[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Mar 10 18:22:23 EST 2018
I’ve always mailed within 5.
I really like this system here Wes.
Would you like me to test it for the CO convention?
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:56 PM Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
> Good catch. 2018-03-10 V1.1 attached. Includes Tim's update.
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 3/10/2018 5:51 PM, Tim Hagan wrote:
> > The completed forms plus funds need to be mailed no later than ten
> > days, not 14 days, after receiving them.
> >
> > According to federal regulations (11 CFR 102.8(b)(2)): "Every person
> > who receives a contribution in excess of $50 for a political committee
> > which is not an authorized committee shall, no later than 10 days
> > after receipt of the contribution, forward to the treasurer of the
> > political committee: The contribution; the name and address of the
> > contributor; and the date of receipt of the contribution. If the
> > amount of the contribution is in excess of $200, such person shall
> > forward the contribution, the identification of the contributor in
> > accordance with 11 CFR 100.12, and the date of receipt of the
> > contribution. Date of receipt shall be the date such person obtains
> > possession of the contribution. "
> >
> > ---
> > Tim Hagan
> > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >
> > On 2018-03-10 12:42, Wes Benedict wrote:
> >> In a separate note, Steve Scheetz kindly offered to participate in
> >> this program. I'm replying to this particular note instead of his, in
> >> order to keep some of my historical notes on this topic easier to
> >> find.
> >>
> >> Attached is a draft of the plan in a bit more formal format for
> >> feedback. Steve and others, take a look and let me know what you
> >> think.
> >>
> >> I'll see what feedback you all have, think it over a bit, and then
> >> later decide next steps if any.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> >> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> >> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> >> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
> >> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> >> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
> >>
> >> On 3/9/2018 9:42 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
> >>> The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and other things as
> >>> membership promotions for a long time.
> >>>
> >>> For example:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.lp.org/join11/
> >>> https://www.lp.org/join10/
> >>> https://www.lp.org/join9/
> >>>
> >>> If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out recruiting members at
> >>> state conventions without offering anything in return. As she did
> >>> that work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various places
> >>> online would start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I joined."
> >>>
> >>> Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes we'll give you
> >>> a shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a shirt (polos
> >>> excluded because they are higher cost").
> >>>
> >>> As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members and members
> >>> asking for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide a small
> >>> supply of shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting memberships.
> >>>
> >>> If any other LNC members want to help recruit memberships, let me
> >>> know, and I'll send you a small supply of these two shirts:
> >>> https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
> >>> https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
> >>>
> >>> These shirts are to be used for membership recruitment purposes. Any
> >>> you don't use should be returned to me in the future.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> >>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> >>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> >>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
> >>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> >>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
> >>>
> >>> On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>> There is no service. Conversely in fact.
> >>>>
> >>>> (and btw though not applicable it is an either/or in that
> >>>> statement)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer position.
> >>>> From the
> >>>> LNC
> >>>> Policy Manual page 46:
> >>>> ------
> >>>> "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
> >>>> Party resources shall not be used to provide information or
> >>>> services
> >>>> for
> >>>> any candidate for party
> >>>> office unless:
> >>>> • such information or services are available and announced on an
> >>>> equal
> >>>> basis to all
> >>>> Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that office, or
> >>>> • such information or services are generally available and
> >>>> announced
> >>>> to
> >>>> all party
> >>>> members."
> >>>> -----
> >>>> The above language isn't "either/or", which would indicate
> >>>> only one
> >>>> condition applies. Both conditions apply.
> >>>> ---
> >>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>> On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>> > I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I don’t
> >>>> see a
> >>>> line
> >>>> > forming after the last offer by Wes.
> >>>> > And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to
> >>>> point
> >>>> it
> >>>> > out.
> >>>> > I don’t appreciate its existence.
> >>>> > I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed
> >>>> permission to
> >>>> wear
> >>>> > my
> >>>> > Party issued name badge. Then I stopped and realized
> >>>> that the
> >>>> > internal
> >>>> > senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is
> >>>> > indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could go
> >>>> either
> >>>> > way.
> >>>> > I will be. Lodge objections now.
