[Lnc-business] Platform Committee
Craig Bowden
craig.bowden at lp.org
Thu May 17 19:13:16 EDT 2018
Reading through the emails on this issue, I will side with Starchild.
Since there are two sides to this, one being that Mr. Starr has two
seats, the other side being that the California Alternate is now the
Primary, a conflict is in place. If we follow with Starchild's motion, I
don't see an issue created, because Mr. Starr would still remain on the
committee, while we ensure to add the clarity that he does only hold one
seat.
While I certainly understand that no bylaws are violated, I don't see
this as a measure to punish, but to ensure integrity in the process. And
while I am sure Mr. Starr is not going to abuse this, we would have
precedent set to make sure that if someone did, we can make sure action
is taken.
I would also recommend that we also discuss with the Bylaws Committee
about updating our bylaws to make sure that we do not end up with a
double up situation again, and we will not be presented as a body with
this issue in the future.
My two cents.
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On 2018-05-17 10:07, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
> No. I like to eat the crusts off first.
>
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 17, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict via Lnc-business
>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Want the crusts cut off?
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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>>> On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> I like fried bologna sandwiches on Bunny brand “Plantation” loaf
>>> white bread with yellow mustard.
>>>
>>> Daniel Hayes
>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken. Don't twist my
>>>> few
>>>> sentences.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
>>>>
>>>> Now Ms. Robson is directly affected. Is she the CA primary
>>>> representative or not? It seems to me quite obvious she is. That
>>>> is
>>>> what I stated on the list. I asked for any disagreement. None
>>>> was
>>>> offered. Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was
>>>> told
>>>> that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms.
>>>> Robson.
>>>>
>>>> In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge
>>>> to
>>>> that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes
>>>> to
>>>> take. It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview of
>>>> the
>>>> appointing bodies. Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be
>>>> aware
>>>> which is my duty to do so.
>>>>
>>>> What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware to
>>>> determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable with
>>>> the
>>>> situation. That is all. The Committee already decided no rules
>>>> were
>>>> broken. On that, there is no confusion.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
>>>> stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
>>>> position.
>>>>
>>>> It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
>>>>
>>>> What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to
>>>> modify
>>>> how platform committee members are appointed.
>>>> ---
>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting. I
>>>> said
>>>> there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC
>>>> Primary
>>>> (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
>>>>
>>>> There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not
>>>> agree at
>>>> the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each
>>>> vote.
>>>> There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future
>>>> in-person
>>>> meeting or any email votes.
>>>>
>>>> Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware
>>>> of
>>>> and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my
>>>> request
>>>> to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
>>>> in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
>>>>
>>>> He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but
>>>> remains the
>>>> CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and
>>>> the
>>>> CA representative.
>>>>
>>>> So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused
>>>> for
>>>> good reason.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
>>>> Lnc-business
>>>> <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr
>>>> to
>>>> the platform committee.
>>>> Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee,
>>>> resigned
>>>> back in April.
>>>> This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
>>>> committee on 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector
>>>> list)
>>>> ----
>>>> "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
>>>> committee
>>>> and extends his apologies.
>>>> Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
>>>> Robson
>>>> would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the
>>>> prior
>>>> issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
>>>> this prior
>>>> to my submission of these changes to HQ."
>>>> ----
>>>> On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
>>>> there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
>>>> alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
>>>> At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio
>>>> on
>>>> May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
>>>> anyone had.
>>>> Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as
>>>> the
>>>> LPCA representative.
>>>> I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is
>>>> how
>>>> I know.
>>>> ---
>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize
>>>> multiple
>>>> seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
>>>> conclusion I
>>>> question).
>>>> I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
>>>> Committee's
>>>> attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing
>>>> their
>>>> appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by
>>>> then
>>>> too late
>>>> for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being
>>>> the
>>>> case, I
>>>> think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
>>>> I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
>>>> appointment
>>>> of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for
>>>> seconds.
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> [1][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>> On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
>>>> The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr
>>>> wore
>>>> the hat
>>>> of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
>>>> alternate.
>>>> There was no confusion. Two different people participated
>>>> and
>>>> voted
>>>> from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one
>>>> vote
>>>> on
>>>> each
>>>> question.
>>>> -Alicia
>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>> Lnc-business
>>>> <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform
>>>> Committee
>>>> Chair.
>>>> As the
>>>> LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate,
>>>> and
>>>> as you
>>>> may
>>>> not know, subsequent to that date California named
>>>> Aaron
>>>> Starr
>>>> as
>>>> their
>>>> primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats:
>>>> LNC
>>>> Alternate and
>>>> CA primary.
>>>> Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has
>>>> resigned
>>>> leaving
>>>> a
>>>> vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that
>>>> then
>>>> Mr.
>>>> Starr
>>>> would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
>>>> agrees on
>>>> that,
>>>> but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
>>>> primary
>>>> appointments, that of LNC and that of California.
>>>> This
>>>> can
>>>> affect
>>>> voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
>>>> Starr, and
>>>> leaves
>>>> the current California alternate unsure if she is now
>>>> the
>>>> primary
>>>> or
>>>> not. She has not communicated that to me this is my
>>>> own
>>>> independent
>>>> observation (she is a difficult position as she is now
>>>> the
>>>> LPCA
>>>> Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
>>>> vacated any
>>>> seat
>>>> and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has
>>>> decided
>>>> that
>>>> there
>>>> is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
>>>> situation.
>>>> At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
>>>> bodies
>>>> (the
>>>> LNC
>>>> and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require
>>>> a
>>>> choice,
>>>> leave
>>>> things be, or some other option available to them. I
>>>> am
>>>> cc'ing
>>>> this
>>>> information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to
>>>> forward
>>>> to her
>>>> EC if
>>>> she wishes.
>>>> If there is any change please let me know.
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>> Committee
>>>> (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>> Wyoming,
>>>> Washington)
>>>> - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>> Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
>>>> Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> References
>>>> 1. [3]mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>> 2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 3. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington)
>>>> - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington)
>>>> - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington)
>>>> - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>> 9. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
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