[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 13:14:30 EST 2018


David, what is your political motivation for using words like, 
"demonizing"?!  I cited the LP policy manual.  Good grief.

Nothing else you wrote is relevant to the discussion of the issue.  
(But, I see you're doing self-promotion, which opportunistically, you do 
a lot.  ; )

Reading your missives are a hoot.



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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/

On 2018-03-09 08:49, david.demarest at lp.org wrote:
> What is your political motivation for demonizing voluntary recruitment
> of LP members, volunteers, and registrations by anyone, regardless of
> the context, their title, and whether they are local, state or
> national candidates? Caryn Ann's well-known recruiting efforts deserve
> our admiration. Opportunistic criticism of Caryn Ann's efforts will
> earn neither my admiration nor my political support.
> 
> Following my 'retirement' from First Data next Friday, March 16 at the
> tender age of 77, like Caryn Ann, I will be at conventions every
> weekend starting March 24 through Memorial Day, plus a speaking tour
> this fall, all at no expense to the party. In the spirit of
> transparency, I will be tabling at most of these events for the Roads
> to Freedom UnConvention/Foundation. This fall I will also be plugging
> my literary efforts as I launch my Libertarian advocacy writing
> career. Short of a restraining order, I will also use all these events
> as an opportunity to recruit LP members, volunteers, and registrations
> despite any attempts to cast aspersions on my efforts and transparent
> motivations.
> 
> Following in Caryn Ann's footsteps, I will gladly distribute whatever
> LP material that the LP deems appropriate at no cost to the party,
> even if those materials are procured at my personal expense. We all
> like to be appreciated for what we do. My overriding priority,
> however, has always been and will always be freedom, nothing more,
> nothing less. Promoting Libertarianism, the LP, and the voluntary
> sector strikes me as an appropriate and moral means to noble ends.
> Political opportunism does not.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
> Of Elizabeth Van Horn
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 6:56 AM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
> 
> Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer position.  From the
> LNC Policy Manual page 46:
> 
> ------
> "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
> 
> Party resources shall not be used to provide information or services
> for any candidate for party office unless:
> 
> • such information or services are available and announced on an equal
> basis to all Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that
> office, or
> 
> • such information or services are generally available and announced
> to all party members."
> -----
> 
> The above language isn't "either/or", which would indicate only one
> condition applies. Both conditions apply.
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> 
> 
> On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting.  I don’t see a line
>>    forming after the last offer by Wes.
>>    And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to point it
>> out.
>>    I don’t appreciate its existence.
>>    I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed permission to wear
>> my
>>    Party issued name badge.  Then I stopped and realized that the
>> internal
>>    senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is
>>    indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could go either
>> way.
>>    I will be.  Lodge objections now.
>>    On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>    <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>      Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for
>> membership.
>>      I
>>      have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership pitch" or
>>      standard supplies.  Nor, do I appreciate you using terms like,
>>      "insanely
>>      territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to you the 
>> same
>>      things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a national
>> LP
>>      officer position.  We currently have three people running for
>> chair,
>>      and
>>      six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I know of who
>> are
>>      running (maybe declared) for secretary.  Gosh, at this rate, more
>>      people
>>      may jump into the fray.  Are all these people going to be given
>> the
>>      same
>>      materials?  Some are making trips to a lot of state conventions.
>>      Are those people going to be given the exact same supplies as 
>> you?
>>      If
>>      the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get those 
>> to
>>      give
>>      to people while they campaign?  What if they're signing-up
>> national
>>      members?  As it's easier to influence people when they're being
>>      given
>>      something.
>>      You yourself wrote:   "People sign up twice as much when they get
>>      something in their hands on the spot."  That goes for campaigning
>>      too.
>>      I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to LPHQ when
>>      signing
>>      up members.  I've never heard of anyone doing that.  People I 
>> know
>>      just
>>      sign-up someone, and that's that.  We're not keeping track or
>>      recording
>>      the numbers, as it's not a competition.
>>      Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with
>>      blitz-sign-ups
>>      at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that they're
>>      leaving
>>      the LP.  Some even shared with me information on new political
>> party
>>      they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who all just left
>>      the LP
>>      this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I mention this
>>      issue,
>>      I get the usual reaction from the usual people.  So, I expect no
>>      different this time.
>>      If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC meeting, then 
>> I
>>      look
>>      forward to the discussion.
>>      ---
>>      Elizabeth Van Horn
>>      LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>      Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>      Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>      Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>      [2]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>      On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>      > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
