[Lnc-business] Platform Committee
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu May 17 19:51:16 EDT 2018
Craig as a point of clarity, if Aaron stepped down from the CA primary, Ms.
Robson would without question move into primary and then CA could appoint a
new alternate allowing more people to participate. Right now, neither the
LPCA or Ms. Robson can truly know what their options are.
Conversely the LNC cannot appoint anyone new so if Mr. Starr were removed
from his LNC seat there would be a permanent vacancy.
I brought this to the attention of both appointing bodies as it concerns
both, but I would personally suggest to Starchild that he speak with the
LPCA since that would allow greater participation by more members or
perhaps Starchild can ask Mr. Starr personally to relinquish the CA primary
seat.
I know there are no rules broken here but it is really really
counterinuitive to even our process. The LNC will remember that Mr. Starr
and I were in a multi-round tie for that last seat. In arguing for his
appointment, Mr. Starr said that since my husband is the Chair of the LPCO
the LNC should give him the LNC seat since I would get the CO seat.
Putting aside the inappropriateness of that statement, it seems apparent
that even to Mr. Starr *at that time* that a state primary appointment and
an LNC primary appointment were two mutually exclusive things, so this
whole situation is really really puzzling. It personally would never have
occurred to me after I won the LNC spot to then go and also secure the CO
spot. No rule is needed to tell me that and that it would close off
opportunity from someone else who could have that seat.
Starchild, perhaps speak with the LPCA? I would hate for the LNC to lose a
space permanently which is what would happen if Mr. Starr were removed from
the LNC appointment.
However that is not a decision I will be participating in.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Reading through the emails on this issue, I will side with Starchild.
> Since there are two sides to this, one being that Mr. Starr has two seats,
> the other side being that the California Alternate is now the Primary, a
> conflict is in place. If we follow with Starchild's motion, I don't see an
> issue created, because Mr. Starr would still remain on the committee, while
> we ensure to add the clarity that he does only hold one seat.
>
> While I certainly understand that no bylaws are violated, I don't see this
> as a measure to punish, but to ensure integrity in the process. And while I
> am sure Mr. Starr is not going to abuse this, we would have precedent set
> to make sure that if someone did, we can make sure action is taken.
>
> I would also recommend that we also discuss with the Bylaws Committee
> about updating our bylaws to make sure that we do not end up with a double
> up situation again, and we will not be presented as a body with this issue
> in the future.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Alternate
>
>
> On 2018-05-17 10:07, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>> No. I like to eat the crusts off first.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Want the crusts cut off?
>>>
>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>
>>> On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> I like fried bologna sandwiches on Bunny brand “Plantation” loaf white
>>>> bread with yellow mustard.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken. Don't twist my few
>>>>> sentences.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now Ms. Robson is directly affected. Is she the CA primary
>>>>> representative or not? It seems to me quite obvious she is. That is
>>>>> what I stated on the list. I asked for any disagreement. None was
>>>>> offered. Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was told
>>>>> that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms. Robson.
>>>>>
>>>>> In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge to
>>>>> that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes to
>>>>> take. It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview of the
>>>>> appointing bodies. Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be aware
>>>>> which is my duty to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware to
>>>>> determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable with
>>>>> the
>>>>> situation. That is all. The Committee already decided no rules were
>>>>> broken. On that, there is no confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
>>>>> stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
>>>>> position.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
>>>>>
>>>>> What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to
>>>>> modify
>>>>> how platform committee members are appointed.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting. I
>>>>> said
>>>>> there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC
>>>>> Primary
>>>>> (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
>>>>>
>>>>> There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not agree
>>>>> at
>>>>> the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each
>>>>> vote.
>>>>> There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future
>>>>> in-person
>>>>> meeting or any email votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware of
>>>>> and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my request
>>>>> to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
>>>>> in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
>>>>>
>>>>> He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but remains
>>>>> the
>>>>> CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and
>>>>> the
>>>>> CA representative.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for
>>>>> good reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>>>>> <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to
>>>>> the platform committee.
>>>>> Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee,
>>>>> resigned
>>>>> back in April.
>>>>> This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
>>>>> committee on 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector list)
>>>>> ----
>>>>> "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
>>>>> committee
>>>>> and extends his apologies.
>>>>> Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
>>>>> Robson
>>>>> would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the
>>>>> prior
>>>>> issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
>>>>> this prior
>>>>> to my submission of these changes to HQ."
>>>>> ----
>>>>> On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
>>>>> there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
>>>>> alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
>>>>> At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on
>>>>> May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
>>>>> anyone had.
