36. http://facebook.com/libertarians
37. http://lp.org/membership
38. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
39. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
40. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
41. https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&e
42. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
43. http://facebook.com/libertarians
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45. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
46. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
47. https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+tota
48. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
49. http://facebook.com/libertarians
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51. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
52. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
53. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
54. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
55. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
56. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
57. http://facebook.com/libertarians
58. http://lp.org/membership
59. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
60. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
61. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
62. http://facebook.com/libertarians
63. http://lp.org/membership
64. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
65. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
66. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
67. https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&e
68. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
69. http://facebook.com/libertarians
70. http://lp.org/membership
71. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
72. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
73. https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+tota
74. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
75. http://facebook.com/libertarians
76. http://lp.org/membership
77. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
78. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
79. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
80. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
81. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
82. http://facebook.com/libertarians
83. http://lp.org/membership
84. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
85. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
86. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
87. http://facebook.com/libertarians
88. http://lp.org/membership
89. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
90. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
91. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
92. https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&entry=gmail&source=g
93. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
94. http://facebook.com/libertarians
95. http://lp.org/membership
96. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
97. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
98. https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+total+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
99. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
100. http://facebook.com/libertarians
101. http://lp.org/membership
102. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
103. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
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