[Lnc-business] Platform Committee
Daniel Hayes
daniel.hayes at lp.org
Thu May 17 12:07:46 EDT 2018
No. I like to eat the crusts off first.
Daniel
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> On May 17, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Want the crusts cut off?
>
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>> On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
>> I like fried bologna sandwiches on Bunny brand “Plantation” loaf white bread with yellow mustard.
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>>
>>
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>>> On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken. Don't twist my few
>>> sentences.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>
>>> On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
>>>
>>> Now Ms. Robson is directly affected. Is she the CA primary
>>> representative or not? It seems to me quite obvious she is. That is
>>> what I stated on the list. I asked for any disagreement. None was
>>> offered. Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was told
>>> that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms. Robson.
>>>
>>> In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge to
>>> that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes to
>>> take. It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview of the
>>> appointing bodies. Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be aware
>>> which is my duty to do so.
>>>
>>> What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware to
>>> determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable with the
>>> situation. That is all. The Committee already decided no rules were
>>> broken. On that, there is no confusion.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
>>> stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
>>> position.
>>>
>>> It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
>>>
>>> What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to modify
>>> how platform committee members are appointed.
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>
>>> On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting. I said
>>> there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC Primary
>>> (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
>>>
>>> There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not agree at
>>> the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each vote.
>>> There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future in-person
>>> meeting or any email votes.
>>>
>>> Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware of
>>> and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my request
>>> to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
>>> in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
>>>
>>> He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but remains the
>>> CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and the
>>> CA representative.
>>>
>>> So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for
>>> good reason.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>>> <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to
>>> the platform committee.
>>> Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee, resigned
>>> back in April.
>>> This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
>>> committee on 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector list)
>>> ----
>>> "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
>>> committee
>>> and extends his apologies.
>>> Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
>>> Robson
>>> would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the
>>> prior
>>> issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
>>> this prior
>>> to my submission of these changes to HQ."
>>> ----
>>> On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
>>> there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
>>> alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
>>> At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on
>>> May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
>>> anyone had.
>>> Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the
>>> LPCA representative.
>>> I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is how
>>> I know.
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>
>>> On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
>>> seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
>>> conclusion I
>>> question).
>>> I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
>>> Committee's
>>> attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing their
>>> appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then
>>> too late
>>> for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the
>>> case, I
>>> think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
>>> I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
>>> appointment
>>> of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> [1][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>> On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>> wrote:
>>> Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
>>> The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr wore
>>> the hat
>>> of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
>>> alternate.
>>> There was no confusion. Two different people participated and
>>> voted
>>> from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one vote
>>> on
>>> each
>>> question.
>>> -Alicia
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>> Lnc-business
>>> <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee
>>> Chair.
>>> As the
>>> LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and
>>> as you
>>> may
>>> not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron
>>> Starr
>>> as
>>> their
>>> primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
>>> Alternate and
>>> CA primary.
>>> Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
>>> leaving
>>> a
>>> vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that then
>>> Mr.
>>> Starr
>>> would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
>>> agrees on
>>> that,
>>> but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
>>> primary
>>> appointments, that of LNC and that of California. This
>>> can
>>> affect
>>> voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
>>> Starr, and
>>> leaves
>>> the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
>>> primary
>>> or
>>> not. She has not communicated that to me this is my own
>>> independent
>>> observation (she is a difficult position as she is now the
>>> LPCA
>>> Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
>>> vacated any
>>> seat
>>> and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has
>>> decided
>>> that
>>> there
>>> is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
>>> situation.
>>> At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
>>> bodies
>>> (the
>>> LNC
>>> and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a
>>> choice,
>>> leave
>>> things be, or some other option available to them. I am
>>> cc'ing
>>> this
>>> information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward
>>> to her
>>> EC if
>>> she wishes.
>>> If there is any change please let me know.
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>> - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
>>> Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>> References
>>> 1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> References
>>> 1. [3]mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> References
>>> 1. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>> 2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
>>> 3. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>> - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>> - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>> - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>> 9. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>>> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>> 14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>> 16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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