[Lnc-business] Platform Committee

Wes Benedict wes.benedict at lp.org
Thu May 17 12:07:00 EDT 2018


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On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
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>> On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>    I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken.  Don't twist my few
>>    sentences.
>>
>>    ---
>>    Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>>    On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>>    Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
>>
>>    Now Ms. Robson is directly affected.  Is she the CA primary
>>    representative or not?  It seems to me quite obvious she is.  That is
>>    what I stated on the list.  I asked for any disagreement.  None was
>>    offered.  Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was told
>>    that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms. Robson.
>>
>>    In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge to
>>    that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes to
>>    take.  It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview of the
>>    appointing bodies.  Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be aware
>>    which is my duty to do so.
>>
>>    What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware to
>>    determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable with the
>>    situation.  That is all.  The Committee already decided no rules were
>>    broken.  On that, there is no confusion.
>>
>>    On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>    <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>    Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
>>    stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
>>    position.
>>
>>    It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
>>
>>    What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to modify
>>    how platform committee members are appointed.
>>    ---
>>    Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>>    On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>>    PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting.  I said
>>    there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC Primary
>>    (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
>>
>>    There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not agree at
>>    the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each vote.
>>    There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future in-person
>>    meeting or any email votes.
>>
>>    Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware of
>>    and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
>>
>>    On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>    Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion.  Despite my request
>>    to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
>>    in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
>>
>>    He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but remains the
>>    CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and the
>>    CA representative.
>>
>>    So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for
>>    good reason.
>>
>>    On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>>    <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>      No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to
>>      the platform committee.
>>      Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee, resigned
>>      back in April.
>>      This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
>>      committee on 4-18-2018.  (which can be read in the reflector list)
>>      ----
>>      "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
>>      committee
>>      and extends his apologies.
>>      Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
>>      Robson
>>      would move up to the CA primary representative.  In light of the
>>      prior
>>      issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
>>      this prior
>>      to my submission of these changes to HQ."
>>      ----
>>      On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
>>      there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
>>      alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
>>      At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on
>>      May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
>>      anyone had.
>>      Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the
>>      LPCA representative.
>>      I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is how
>>      I know.
>>      ---
>>      Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>>    On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>>      I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
>>         seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
>>      conclusion I
>>         question).
>>         I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
>>      Committee's
>>         attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing their
>>         appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then
>>      too late
>>         for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the
>>      case, I
>>         think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
>>         I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
>>      appointment
>>         of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
>>         Love & Liberty,
>>                                              ((( starchild )))
>>         At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                                  [1][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                                           (415) 625-FREE
>>                                             @StarchildSF
>>         On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>      wrote:
>>           Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
>>           The Platform Committee met this past weekend.  Mr. Starr wore
>>      the hat
>>           of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
>>      alternate.
>>           There was no confusion.  Two different people participated and
>>      voted
>>           from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one vote
>>      on
>>         each
>>           question.
>>           -Alicia
>>           On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>      Lnc-business
>>           <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>                Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee
>>      Chair.
>>             As the
>>                LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and
>>      as you
>>             may
>>                not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron
>>      Starr
>>         as
>>             their
>>                primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
>>             Alternate and
>>                CA primary.
>>                Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
>>         leaving
>>             a
>>                vacancy on the LNC appointments.  It seems to me that then
>>      Mr.
>>             Starr
>>                would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
>>      agrees on
>>             that,
>>                but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
>>      primary
>>                appointments, that of LNC and that of California.  This
>>      can
>>             affect
>>                voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
>>      Starr, and
>>             leaves
>>                the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
>>         primary
>>             or
>>                not.  She has not communicated that to me this is my own
>>             independent
>>                observation (she is a difficult position as she is now the
>>      LPCA
>>                Chair).   Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
>>      vacated any
>>             seat
>>                and thus holds the two positions.  The Committee has
>>      decided
>>         that
>>             there
>>                is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
>>      situation.
>>                At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
>>      bodies
>>         (the
>>             LNC
>>                and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a
>>      choice,
>>             leave
>>                things be, or some other option available to them.  I am
>>      cc'ing
>>             this
>>                information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward
>>      to her
>>             EC if
>>                she wishes.
>>                If there is any change please let me know.
>>                --
>>                In Liberty,
>>                Caryn Ann Harlos
>>                Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>      (Alaska,
>>                Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>             Washington)
>>                - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
>>                Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>                Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
>>                Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
>>                A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>                We defend your rights
>>                And oppose the use of force
>>                Taxation is theft
>>             References
>>                1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>         References
>>           1. [3]mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>           2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>      References
>>         1. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>         2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
>>         3. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>         4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>>
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>    - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>    Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>>
>>
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>    - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>    Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>>
>>
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>    - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>    Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>>    1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>    2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>    3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>    5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>    8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>    9. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>>   10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>   14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>   16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/




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