[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 08:56:54 EST 2018
There is no service. Conversely in fact.
(and btw though not applicable it is an either/or in that statement)
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:
> Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer position. From the LNC
> Policy Manual page 46:
>
> ------
> "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
>
> Party resources shall not be used to provide information or services for
> any candidate for party
> office unless:
>
> • such information or services are available and announced on an equal
> basis to all
> Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that office, or
>
> • such information or services are generally available and announced to
> all party
> members."
> -----
>
> The above language isn't "either/or", which would indicate only one
> condition applies. Both conditions apply.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I don’t see a line
> > forming after the last offer by Wes.
> > And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to point it
> > out.
> > I don’t appreciate its existence.
> > I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed permission to wear
> > my
> > Party issued name badge. Then I stopped and realized that the
> > internal
> > senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is
> > indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could go either
> > way.
> > I will be. Lodge objections now.
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> > <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for
> > membership.
> > I
> > have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership pitch" or
> > standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using terms like,
> > "insanely
> > territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to you the same
> > things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a national
> > LP
> > officer position. We currently have three people running for
> > chair,
> > and
> > six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I know of who
> > are
> > running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at this rate, more
> > people
> > may jump into the fray. Are all these people going to be given
> > the
> > same
> > materials? Some are making trips to a lot of state conventions.
> > Are those people going to be given the exact same supplies as you?
> > If
> > the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get those to
> > give
> > to people while they campaign? What if they're signing-up
> > national
> > members? As it's easier to influence people when they're being
> > given
> > something.
> > You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as much when they get
> > something in their hands on the spot." That goes for campaigning
> > too.
> > I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to LPHQ when
> > signing
> > up members. I've never heard of anyone doing that. People I know
> > just
> > sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not keeping track or
> > recording
> > the numbers, as it's not a competition.
> > Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with
> > blitz-sign-ups
> > at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that they're
> > leaving
> > the LP. Some even shared with me information on new political
> > party
> > they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who all just left
> > the LP
> > this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I mention this
> > issue,
> > I get the usual reaction from the usual people. So, I expect no
> > different this time.
> > If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC meeting, then I
> > look
> > forward to the discussion.
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> > [2]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
> > > All of us should be doing this and that opportunity is
> > equally
> > > available to all.
> > > To say that successful recruiters who happen to be running
> > cannot
> > > use
> > > the standard membership pitch to me is where we get insanely
> > > territorial and self-destructive.
> > > People sign up twice as much when they get something in their
> > hands
> > > on
> > > the spot.
> > > I will get 100 more members. If I have to be hobbled by not
> > even
> > > having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t interested in
> > signing
> > > up
> > > members because we are too concerned over our internicence
> > > calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m not setting
> > myself
> > up
> > > for
> > > failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick ass. If
> > I’m
> > > not
> > > equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy
> > elsewhere
> > and
> > > will
> > > deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will not get the 20
> > at the
> > > CO
> > > convention which is my goal.
> > > I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
> > > If not please consider this my request for agenda time in
> > April
> > to
> > > settle this.
> > > -Caryn Ann
> > > -Caryn Ann
> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > <[1][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do membership
> > recruiting.
> > > My concern would be if you're personal campaigning and also
> > using
> > > membership supplies that are gifts/freebie things to give
> > to
> > > prospective
> > > recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past
> > communication
> > on
> > > this
> > > subject.) I'm not sure what membership supplies you'd
> > need,
> > as
> > > signing
> > > up members can just be done with a laptop on the spot. No
> > need for
> > > supplies. So, if you're not giving people gifts or freebie
> > stuff,
> > > while
> > > signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
> > > ---
> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> > > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> > > [2][4]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > > On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > > > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly every
> > weekend,
> > > some of
> > > > them I am an invited guest speaker and other are
> > campaign
> > > trips.
> > > > Is there any objection to my continuing my membership
> > > recruitment
> > > > during these trips (no cost to the Party other than
> > the
> > > membership
> > > > supplies).
> > > > --
> > > > --
> > > > In Liberty,
> > > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
> > Committee
> > > (Alaska,
> > > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> > Wyoming,
> > > > Washington)
> > > > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > > > Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of
> > Colorado
> > > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > > > We defend your rights
> > > > And oppose the use of force
> > > > Taxation is theft
> > > >
> > > > References
> > > >
> > > > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > > > 2. [4][5]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > --
> > > In Liberty,
> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > (Alaska,
> > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > > Washington)
> > > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > > We defend your rights
> > > And oppose the use of force
> > > Taxation is theft
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[6]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > > 2. [7]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > > 4. [9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > > 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > > 6. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> > - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 2. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 4. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 5. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 6. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 7. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
-------------- next part --------------
There is no service. Conversely in fact.