> >>>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>> > <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for
> >>>> > membership.
> >>>> > I
> >>>> > have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership
> >>>> pitch"
> >>>> or
> >>>> > standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using terms
> >>>> like,
> >>>> > "insanely
> >>>> > territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to
> >>>> you the
> >>>> same
> >>>> > things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a
> >>>> national
> >>>> > LP
> >>>> > officer position. We currently have three people
> >>>> running for
> >>>> > chair,
> >>>> > and
> >>>> > six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I
> >>>> know of
> >>>> who
> >>>> > are
> >>>> > running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at this
> >>>> rate,
> >>>> more
> >>>> > people
> >>>> > may jump into the fray. Are all these people going to be
> >>>> given
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > same
> >>>> > materials? Some are making trips to a lot of state
> >>>> conventions.
> >>>> > Are those people going to be given the exact same
> >>>> supplies as
> >>>> you?
> >>>> > If
> >>>> > the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get
> >>>> those to
> >>>> > give
> >>>> > to people while they campaign? What if they're
> >>>> signing-up
> >>>> > national
> >>>> > members? As it's easier to influence people when they're
> >>>> being
> >>>> > given
> >>>> > something.
> >>>> > You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as much
> >>>> when they
> >>>> get
> >>>> > something in their hands on the spot." That goes for
> >>>> campaigning
> >>>> > too.
> >>>> > I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to
> >>>> LPHQ
> >>>> when
> >>>> > signing
> >>>> > up members. I've never heard of anyone doing that.
> >>>> People I
> >>>> know
> >>>> > just
> >>>> > sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not keeping
> >>>> track or
> >>>> > recording
> >>>> > the numbers, as it's not a competition.
> >>>> > Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with
> >>>> > blitz-sign-ups
> >>>> > at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that
> >>>> they're
> >>>> > leaving
> >>>> > the LP. Some even shared with me information on new
> >>>> political
> >>>> > party
> >>>> > they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who
> >>>> all just
> >>>> left
> >>>> > the LP
> >>>> > this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I
> >>>> mention
> >>>> this
> >>>> > issue,
> >>>> > I get the usual reaction from the usual people. So, I
> >>>> expect
> >>>> no
> >>>> > different this time.
> >>>> > If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC
> >>>> meeting,
> >>>> then I
> >>>> > look
> >>>> > forward to the discussion.
> >>>> > ---
> >>>> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >>>> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> >>>> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> >>>> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> >>>> > [2][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> > On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>> > > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
> >>>> > > All of us should be doing this and that
> >>>> opportunity is
> >>>> > equally
> >>>> > > available to all.
> >>>> > > To say that successful recruiters who happen to be
> >>>> running
> >>>> > cannot
> >>>> > > use
> >>>> > > the standard membership pitch to me is where we get
> >>>> insanely
> >>>> > > territorial and self-destructive.
> >>>> > > People sign up twice as much when they get
> >>>> something in
> >>>> their
> >>>> > hands
> >>>> > > on
> >>>> > > the spot.
> >>>> > > I will get 100 more members. If I have to be
> >>>> hobbled by
> >>>> not
> >>>> > even
> >>>> > > having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t
> >>>> interested in
> >>>> > signing
> >>>> > > up
> >>>> > > members because we are too concerned over our
> >>>> internicence
> >>>> > > calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m not
> >>>> setting
> >>>> > myself
> >>>> > up
> >>>> > > for
> >>>> > > failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick
> >>>> ass. If
> >>>> > I’m
> >>>> > > not
> >>>> > > equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy
> >>>> > elsewhere
> >>>> > and
> >>>> > > will
> >>>> > > deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will
> >>>> not get
> >>>> the 20
> >>>> > at the
> >>>> > > CO
> >>>> > > convention which is my goal.
> >>>> > > I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
> >>>> > > If not please consider this my request for agenda
> >>>> time
> >>>> in
> >>>> > April
> >>>> > to
> >>>> > > settle this.
> >>>> > > -Caryn Ann
> >>>> > > -Caryn Ann
> >>>> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>> > > <[1][3][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do
> >>>> membership
> >>>> > recruiting.