>>      >    All of us should be doing this and that opportunity is
>> equally
>>      >    available to all.
>>      >    To say that successful recruiters who happen to be running
>>      cannot
>>      > use
>>      >    the standard membership pitch to me is where we get insanely
>>      >    territorial and self-destructive.
>>      >    People sign up twice as much when they get something in 
>> their
>>      hands
>>      > on
>>      >    the spot.
>>      >    I will get 100 more members.  If I have to be hobbled by not
>>      even
>>      >    having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t interested in
>>      signing
>>      > up
>>      >    members because we are too concerned over our internicence
>>      >    calculations.  And if that’s the case - I’m not setting
>> myself
>>      up
>>      > for
>>      >    failure.  If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick ass.  
>> If
>>      I’m
>>      > not
>>      >    equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy
>> elsewhere
>>      and
>>      > will
>>      >    deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will not get the 
>> 20
>>      at the
>>      > CO
>>      >    convention which is my goal.
>>      >    I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
>>      >    If not please consider this my request for agenda time in
>> April
>>      to
>>      >    settle this.
>>      >    -Caryn Ann
>>      >    -Caryn Ann
>>      >    On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>      >    <[1][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>      >
>>      >      Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do membership
>>      recruiting.
>>      >      My concern would be if you're personal campaigning and 
>> also
>>      using
>>      >      membership supplies that are gifts/freebie things to give
>> to
>>      >      prospective
>>      >      recruits.  (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past
>> communication
>>      on
>>      >      this
>>      >      subject.)   I'm not sure what membership supplies you'd
>> need,
>>      as
>>      >      signing
>>      >      up members can just be done with a laptop on the spot. No
>>      need for
>>      >      supplies.  So, if you're not giving people gifts or 
>> freebie
>>      stuff,
>>      >      while
>>      >      signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
>>      >      ---
>>      >      Elizabeth Van Horn
>>      >      LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>      >      Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>      >      Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>      >      Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>      >      [2][4]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>      >      On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>      >      > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly every
>>      weekend,
>>      >      some of
>>      >      >    them I am an invited guest speaker and other are
>>      campaign
>>      >      trips.
>>      >      >    Is there any objection to my continuing my membership
>>      >      recruitment
>>      >      >    during these trips (no cost to the Party other than
>> the
>>      >      membership
>>      >      >    supplies).
>>      >      >    --
>>      >      >    --
>>      >      >    In Liberty,
>>      >      >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>      >      >    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>> Committee
>>      >      (Alaska,
>>      >      >    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>      Wyoming,
>>      >      > Washington)
>>      >      >    - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>      >      >    Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of
>>      Colorado
>>      >      >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>      >      >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>      >      >    We defend your rights
>>      >      >    And oppose the use of force
>>      >      >    Taxation is theft
>>      >      >
>>      >      > References
>>      >      >
>>      >      >    1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>      >      >    2. [4][5]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>      >
>>      >    --
>>      >
>>      >    --
>>      >    In Liberty,
>>      >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>      >    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>      (Alaska,
>>      >    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>      > Washington)
>>      >    - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>      >    Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>      >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>      >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>      >    We defend your rights
>>      >    And oppose the use of force
>>      >    Taxation is theft
>>      >
>>      > References
>>      >
>>      >    1. mailto:[6]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>      >    2. [7]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>      >    3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>      >    4. [9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>      >    5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>      >    6. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 
>>    --
>> 
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>    - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>    Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>    1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>    2. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>    3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>    4. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>    5. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>    6. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>    7. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>    8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>    9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>   10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>   12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/



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