[Lnc-business] LNC members request for Mr. Vohra to resign
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sun Apr 1 22:49:32 EDT 2018
Repudiating the pledge is not political correctness. And YES the pledge
deals with WORDS. The whole demonization of perfectly reasonable
objections is the new "correctness" and I am beyond the point of thinking
it is admirable in any shape or form.
This latest episode is of a different character then the prior ones. I
disagreed with fellow LNC members on the prior issue but I understood where
they were coming from. I have zero respect or tolerance for turning a
blind eye to this one. Absolutely zero.
If this is what the Party will tolerate, the breezy (hey its a joke brah)
advocation OF KILLING PEOPLE, this is not my Party.
I am ashamed of any peer who defends this, and do not care if the feeling
is mutual.
On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 7:27 PM, <david.demarest at lp.org> wrote:
> Steven,
>
> Thank you for injecting some common sense into this discussion that, from
> my perspective, boils down attempts to read the minds of voters, the
> majority of whom could care less about this internal hubbub. For those who
> say this is not the case, I challenge them to put their money where your
> mouth is, do the due diligence, and provide the numbers. That is the
> Libertarian way.
>
> Some might disagree with Arvin's logic and many disagree with his words.
> Interesting, it is my observation that most of the responses I have read so
> far have been notably devoid of any semblance of logic and reflect
> emotional reactions that have done nothing to add to my pride in being a
> libertarian. Most of us know perfectly well what Arvin had in mind. Perhaps
> Arvin has more courage than I do, but I would not have chosen those words.
> Nevertheless, short of a violation of standard definitions of malfeasance
> of office, Arvin's 'joke' does not violate the NAP anymore than
> anti-statist jokes that some of us make offline albeit probably not on
> Facebook. That being the case, I question the wisdom of circumventing the
> authority of national delegates before the rapidly approaching national
> convention. Leave that kind of top-down concentration of power moves that
> usurps national delegate responsibilities to the other two major parties.
>
> For heaven's sakes, let's put our political-correctness bromides on the
> shelf instead of blowing thinly-disguised smoke screens at voters. Let's
> trust the voters and national delegates to take care of their own feelings
> and trust ourselves to do the same. To not do so strikes me, at best, as
> somewhere in between passive-aggressive and co-dependent behavior. I trust
> the national delegates to take care of their business responsibly. Do LNC
> members trust the national delegates to fulfil their charter? How we handle
> this matter will send a clear message to delegates about whether we trust
> them to discharge their responsibilities in a Libertarian manner.
>
> If we do not like Arvin's posting, we are individually free to say so to
> our hearts content. However, beyond trusting national delegates, I would
> hope that we have more important matters to attend to between now and the
> national convention and at the LNC meeting in Denver.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
> Region 6 Representative
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of Steven
> Nekhaila
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 8:14 AM
> To: Lnc-Business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> Subject: [Lnc-business] LNC members request for Mr. Vohra to resign
>
>
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> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
> I will not back down on my previous decision; furthermore, this discussion
> is a waste of time as a) we can all rest assured Arvin Vohra will not
> resign and b) it is the rightful job of the degelates to seek his
> replacement if they so see fit. I am but an alternate so the decision will
> not lay soley on me, however, I can’t support another bout against Arvin,
> it is a waste of time.
>
>
>
> Arvin makes several posts per day, every few months he says something
> that’s polarizing and gets people offended. I can say the same thing about
> our own social media platform, but I will give both the benefit of the
> doubt. What Arvin did didn’t violate the NAP, and I refuse to be offended
> by words. I am more offended by the State. June will come faster than we
> all realize, and kicking up dust over this will only make the situation
> worse, I have first hand experience from Florida.
>
>
>
> Let’s continue to be the centrifugal force of liberty in the United
> States, the delegates voted for Arvin, the delegates can make the final
> call in NOLA.
>
>
>
> In Liberty,
>
>
> Steven Nekhaila
>
> Region 2 Representative Alternate
>
>
>
> impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
>
> “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
>
>
>
>
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> >
> > On Mar 31, 2018 at 5:24 PM, <Justin O'Donnell (mailto:
> justin.odonnell at lp.org)> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pending the wording of such a resolution, and presuming it focuses on
> > the actions of the individual rather than the underlying philosophy he
> > is attempting (poorly) to communicate, I would also willingly
> > cosponsor such a motion, so long as it is not divisive and alienating
> > of a large portion of our most dedicated support base.