> >>>> > > My concern would be if you're personal
> >>>> campaigning and
> >>>> also
> >>>> > using
> >>>> > > membership supplies that are gifts/freebie
> >>>> things to
> >>>> give
> >>>> > to
> >>>> > > prospective
> >>>> > > recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past
> >>>> > communication
> >>>> > on
> >>>> > > this
> >>>> > > subject.) I'm not sure what membership supplies
> >>>> you'd
> >>>> > need,
> >>>> > as
> >>>> > > signing
> >>>> > > up members can just be done with a laptop on
> >>>> the spot.
> >>>> No
> >>>> > need for
> >>>> > > supplies. So, if you're not giving people
> >>>> gifts or
> >>>> freebie
> >>>> > stuff,
> >>>> > > while
> >>>> > > signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
> >>>> > > ---
> >>>> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >>>> > > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> >>>> > > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> >>>> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> >>>> > > [2][4][5]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> > > On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>> > > > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly
> >>>> every
> >>>> > weekend,
> >>>> > > some of
> >>>> > > > them I am an invited guest speaker and
> >>>> other are
> >>>> > campaign
> >>>> > > trips.
> >>>> > > > Is there any objection to my continuing my
> >>>> membership
> >>>> > > recruitment
> >>>> > > > during these trips (no cost to the Party
> >>>> other
> >>>> than
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > > membership
> >>>> > > > supplies).
> >>>> > > > --
> >>>> > > > --
> >>>> > > > In Liberty,
> >>>> > > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> > > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
> >>>> > Committee
> >>>> > > (Alaska,
> >>>> > > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
> >>>> Montana, Utah,
> >>>> > Wyoming,
> >>>> > > > Washington)
> >>>> > > > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > > > Communications Director, [2]Libertarian
> >>>> Party of
> >>>> > Colorado
> >>>> > > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>>> > > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>> > > > We defend your rights
> >>>> > > > And oppose the use of force
> >>>> > > > Taxation is theft
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > References
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > > > 2. [4][5][6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > --
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > --
> >>>> > > In Liberty,
> >>>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
> >>>> Committee
> >>>> > (Alaska,
> >>>> > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> >>>> Wyoming,
> >>>> > > Washington)
> >>>> > > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of
> >>>> Colorado
> >>>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>>> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>> > > We defend your rights
> >>>> > > And oppose the use of force
> >>>> > > Taxation is theft
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > References
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > 1. mailto:[6][7]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> > > 2. [7][8]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> > > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > > 4. [9][9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> > > 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > > 6. [11][10]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > In Liberty,
> >>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>> (Alaska,
> >>>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> >>>> > Washington)
> >>>> > - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>> > We defend your rights
> >>>> > And oppose the use of force
> >>>> > Taxation is theft
> >>>> >
> >>>> > References
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 1. mailto:[11]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> > 2. [12]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> > 3. mailto:[13]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> > 4. [14]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> > 5. [15]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> > 6. mailto:[16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> > 7. [17]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> > 8. mailto:[18]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > 9. [19]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> > 10. mailto:[20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > 11. [21]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> > 12. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> > 13. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> In Liberty,
> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> >>>> Washington)
> >>>> - [24]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> Communications Director, [25]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>> We defend your rights
> >>>> And oppose the use of force
> >>>> Taxation is theft
> >>>>
> >>>> References
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> 2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> 3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> 4. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> 5. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> 7. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> 8. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> 9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> 10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> 11. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> 12. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> 13. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> 14. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> 16. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >>>> 17. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>> 18. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> 19. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> 20. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> 21. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> 22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> 23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>> 24. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> 25. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >>>>
> >>>
>
> --
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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I’ve always mailed within 5.
I really like this system here Wes.
Would you like me to test it for the CO convention?
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:56 PM Wes Benedict <[1]wes.benedict at lp.org>
wrote:
Good catch. 2018-03-10 V1.1 attached. Includes Tim's update.
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [2]wes.benedict at lp.org
[3]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: [4]http://lp.org/membership
On 3/10/2018 5:51 PM, Tim Hagan wrote:
> The completed forms plus funds need to be mailed no later than ten
> days, not 14 days, after receiving them.
