[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 13:14:30 EST 2018
David, what is your political motivation for using words like,
"demonizing"?! I cited the LP policy manual. Good grief.
Nothing else you wrote is relevant to the discussion of the issue.
(But, I see you're doing self-promotion, which opportunistically, you do
a lot. ; )
Reading your missives are a hoot.
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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-03-09 08:49, david.demarest at lp.org wrote:
> What is your political motivation for demonizing voluntary recruitment
> of LP members, volunteers, and registrations by anyone, regardless of
> the context, their title, and whether they are local, state or
> national candidates? Caryn Ann's well-known recruiting efforts deserve
> our admiration. Opportunistic criticism of Caryn Ann's efforts will
> earn neither my admiration nor my political support.
>
> Following my 'retirement' from First Data next Friday, March 16 at the
> tender age of 77, like Caryn Ann, I will be at conventions every
> weekend starting March 24 through Memorial Day, plus a speaking tour
> this fall, all at no expense to the party. In the spirit of
> transparency, I will be tabling at most of these events for the Roads
> to Freedom UnConvention/Foundation. This fall I will also be plugging
> my literary efforts as I launch my Libertarian advocacy writing
> career. Short of a restraining order, I will also use all these events
> as an opportunity to recruit LP members, volunteers, and registrations
> despite any attempts to cast aspersions on my efforts and transparent
> motivations.
>
> Following in Caryn Ann's footsteps, I will gladly distribute whatever
> LP material that the LP deems appropriate at no cost to the party,
> even if those materials are procured at my personal expense. We all
> like to be appreciated for what we do. My overriding priority,
> however, has always been and will always be freedom, nothing more,
> nothing less. Promoting Libertarianism, the LP, and the voluntary
> sector strikes me as an appropriate and moral means to noble ends.
> Political opportunism does not.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
> Of Elizabeth Van Horn
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 6:56 AM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
>
> Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer position. From the
> LNC Policy Manual page 46:
>
> ------
> "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
>
> Party resources shall not be used to provide information or services
> for any candidate for party office unless:
>
> • such information or services are available and announced on an equal
> basis to all Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that
> office, or
>
> • such information or services are generally available and announced
> to all party members."
> -----
>
> The above language isn't "either/or", which would indicate only one
> condition applies. Both conditions apply.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I don’t see a line
>> forming after the last offer by Wes.
>> And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to point it
>> out.
>> I don’t appreciate its existence.
>> I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed permission to wear
>> my
>> Party issued name badge. Then I stopped and realized that the
>> internal
>> senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is
>> indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could go either
>> way.
>> I will be. Lodge objections now.
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for
>> membership.
>> I
>> have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership pitch" or
>> standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using terms like,
>> "insanely
>> territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to you the
>> same
>> things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a national
>> LP
>> officer position. We currently have three people running for
>> chair,
>> and
>> six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I know of who
>> are
>> running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at this rate, more
>> people
>> may jump into the fray. Are all these people going to be given
>> the
>> same
>> materials? Some are making trips to a lot of state conventions.
>> Are those people going to be given the exact same supplies as
>> you?
>> If
>> the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get those
>> to
>> give
>> to people while they campaign? What if they're signing-up
>> national
>> members? As it's easier to influence people when they're being
>> given
>> something.
>> You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as much when they get
>> something in their hands on the spot." That goes for campaigning
>> too.
>> I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to LPHQ when
>> signing
>> up members. I've never heard of anyone doing that. People I
>> know
>> just
>> sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not keeping track or
>> recording
>> the numbers, as it's not a competition.
>> Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with
>> blitz-sign-ups
>> at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that they're
>> leaving
>> the LP. Some even shared with me information on new political
>> party
>> they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who all just left
>> the LP
>> this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I mention this
>> issue,
>> I get the usual reaction from the usual people. So, I expect no
>> different this time.
>> If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC meeting, then
>> I
>> look
>> forward to the discussion.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> [2]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
>> > All of us should be doing this and that opportunity is
>> equally
>> > available to all.
>> > To say that successful recruiters who happen to be running
>> cannot
>> > use
>> > the standard membership pitch to me is where we get insanely
>> > territorial and self-destructive.
>> > People sign up twice as much when they get something in
>> their
>> hands
>> > on
>> > the spot.
>> > I will get 100 more members. If I have to be hobbled by not
>> even
>> > having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t interested in
>> signing
>> > up
>> > members because we are too concerned over our internicence
>> > calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m not setting
>> myself
>> up
>> > for
>> > failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick ass.
>> If
>> I’m
>> > not
>> > equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy
>> elsewhere
>> and
>> > will
>> > deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will not get the
>> 20
>> at the
>> > CO
>> > convention which is my goal.
>> > I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
>> > If not please consider this my request for agenda time in
>> April
>> to
>> > settle this.
>> > -Caryn Ann
>> > -Caryn Ann
>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > <[1][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do membership
>> recruiting.
>> > My concern would be if you're personal campaigning and
>> also
>> using
>> > membership supplies that are gifts/freebie things to give
>> to
>> > prospective
>> > recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past
>> communication
>> on
>> > this
>> > subject.) I'm not sure what membership supplies you'd
>> need,
>> as
>> > signing
>> > up members can just be done with a laptop on the spot. No
>> need for
>> > supplies. So, if you're not giving people gifts or
>> freebie
>> stuff,
>> > while
>> > signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
>> > ---
>> > Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> > [2][4]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly every
>> weekend,
>> > some of
>> > > them I am an invited guest speaker and other are
>> campaign
>> > trips.
>> > > Is there any objection to my continuing my membership
>> > recruitment
>> > > during these trips (no cost to the Party other than
>> the
>> > membership
>> > > supplies).
>> > > --
>> > > --
>> > > In Liberty,
>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>> Committee
>> > (Alaska,
>> > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>> Wyoming,
>> > > Washington)
>> > > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> > > Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of
>> Colorado
>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > > We defend your rights
>> > > And oppose the use of force
>> > > Taxation is theft
>> > >
>> > > References
>> > >
>> > > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > > 2. [4][5]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (Alaska,
>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> > Washington)
>> > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. mailto:[6]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> > 2. [7]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > 4. [9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> > 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > 6. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 2. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 4. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 5. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 6. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 7. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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