[Lnc-business] Facebook post on student walkouts
Nicholas Sarwark
chair at lp.org
Wed Mar 14 23:07:36 EDT 2018
"I agree. It's just as bad, in my opinion, when conservatives start
flinging around kids who disagree. Using kids to repeat your sound-bites
is just a form of hostage-taking, in that anyone who responds to them comes
off looking bad. We should just not touch the tar."
The point of my words was to give positive acknowledgment to the energy to
try for political change, while pointing out that the students are being
used as pawns, and invite them to get involved in a political party that
would actually value their contributions once the cameras were off. It
deliberately did not reference any particular policy, since there are
protests and counter-protests that are advocating for all sorts of
different policies, though the media narrative is for gun control, but that
just makes Joshua's original point.
We should be recruiting these young people. Our competition definitely is.
Recruitment doesn't usually start with a lecture about why they are wrong
about an issue
-Nick
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:57 PM Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I agree. It's just as bad, in my opinion, when conservatives start
> flinging around kids who disagree. Using kids to repeat your
> sound-bites is just a form of hostage-taking, in that anyone who
> responds to them comes off looking bad. We should just not touch the
> tar.
> Unfortunately, this whole mess is also helping the country to unlearn
> what civil disobedience is, and what bravery means. Civil disobedience
> is generally not government-funded, and doesn't involve getting
> permission from your school, or a promise from your university that
> your acceptance won't be in danger. MLK didn't write "Letter from a
> Hotel Room in Birmingham." He certainly didn't have a school district
> bus him there.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I personally think we should have stayed away from it. These
> kids are
> getting used by adults left and right.
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Steve Scheetz
> <[1][2]steve.scheetz at lp.org> wrote:
> I really liked the alternative version put forth by the
> Libertarian
> Party of Louisiana's Keith Thompson. It was clean and simple.
> If
> anyone wants to see it, I am fairly certain most of you are on
> the
> delegates page, or on the new Libertarian, I shared it in both
> places. If anyone does not have access to Facebook, message me
> off
> list I will send it via e-mail.
> Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:[2][3]lnc-business-
> bounces at hq.lp.org] On
> Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:51 PM
> To: Libertarian National Committee list
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Facebook post on student walkouts
> It is a terrible post. I have requested for it to be pulled.
> The
> intent was good. It didn't work out. Let's learn, pull it,
> and
> move on IMHO.
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Justin O'Donnell
> <[3][4]justin.odonnell at lp.org>
> wrote:
> > I tend to agree here.
> > When i first saw the post, I thought it was fantastic, but
> then
> again,
> > i am already in the echo chamber of opinions, and not
> reading
> it with
> > an outside perspective.
> > Justin O'Donnell
> > LNC Region 8 Representative
> >
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <[4][5]http://www.lpcolorado.org/> Chair, LP Historical
> Preservation
> Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[6]steve.scheetz at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[7]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[8]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 4. [9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 6. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
> 3. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 5. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 6. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
> 7. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> 8. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
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"I agree. It's just as bad, in my opinion, when conservatives start
flinging around kids who disagree. Using kids to repeat your
sound-bites is just a form of hostage-taking, in that anyone who
responds to them comes off looking bad. We should just not touch the
tar."
The point of my words was to give positive acknowledgment to the energy
to try for political change, while pointing out that the students are
being used as pawns, and invite them to get involved in a political
party that would actually value their contributions once the cameras
were off. It deliberately did not reference any particular policy,
since there are protests and counter-protests that are advocating for
all sorts of different policies, though the media narrative is for gun
control, but that just makes Joshua's original point.
We should be recruiting these young people. Our competition definitely
is. Recruitment doesn't usually start with a lecture about why they are
wrong about an issue
-Nick
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:57 PM Joshua Katz
<[1]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. It's just as bad, in my opinion, when conservatives
start
flinging around kids who disagree. Using kids to repeat your
sound-bites is just a form of hostage-taking, in that anyone who
responds to them comes off looking bad. We should just not touch
the
tar.
Unfortunately, this whole mess is also helping the country to
unlearn
what civil disobedience is, and what bravery means. Civil
disobedience
is generally not government-funded, and doesn't involve getting
permission from your school, or a promise from your university
that
your acceptance won't be in danger. MLK didn't write "Letter
from a
Hotel Room in Birmingham." He certainly didn't have a school
district
bus him there.
Joshua A. Katz
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1][2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I personally think we should have stayed away from it.
These
kids are
getting used by adults left and right.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Steve Scheetz
<[1][2][3]steve.scheetz at lp.org> wrote:
I really liked the alternative version put forth by the
Libertarian
Party of Louisiana's Keith Thompson. It was clean and
simple.
If
anyone wants to see it, I am fairly certain most of you
are on
the
delegates page, or on the new Libertarian, I shared it in
both
places. If anyone does not have access to Facebook,
message me
off
list I will send it via e-mail.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Lnc-business [mailto:[2][3]lnc-business-
[4]bounces at hq.lp.org] On
Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:51 PM
To: Libertarian National Committee list
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Facebook post on student
walkouts
It is a terrible post. I have requested for it to be
pulled.
The
intent was good. It didn't work out. Let's learn, pull
it,
and
move on IMHO.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Justin O'Donnell
<[3][4][5]justin.odonnell at lp.org>
wrote:
> I tend to agree here.
> When i first saw the post, I thought it was
fantastic, but
then
again,
> i am already in the echo chamber of opinions, and not
reading
it with
> an outside perspective.
> Justin O'Donnell
> LNC Region 8 Representative
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<[4][5][6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/> Chair, LP Historical
Preservation
Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[6][7]steve.scheetz at lp.org
2. mailto:[7][8]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:[8][9]justin.odonnell at lp.org
4. [9][10]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
6. [11][11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
References
1. mailto:[12]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:[13]steve.scheetz at lp.org
3. mailto:[14]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[15]justin.odonnell at lp.org
5. [16]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
6. mailto:[17]steve.scheetz at lp.org
7. mailto:[18]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
8. mailto:[19]justin.odonnell at lp.org
9. [20]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
10. mailto:[21]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
11. [22]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
References
1. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
4. mailto:bounces at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
7. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
8. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
12. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
13. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
14. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
15. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
17. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
18. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
19. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
20. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
21. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
22. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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