>
> According to federal regulations (11 CFR 102.8(b)(2)): "Every
person
> who receives a contribution in excess of $50 for a political
committee
> which is not an authorized committee shall, no later than 10 days
> after receipt of the contribution, forward to the treasurer of the
> political committee: The contribution; the name and address of the
> contributor; and the date of receipt of the contribution. If the
> amount of the contribution is in excess of $200, such person shall
> forward the contribution, the identification of the contributor in
> accordance with 11 CFR 100.12, and the date of receipt of the
> contribution. Date of receipt shall be the date such person
obtains
> possession of the contribution. "
>
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>
> On 2018-03-10 12:42, Wes Benedict wrote:
>> In a separate note, Steve Scheetz kindly offered to participate
in
>> this program. I'm replying to this particular note instead of
his, in
>> order to keep some of my historical notes on this topic easier to
>> find.
>>
>> Attached is a draft of the plan in a bit more formal format for
>> feedback. Steve and others, take a look and let me know what you
>> think.
>>
>> I'll see what feedback you all have, think it over a bit, and
then
>> later decide next steps if any.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [5]wes.benedict at lp.org
>> [6]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at: [7]http://lp.org/membership
>>
>> On 3/9/2018 9:42 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>> The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and other
things as
>>> membership promotions for a long time.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> [8]https://www.lp.org/join11/
>>> [9]https://www.lp.org/join10/
>>> [10]https://www.lp.org/join9/
>>>
>>> If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out recruiting members
at
>>> state conventions without offering anything in return. As she
did
>>> that work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various places
>>> online would start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I
joined."
>>>
>>> Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes we'll give
you
>>> a shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a shirt (polos
>>> excluded because they are higher cost").
>>>
>>> As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members and members
>>> asking for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide a
small
>>> supply of shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting memberships.
>>>
>>> If any other LNC members want to help recruit memberships, let
me
>>> know, and I'll send you a small supply of these two shirts:
>>> [11]https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
>>> [12]https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
>>>
>>> These shirts are to be used for membership recruitment purposes.
Any
>>> you don't use should be returned to me in the future.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [13]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> [14]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: [15]http://lp.org/membership
>>>
>>> On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>> There is no service. Conversely in fact.
>>>>
>>>> (and btw though not applicable it is an either/or in that
>>>> statement)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>> <[1][16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer
position.
>>>> From the
>>>> LNC
>>>> Policy Manual page 46:
>>>> ------
>>>> "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
>>>> Party resources shall not be used to provide information
or
>>>> services
>>>> for
>>>> any candidate for party
>>>> office unless:
>>>> • such information or services are available and
announced on an
>>>> equal
>>>> basis to all
>>>> Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that
office, or
>>>> • such information or services are generally available
and
>>>> announced
>>>> to
>>>> all party
>>>> members."
>>>> -----
>>>> The above language isn't "either/or", which would
indicate
>>>> only one
>>>> condition applies. Both conditions apply.
>>>> ---
>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>> On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>> > I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I
don’t
>>>> see a
>>>> line
>>>> > forming after the last offer by Wes.
>>>> > And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue
to
>>>> point
>>>> it
>>>> > out.
>>>> > I don’t appreciate its existence.
>>>> > I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed
>>>> permission to
>>>> wear
>>>> > my
>>>> > Party issued name badge. Then I stopped and
realized
>>>> that the
>>>> > internal
>>>> > senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and
it is
>>>> > indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it
could go
>>>> either
>>>> > way.
>>>> > I will be. Lodge objections now.
>>>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>> > <[1][2][17]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and
sign-up for
>>>> > membership.
>>>> > I
>>>> > have no idea what you mean by "the standard
membership
>>>> pitch"
>>>> or
>>>> > standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using
terms
>>>> like,
>>>> > "insanely
>>>> > territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying
to
>>>> you the
>>>> same
>>>> > things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign
for a
>>>> national
>>>> > LP
>>>> > officer position. We currently have three people
>>>> running for
>>>> > chair,
>>>> > and
>>>> > six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that
I
>>>> know of
>>>> who
>>>> > are
>>>> > running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at
this
>>>> rate,
>>>> more
>>>> > people
>>>> > may jump into the fray. Are all these people
going to be
>>>> given
>>>> > the
>>>> > same
>>>> > materials? Some are making trips to a lot of
state
>>>> conventions.
