[Lnc-business] Platform Committee
Daniel Hayes
daniel.hayes at lp.org
Thu May 17 12:04:54 EDT 2018
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Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member
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> On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken. Don't twist my few
> sentences.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
>
> Now Ms. Robson is directly affected. Is she the CA primary
> representative or not? It seems to me quite obvious she is. That is
> what I stated on the list. I asked for any disagreement. None was
> offered. Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was told
> that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms. Robson.
>
> In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge to
> that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes to
> take. It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview of the
> appointing bodies. Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be aware
> which is my duty to do so.
>
> What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware to
> determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable with the
> situation. That is all. The Committee already decided no rules were
> broken. On that, there is no confusion.
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
> stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
> position.
>
> It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
>
> What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to modify
> how platform committee members are appointed.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting. I said
> there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC Primary
> (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
>
> There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not agree at
> the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each vote.
> There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future in-person
> meeting or any email votes.
>
> Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware of
> and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my request
> to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
> in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
>
> He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but remains the
> CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and the
> CA representative.
>
> So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for
> good reason.
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to
> the platform committee.
> Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee, resigned
> back in April.
> This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
> committee on 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector list)
> ----
> "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
> committee
> and extends his apologies.
> Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
> Robson
> would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the
> prior
> issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
> this prior
> to my submission of these changes to HQ."
> ----
> On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
> there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
> alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
> At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on
> May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
> anyone had.
> Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the
> LPCA representative.
> I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is how
> I know.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
> seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
> conclusion I
> question).
> I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
> Committee's
> attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing their
> appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then
> too late
> for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the
> case, I
> think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
> I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
> appointment
> of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> [1][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
> On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
> The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr wore
> the hat
> of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
> alternate.
> There was no confusion. Two different people participated and
> voted
> from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one vote
> on
> each
> question.
> -Alicia
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee
> Chair.
> As the
> LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and
> as you
> may
> not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron
> Starr
> as
> their
> primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
> Alternate and
> CA primary.
> Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
> leaving
> a
> vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that then
> Mr.
> Starr
> would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
> agrees on
> that,
> but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
> primary
> appointments, that of LNC and that of California. This
> can
> affect
> voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
> Starr, and
> leaves
> the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
> primary
> or
> not. She has not communicated that to me this is my own
> independent
> observation (she is a difficult position as she is now the
> LPCA
> Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
> vacated any
> seat
> and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has
> decided
> that
> there
> is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
> situation.
> At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
> bodies
> (the
> LNC
> and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a
> choice,
> leave
> things be, or some other option available to them. I am
> cc'ing
> this
> information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward
> to her
> EC if
> she wishes.
> If there is any change please let me know.
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
> Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. [3]mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
> 2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
> 3. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 9. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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