[Lnc-business] A hypothetical question

[Alicia Mattson]

The question Ms. Harlos raises is not, actually, a hypothetical question.

She wants to ask you generalities and then apply your answers to a real
situation on the Platform Committee in which she (now as the committee
chair) is attempting to deprive someone of their voting rights, and deprive
an appointing body of its choice of representative.

She did not mention to you that RONR, p. 407 has been cited to her, noting
that a person can hold two positions so long as they only cast one vote on
a given question:

"It is a fundamental principle of parliamentary law that each person who is
a member of a deliberative assembly is entitled to one—and only one—vote on
a question. *This is true even if a person is elected or appointed to more
than one position, each of which would entitle the holder to a vote.* For
example, in a convention, a person selected as delegate by more than one
constituent body may cast only one vote. An individual member's right to
vote may not be transferred to another person (for example, by the use of
proxies)."

She is also aware that the LNC itself has had this situation in the past.
An officer resigned.  A regional rep was appointed to the officer
position.  For a while that person was both an officer and a region rep,
but each time he voted, he had to specify which hat he was wearing and only
vote once.

That's how the LNC did handle it in the past.

-Alicia



On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

>    Hypothetical question:
>
>    Do our Bylaws allow or even contemplate that one person could be a
>    regional rep for one state and an alternate for another?  And what are
>    they?  Both?  The “superior” position?
>
>    If so, how would that work in an email vote?
>
>    There are multiple practical issues.
>
>    Yes I am asking because a similar issue has come up on platcomm and
>    will be the subject of a future meeting and many minds and opinions can
>    lead to insights.  How the LNC would hypothetically handle would be a
>    helpful piece of information.  The parallels are not exact but would
>    give insight.
>
>    Also - if assuming the answer to paragraph one is yes - theoretically
>    could an at-large or regional also be an officer?  Is that something
>    our Bylaws intended to allow?
>
>    Any and all insight appreciated.
>
>    I would be more than happy to detail what issues of fundamental
>    inequity present themselves when dealing with email voting in my first
>    hypothetical.
>
>    --
>
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>    - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>    Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    2. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
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   The question Ms. Harlos raises is not, actually, a hypothetical
   question.
   She wants to ask you generalities and then apply your answers to a real
   situation on the Platform Committee in which she (now as the committee
   chair) is attempting to deprive someone of their voting rights, and
   deprive an appointing body of its choice of representative.
   She did not mention to you that RONR, p. 407 has been cited to her,
   noting that a person can hold two positions so long as they only cast
   one vote on a given question:
   "It is a fundamental principle of parliamentary law that each person
   who is a member of a deliberative assembly is entitled to one—and only
   one—vote on a question. This is true even if a person is elected or
   appointed to more than one position, each of which would entitle the
   holder to a vote. For example, in a convention, a person selected as
   delegate by more than one constituent body may cast only one vote. An
   individual member's right to vote may not be transferred to another
   person (for example, by the use of proxies)."
   She is also aware that the LNC itself has had this situation in the
   past.  An officer resigned.  A regional rep was appointed to the
   officer position.  For a while that person was both an officer and a
   region rep, but each time he voted, he had to specify which hat he was
   wearing and only vote once.
   That's how the LNC did handle it in the past.
   -Alicia

   On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
   <[1]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:

        Hypothetical question:
        Do our Bylaws allow or even contemplate that one person could be
     a
        regional rep for one state and an alternate for another?  And
     what are
        they?  Both?  The “superior” position?
        If so, how would that work in an email vote?
        There are multiple practical issues.
        Yes I am asking because a similar issue has come up on platcomm
     and
        will be the subject of a future meeting and many minds and
     opinions can
        lead to insights.  How the LNC would hypothetically handle would
     be a
        helpful piece of information.  The parallels are not exact but
     would
        give insight.
        Also - if assuming the answer to paragraph one is yes -
     theoretically
        could an at-large or regional also be an officer?  Is that
     something
        our Bylaws intended to allow?
        Any and all insight appreciated.
        I would be more than happy to detail what issues of fundamental
        inequity present themselves when dealing with email voting in my
     first
        hypothetical.
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
        Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
     Washington)
        - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
        Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
     References
        1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        2. [3]http://www.lpcolorado.org/

References

   1. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
   2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   3. http://www.lpcolorado.org/