>>>> > Are those people going to be given the exact same
>>>> supplies as
>>>> you?
>>>> > If
>>>> > the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they
all get
>>>> those to
>>>> > give
>>>> > to people while they campaign? What if they're
>>>> signing-up
>>>> > national
>>>> > members? As it's easier to influence people when
they're
>>>> being
>>>> > given
>>>> > something.
>>>> > You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as
much
>>>> when they
>>>> get
>>>> > something in their hands on the spot." That goes
for
>>>> campaigning
>>>> > too.
>>>> > I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes
to
>>>> LPHQ
>>>> when
>>>> > signing
>>>> > up members. I've never heard of anyone doing
that.
>>>> People I
>>>> know
>>>> > just
>>>> > sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not
keeping
>>>> track or
>>>> > recording
>>>> > the numbers, as it's not a competition.
>>>> > Turning the tide on membership isn't going to
happen with
>>>> > blitz-sign-ups
>>>> > at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce
that
>>>> they're
>>>> > leaving
>>>> > the LP. Some even shared with me information on
new
>>>> political
>>>> > party
>>>> > they're attempting to start. (Former LP members
who
>>>> all just
>>>> left
>>>> > the LP
>>>> > this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When
I
>>>> mention
>>>> this
>>>> > issue,
>>>> > I get the usual reaction from the usual people.
So, I
>>>> expect
>>>> no
>>>> > different this time.
>>>> > If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC
>>>> meeting,
>>>> then I
>>>> > look
>>>> > forward to the discussion.
>>>> > ---
>>>> > Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>>> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>>> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>> > [2][3][18]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> > On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>> > > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
>>>> > > All of us should be doing this and that
>>>> opportunity is
>>>> > equally
>>>> > > available to all.
>>>> > > To say that successful recruiters who happen
to be
>>>> running
>>>> > cannot
>>>> > > use
>>>> > > the standard membership pitch to me is where
we get
>>>> insanely
>>>> > > territorial and self-destructive.
>>>> > > People sign up twice as much when they get
>>>> something in
>>>> their
>>>> > hands
>>>> > > on
>>>> > > the spot.
>>>> > > I will get 100 more members. If I have to be
>>>> hobbled by
>>>> not
>>>> > even
>>>> > > having the standard supplies, well - we
aren’t
>>>> interested in
>>>> > signing
>>>> > > up
>>>> > > members because we are too concerned over our
>>>> internicence
>>>> > > calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m
not
>>>> setting
>>>> > myself
>>>> > up
>>>> > > for
>>>> > > failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going
to kick
>>>> ass. If
>>>> > I’m
>>>> > > not
>>>> > > equipped for success then I’m going to put my
energy
>>>> > elsewhere
>>>> > and
>>>> > > will
>>>> > > deliver to Wes in April the remainder and
will
>>>> not get
>>>> the 20
>>>> > at the
>>>> > > CO
>>>> > > convention which is my goal.
>>>> > > I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
>>>> > > If not please consider this my request for
agenda
>>>> time
>>>> in
>>>> > April
>>>> > to
>>>> > > settle this.
>>>> > > -Caryn Ann
>>>> > > -Caryn Ann
>>>> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van
Horn
>>>> > > <[1][3][4][19]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do
>>>> membership
>>>> > recruiting.
>>>> > > My concern would be if you're personal
>>>> campaigning and
>>>> also
>>>> > using
>>>> > > membership supplies that are gifts/freebie
>>>> things to
>>>> give
>>>> > to
>>>> > > prospective
>>>> > > recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a
past
>>>> > communication
>>>> > on
>>>> > > this
>>>> > > subject.) I'm not sure what membership
supplies
>>>> you'd
>>>> > need,
>>>> > as
>>>> > > signing
>>>> > > up members can just be done with a laptop
on
>>>> the spot.