> > Justin O'Donnell
> > LNC Region 8 Representative
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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Repudiating the pledge is not political correctness. And YES the
pledge deals with WORDS. The whole demonization of perfectly
reasonable objections is the new "correctness" and I am beyond the
point of thinking it is admirable in any shape or form.
This latest episode is of a different character then the prior ones. I
disagreed with fellow LNC members on the prior issue but I understood
where they were coming from. I have zero respect or tolerance for
turning a blind eye to this one. Absolutely zero.
If this is what the Party will tolerate, the breezy (hey its a joke
brah) advocation OF KILLING PEOPLE, this is not my Party.
I am ashamed of any peer who defends this, and do not care if the
feeling is mutual.
On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 7:27 PM, <[1]david.demarest at lp.org> wrote:
Steven,
Thank you for injecting some common sense into this discussion that,
from my perspective, boils down attempts to read the minds of
voters, the majority of whom could care less about this internal
hubbub. For those who say this is not the case, I challenge them to
put their money where your mouth is, do the due diligence, and
provide the numbers. That is the Libertarian way.
Some might disagree with Arvin's logic and many disagree with his
words. Interesting, it is my observation that most of the responses
I have read so far have been notably devoid of any semblance of
logic and reflect emotional reactions that have done nothing to add
to my pride in being a libertarian. Most of us know perfectly well
what Arvin had in mind. Perhaps Arvin has more courage than I do,
but I would not have chosen those words. Nevertheless, short of a
violation of standard definitions of malfeasance of office, Arvin's
'joke' does not violate the NAP anymore than anti-statist jokes that
some of us make offline albeit probably not on Facebook. That being
the case, I question the wisdom of circumventing the authority of
national delegates before the rapidly approaching national
convention. Leave that kind of top-down concentration of power moves
that usurps national delegate responsibilities to the other two
major parties.
For heaven's sakes, let's put our political-correctness bromides on
the shelf instead of blowing thinly-disguised smoke screens at
voters. Let's trust the voters and national delegates to take care
of their own feelings and trust ourselves to do the same. To not do
so strikes me, at best, as somewhere in between passive-aggressive
and co-dependent behavior. I trust the national delegates to take
care of their business responsibly. Do LNC members trust the
national delegates to fulfil their charter? How we handle this
matter will send a clear message to delegates about whether we trust
them to discharge their responsibilities in a Libertarian manner.
If we do not like Arvin's posting, we are individually free to say
so to our hearts content. However, beyond trusting national
delegates, I would hope that we have more important matters to
attend to between now and the national convention and at the LNC
meeting in Denver.
Thoughts?
~David Pratt Demarest
Region 6 Representative
-----Original Message-----
From: Lnc-business <[2]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of
Steven Nekhaila
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 8:14 AM
To: Lnc-Business <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
Subject: [Lnc-business] LNC members request for Mr. Vohra to resign
Dear Colleagues,
I will not back down on my previous decision; furthermore, this
discussion is a waste of time as a) we can all rest assured Arvin
Vohra will not resign and b) it is the rightful job of the degelates
to seek his replacement if they so see fit. I am but an alternate so
the decision will not lay soley on me, however, I can’t support
another bout against Arvin, it is a waste of time.
Arvin makes several posts per day, every few months he says
something that’s polarizing and gets people offended. I can say the
same thing about our own social media platform, but I will give both
the benefit of the doubt. What Arvin did didn’t violate the NAP, and
I refuse to be offended by words. I am more offended by the State.
June will come faster than we all realize, and kicking up dust over
this will only make the situation worse, I have first hand
experience from Florida.
Let’s continue to be the centrifugal force of liberty in the United
States, the delegates voted for Arvin, the delegates can make the
final call in NOLA.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative Alternate
impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
“Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
> On Mar 31, 2018 at 5:24 PM, <Justin O'Donnell
(mailto:[4]justin.odonnell at lp.org)> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Pending the wording of such a resolution, and presuming it focuses
on
> the actions of the individual rather than the underlying philosophy
he
> is attempting (poorly) to communicate, I would also willingly
> cosponsor such a motion, so long as it is not divisive and
alienating
> of a large portion of our most dedicated support base.
> Justin O'Donnell
> LNC Region 8 Representative
>
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:david.demarest at lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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