[Lnc-business] Platform Committee
Wes Benedict
wes.benedict at lp.org
Thu May 17 12:07:00 EDT 2018
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Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
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>> On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken. Don't twist my few
>> sentences.
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>> On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
>>
>> Now Ms. Robson is directly affected. Is she the CA primary
>> representative or not? It seems to me quite obvious she is. That is
>> what I stated on the list. I asked for any disagreement. None was
>> offered. Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was told
>> that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms. Robson.
>>
>> In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge to
>> that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes to
>> take. It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview of the
>> appointing bodies. Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be aware
>> which is my duty to do so.
>>
>> What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware to
>> determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable with the
>> situation. That is all. The Committee already decided no rules were
>> broken. On that, there is no confusion.
>>
>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
>> stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
>> position.
>>
>> It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
>>
>> What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to modify
>> how platform committee members are appointed.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>> On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting. I said
>> there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC Primary
>> (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
>>
>> There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not agree at
>> the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each vote.
>> There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future in-person
>> meeting or any email votes.
>>
>> Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware of
>> and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
>>
>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my request
>> to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
>> in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
>>
>> He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but remains the
>> CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and the
>> CA representative.
>>
>> So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for
>> good reason.
>>
>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>> <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to
>> the platform committee.
>> Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee, resigned
>> back in April.
>> This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
>> committee on 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector list)
>> ----
>> "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
>> committee
>> and extends his apologies.
>> Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
>> Robson
>> would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the
>> prior
>> issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
>> this prior
>> to my submission of these changes to HQ."
>> ----
>> On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
>> there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
>> alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
>> At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on
>> May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
>> anyone had.
>> Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the
>> LPCA representative.
>> I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is how
>> I know.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>> On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
>> seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
>> conclusion I
>> question).
>> I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
>> Committee's
>> attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing their
>> appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then
>> too late
>> for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the
>> case, I
>> think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
>> I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
>> appointment
>> of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> [1][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>> On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
>> The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr wore
>> the hat
>> of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
>> alternate.
>> There was no confusion. Two different people participated and
>> voted
>> from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one vote
>> on
>> each
>> question.
>> -Alicia
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee
>> Chair.
>> As the
>> LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and
>> as you
>> may
>> not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron
>> Starr
>> as
>> their
>> primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
>> Alternate and
>> CA primary.
>> Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
>> leaving
>> a
>> vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that then
>> Mr.
>> Starr
>> would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
>> agrees on
>> that,
>> but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
>> primary
>> appointments, that of LNC and that of California. This
>> can
>> affect
>> voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
>> Starr, and
>> leaves
>> the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
>> primary
>> or
>> not. She has not communicated that to me this is my own
>> independent
>> observation (she is a difficult position as she is now the
>> LPCA
>> Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
>> vacated any
>> seat
>> and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has
>> decided
>> that
>> there
>> is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
>> situation.
>> At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
>> bodies
>> (the
>> LNC
>> and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a
>> choice,
>> leave
>> things be, or some other option available to them. I am
>> cc'ing
>> this
>> information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward
>> to her
>> EC if
>> she wishes.
>> If there is any change please let me know.
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
>> Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> References
>> 1. [3]mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
>> 2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
>> 3. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>> - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>> - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>> - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>> 9. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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