(and btw though not applicable it is an either/or in that statement)
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer position. From the
LNC
Policy Manual page 46:
------
"6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
Party resources shall not be used to provide information or services
for
any candidate for party
office unless:
• such information or services are available and announced on an
equal
basis to all
Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that office, or
• such information or services are generally available and announced
to
all party
members."
-----
The above language isn't "either/or", which would indicate only one
condition applies. Both conditions apply.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I don’t see a
line
> forming after the last offer by Wes.
> And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to point
it
> out.
> I don’t appreciate its existence.
> I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed permission to
wear
> my
> Party issued name badge. Then I stopped and realized that the
> internal
> senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is
> indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could go
either
> way.
> I will be. Lodge objections now.
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for
> membership.
> I
> have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership pitch"
or
> standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using terms
like,
> "insanely
> territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to you the
same
> things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a
national
> LP
> officer position. We currently have three people running for
> chair,
> and
> six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I know of
who
> are
> running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at this rate,
more
> people
> may jump into the fray. Are all these people going to be
given
> the
> same
> materials? Some are making trips to a lot of state
conventions.
> Are those people going to be given the exact same supplies as
you?
> If
> the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get
those to
> give
> to people while they campaign? What if they're signing-up
> national
> members? As it's easier to influence people when they're
being
> given
> something.
> You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as much when they
get
> something in their hands on the spot." That goes for
campaigning
> too.
> I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to LPHQ
when
> signing
> up members. I've never heard of anyone doing that. People I
know
> just
> sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not keeping track or
> recording
> the numbers, as it's not a competition.
> Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with
> blitz-sign-ups
> at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that they're
> leaving
> the LP. Some even shared with me information on new
political
> party
> they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who all just
left
> the LP
> this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I mention
this
> issue,
> I get the usual reaction from the usual people. So, I expect
no
> different this time.
> If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC meeting,
then I
> look
> forward to the discussion.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> [2][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
> > All of us should be doing this and that opportunity is
> equally
> > available to all.
> > To say that successful recruiters who happen to be
running
> cannot
> > use
> > the standard membership pitch to me is where we get
insanely
> > territorial and self-destructive.
> > People sign up twice as much when they get something in
their
> hands
> > on
> > the spot.
> > I will get 100 more members. If I have to be hobbled by
not
> even
> > having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t
interested in
> signing
> > up
> > members because we are too concerned over our
internicence
> > calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m not setting
> myself
> up
> > for
> > failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick
ass. If
> I’m
> > not
> > equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy
> elsewhere
> and
> > will
> > deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will not get
the 20
> at the
> > CO
> > convention which is my goal.
> > I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
> > If not please consider this my request for agenda time
in
> April
> to
> > settle this.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> > <[1][3][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do membership
> recruiting.
> > My concern would be if you're personal campaigning and
also
> using
> > membership supplies that are gifts/freebie things to
give
> to
> > prospective
> > recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past
> communication
> on
> > this
> > subject.) I'm not sure what membership supplies
you'd
> need,
> as
> > signing
> > up members can just be done with a laptop on the spot.
No
> need for
> > supplies. So, if you're not giving people gifts or
freebie
> stuff,
> > while
> > signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> > [2][4][5]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly
every
> weekend,
> > some of
> > > them I am an invited guest speaker and other are
> campaign
> > trips.
> > > Is there any objection to my continuing my
membership
> > recruitment
> > > during these trips (no cost to the Party other
than
> the
> > membership
> > > supplies).
> > > --
> > > --
> > > In Liberty,
> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
> Committee
> > (Alaska,
> > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming,
> > > Washington)
> > > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > > Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of
> Colorado
> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > > We defend your rights
> > > And oppose the use of force
> > > Taxation is theft
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > > 2. [4][5][6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of
Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[6][7]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 2. [7][8]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 4. [9][9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 6. [11][10]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[11]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 2. [12]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 3. mailto:[13]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 4. [14]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 5. [15]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 6. mailto:[16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 7. [17]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 8. mailto:[18]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 9. [19]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 10. mailto:[20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 11. [21]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 12. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 13. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [24]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [25]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
4. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
5. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
7. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
8. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
11. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
12. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
13. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
14. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
16. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
17. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
18. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
19. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
20. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
21. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
24. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
25. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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