[Lnc-business] Platform Committee

Daniel Hayes daniel.hayes at lp.org
Thu May 17 12:07:46 EDT 2018


No. I like to eat the crusts off first.

Daniel

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> On May 17, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
> Want the crusts cut off?
> 
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
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>> On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
>> I like fried bologna sandwiches on Bunny brand “Plantation” loaf white bread with yellow mustard.
>> 
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken.  Don't twist my few
>>>   sentences.
>>> 
>>>   ---
>>>   Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> 
>>>   On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
>>> 
>>>   Now Ms. Robson is directly affected.  Is she the CA primary
>>>   representative or not?  It seems to me quite obvious she is.  That is
>>>   what I stated on the list.  I asked for any disagreement.  None was
>>>   offered.  Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was told
>>>   that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms. Robson.
>>> 
>>>   In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge to
>>>   that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes to
>>>   take.  It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview of the
>>>   appointing bodies.  Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be aware
>>>   which is my duty to do so.
>>> 
>>>   What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware to
>>>   determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable with the
>>>   situation.  That is all.  The Committee already decided no rules were
>>>   broken.  On that, there is no confusion.
>>> 
>>>   On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>   <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
>>>   stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
>>>   position.
>>> 
>>>   It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
>>> 
>>>   What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to modify
>>>   how platform committee members are appointed.
>>>   ---
>>>   Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> 
>>>   On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>> 
>>>   PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting.  I said
>>>   there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC Primary
>>>   (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
>>> 
>>>   There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not agree at
>>>   the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each vote.
>>>   There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future in-person
>>>   meeting or any email votes.
>>> 
>>>   Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware of
>>>   and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
>>> 
>>>   On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>   <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion.  Despite my request
>>>   to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
>>>   in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
>>> 
>>>   He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but remains the
>>>   CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and the
>>>   CA representative.
>>> 
>>>   So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for
>>>   good reason.
>>> 
>>>   On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>>>   <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>     No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to
>>>     the platform committee.
>>>     Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee, resigned
>>>     back in April.
>>>     This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
>>>     committee on 4-18-2018.  (which can be read in the reflector list)
>>>     ----
>>>     "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
>>>     committee
>>>     and extends his apologies.
>>>     Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
>>>     Robson
>>>     would move up to the CA primary representative.  In light of the
>>>     prior
>>>     issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
>>>     this prior
>>>     to my submission of these changes to HQ."
>>>     ----
>>>     On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
>>>     there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
>>>     alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
>>>     At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on
>>>     May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
>>>     anyone had.
>>>     Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the
>>>     LPCA representative.
>>>     I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is how
>>>     I know.
>>>     ---
>>>     Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> 
>>>   On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> 
>>>     I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
>>>        seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
>>>     conclusion I
>>>        question).
>>>        I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
>>>     Committee's
>>>        attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing their
>>>        appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then
>>>     too late
>>>        for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the
>>>     case, I
>>>        think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
>>>        I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
>>>     appointment
>>>        of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
>>>        Love & Liberty,
>>>                                             ((( starchild )))
>>>        At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>                                 [1][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>                                          (415) 625-FREE
>>>                                            @StarchildSF
>>>        On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>>     wrote:
>>>          Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
>>>          The Platform Committee met this past weekend.  Mr. Starr wore
>>>     the hat
>>>          of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
>>>     alternate.
>>>          There was no confusion.  Two different people participated and
>>>     voted
>>>          from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one vote
>>>     on
>>>        each
>>>          question.
>>>          -Alicia
>>>          On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>     Lnc-business
>>>          <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>               Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee
>>>     Chair.
>>>            As the
>>>               LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and
>>>     as you
>>>            may
>>>               not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron
>>>     Starr
>>>        as
>>>            their
>>>               primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
>>>            Alternate and
>>>               CA primary.
>>>               Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
>>>        leaving
>>>            a
>>>               vacancy on the LNC appointments.  It seems to me that then
>>>     Mr.
>>>            Starr
>>>               would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
>>>     agrees on
>>>            that,
>>>               but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
>>>     primary
>>>               appointments, that of LNC and that of California.  This
>>>     can
>>>            affect
>>>               voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
>>>     Starr, and
>>>            leaves
>>>               the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
>>>        primary
>>>            or
>>>               not.  She has not communicated that to me this is my own
>>>            independent
>>>               observation (she is a difficult position as she is now the
>>>     LPCA
>>>               Chair).   Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
>>>     vacated any
>>>            seat
>>>               and thus holds the two positions.  The Committee has
>>>     decided
>>>        that
>>>            there
>>>               is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
>>>     situation.
>>>               At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
>>>     bodies
>>>        (the
>>>            LNC
>>>               and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a
>>>     choice,
>>>            leave
>>>               things be, or some other option available to them.  I am
>>>     cc'ing
>>>            this
>>>               information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward
>>>     to her
>>>            EC if
>>>               she wishes.
>>>               If there is any change please let me know.
>>>               --
>>>               In Liberty,
>>>               Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>               Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>     (Alaska,
>>>               Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>            Washington)
>>>               - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
>>>               Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>               Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
>>>               Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
>>>               A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>               We defend your rights
>>>               And oppose the use of force
>>>               Taxation is theft
>>>            References
>>>               1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>        References
>>>          1. [3]mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>          2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>     References
>>>        1. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>        2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
>>>        3. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>        4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   --
>>>   --
>>>   In Liberty,
>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>>   - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>   Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> 
>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>   We defend your rights
>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>   Taxation is theft
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   --
>>>   --
>>>   In Liberty,
>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>>   - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>   Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> 
>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>   We defend your rights
>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>   Taxation is theft
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   --
>>>   --
>>>   In Liberty,
>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>>   - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>   Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> 
>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>   We defend your rights
>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>   Taxation is theft
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>>   1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>   2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>   3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>   4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>   5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>   6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>   7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>   8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>   9. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>>>  10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>  11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>  12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>  13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>  14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>  15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>  16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>  17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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