>>>> No
>>>> > need for
>>>> > > supplies. So, if you're not giving people
>>>> gifts or
>>>> freebie
>>>> > stuff,
>>>> > > while
>>>> > > signing-up/campaigning, then I see no
issue.
>>>> > > ---
>>>> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>> > > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co,
Indiana
>>>> > > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review
Committee
>>>> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>> > > [2][4][5][20]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> > > On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos
wrote:
>>>> > > > Beginning April I will be at a convention
nearly
>>>> every
>>>> > weekend,
>>>> > > some of
>>>> > > > them I am an invited guest speaker and
>>>> other are
>>>> > campaign
>>>> > > trips.
>>>> > > > Is there any objection to my
continuing my
>>>> membership
>>>> > > recruitment
>>>> > > > during these trips (no cost to the
Party
>>>> other
>>>> than
>>>> > the
>>>> > > membership
>>>> > > > supplies).
>>>> > > > --
>>>> > > > --
>>>> > > > In Liberty,
>>>> > > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
National
>>>> > Committee
>>>> > > (Alaska,
>>>> > > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>> Montana, Utah,
>>>> > Wyoming,
>>>> > > > Washington)
>>>> > > > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > > > Communications Director,
[2]Libertarian
>>>> Party of
>>>> > Colorado
>>>> > > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
Committee
>>>> > > > A haiku to the Statement of
Principles:
>>>> > > > We defend your rights
>>>> > > > And oppose the use of force
>>>> > > > Taxation is theft
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > References
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > > > 2.
[4][5][6][21]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > In Liberty,
>>>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>> Committee
>>>> > (Alaska,
>>>> > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
Utah,
>>>> Wyoming,
>>>> > > Washington)
>>>> > > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party
of
>>>> Colorado
>>>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> > > We defend your rights
>>>> > > And oppose the use of force
>>>> > > Taxation is theft
>>>> > >
>>>> > > References
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. mailto:[6][7][22]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> > > 2. [7][8][23]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> > > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > > 4. [9][9][24]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> > > 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > > 6. [11][10][25]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
Committee
>>>> (Alaska,
>>>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
>>>> > Washington)
>>>> > - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of
Colorado
>>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> > We defend your rights
>>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>>> > Taxation is theft
>>>> >
>>>> > References
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. mailto:[11][26]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> > 2. [12][27]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> > 3. mailto:[13][28]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> > 4. [14][29]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> > 5. [15][30]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> > 6. mailto:[16][31]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> > 7. [17][32]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> > 8. mailto:[18]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > 9. [19][33]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> > 10. mailto:[20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > 11. [21][34]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> > 12. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > 13. [23][35]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington)
>>>> - [24]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, [25]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. mailto:[36]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:[37]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> 3. [38]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> 4. mailto:[39]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> 5. [40]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> 6. [41]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 7. mailto:[42]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> 8. [43]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> 9. [44]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 10. [45]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 11. mailto:[46]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> 12. [47]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> 13. mailto:[48]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> 14. [49]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> 15. [50]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 16. mailto:[51]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> 17. [52]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>> 18. mailto:[53]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 19. [54]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 20. mailto:[55]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 21. [56]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 22. mailto:[57]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 23. [58]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 24. mailto:[59]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 25. [60]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>
>>>
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [61]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [62]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
2. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
3. http://facebook.com/libertarians
4. http://lp.org/membership
5. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
6. http://facebook.com/libertarians
7. http://lp.org/membership
8. https://www.lp.org/join11/
9. https://www.lp.org/join10/
10. https://www.lp.org/join9/
11. https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
12. https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
13. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
14. http://facebook.com/libertarians
15. http://lp.org/membership
16. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
17. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
18. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
19. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
20. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
21. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
22. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
23. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
24. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
25. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
26. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
27. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
28. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
29. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
30. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
31. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
32. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
33. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
35. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
36. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
37. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
38. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
39. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
40. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
41. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
42. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
43. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
44. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
45. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
46. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
47. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
48. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
49. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
50. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
51. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
52. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
53. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
54. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
55. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
56. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
57. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
58. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
59. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
60. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
61. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
62. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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