>>>>> Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the
>>>>> LPCA representative.
>>>>> I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is
>>>>> how
>>>>> I know.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
>>>>> seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
>>>>> conclusion I
>>>>> question).
>>>>> I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
>>>>> Committee's
>>>>> attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing
>>>>> their
>>>>> appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then
>>>>> too late
>>>>> for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the
>>>>> case, I
>>>>> think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
>>>>> I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
>>>>> appointment
>>>>> of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> [1][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>> On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
>>>>> The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr wore
>>>>> the hat
>>>>> of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
>>>>> alternate.
>>>>> There was no confusion. Two different people participated and
>>>>> voted
>>>>> from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one
>>>>> vote
>>>>> on
>>>>> each
>>>>> question.
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>> <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee
>>>>> Chair.
>>>>> As the
>>>>> LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and
>>>>> as you
>>>>> may
>>>>> not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron
>>>>> Starr
>>>>> as
>>>>> their
>>>>> primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
>>>>> Alternate and
>>>>> CA primary.
>>>>> Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
>>>>> leaving
>>>>> a
>>>>> vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that
>>>>> then
>>>>> Mr.
>>>>> Starr
>>>>> would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
>>>>> agrees on
>>>>> that,
>>>>> but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
>>>>> primary
>>>>> appointments, that of LNC and that of California. This
>>>>> can
>>>>> affect
>>>>> voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
>>>>> Starr, and
>>>>> leaves
>>>>> the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
>>>>> primary
>>>>> or
>>>>> not. She has not communicated that to me this is my own
>>>>> independent
>>>>> observation (she is a difficult position as she is now
>>>>> the
>>>>> LPCA
>>>>> Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
>>>>> vacated any
>>>>> seat
>>>>> and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has
>>>>> decided
>>>>> that
>>>>> there
>>>>> is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>> At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
>>>>> bodies
>>>>> (the
>>>>> LNC
>>>>> and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a
>>>>> choice,
>>>>> leave
>>>>> things be, or some other option available to them. I am
>>>>> cc'ing
>>>>> this
>>>>> information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward
>>>>> to her
>>>>> EC if
>>>>> she wishes.
>>>>> If there is any change please let me know.
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>> Washington)
>>>>> - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>> Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
>>>>> Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>> References
>>>>> 1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> References
>>>>> 1. [3]mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> 2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> References
>>>>> 1. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> 2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 3. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> 4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>> Washington)
>>>>> - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>> Washington)
>>>>> - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>> Washington)
>>>>> - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>
>>>>> References
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> 4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> 9. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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Craig as a point of clarity, if Aaron stepped down from the CA primary,
Ms. Robson would without question move into primary and then CA could
appoint a new alternate allowing more people to participate. Right
now, neither the LPCA or Ms. Robson can truly know what their options
are.
Conversely the LNC cannot appoint anyone new so if Mr. Starr were
removed from his LNC seat there would be a permanent vacancy.
I brought this to the attention of both appointing bodies as it
concerns both, but I would personally suggest to Starchild that he
speak with the LPCA since that would allow greater participation by
more members or perhaps Starchild can ask Mr. Starr personally to
relinquish the CA primary seat.
I know there are no rules broken here but it is really really
counterinuitive to even our process. The LNC will remember that Mr.
Starr and I were in a multi-round tie for that last seat. In arguing
for his appointment, Mr. Starr said that since my husband is the Chair
of the LPCO the LNC should give him the LNC seat since I would get the
CO seat. Putting aside the inappropriateness of that statement, it
seems apparent that even to Mr. Starr at that time that a state primary
appointment and an LNC primary appointment were two mutually exclusive
things, so this whole situation is really really puzzling. It
personally would never have occurred to me after I won the LNC spot to
then go and also secure the CO spot. No rule is needed to tell me that
and that it would close off opportunity from someone else who could
have that seat.
Starchild, perhaps speak with the LPCA? I would hate for the LNC to
lose a space permanently which is what would happen if Mr. Starr were
removed from the LNC appointment.
However that is not a decision I will be participating in.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Reading through the emails on this issue, I will side with
Starchild. Since there are two sides to this, one being that Mr.
Starr has two seats, the other side being that the California
Alternate is now the Primary, a conflict is in place. If we follow
with Starchild's motion, I don't see an issue created, because Mr.
Starr would still remain on the committee, while we ensure to add
the clarity that he does only hold one seat.
While I certainly understand that no bylaws are violated, I don't
see this as a measure to punish, but to ensure integrity in the
process. And while I am sure Mr. Starr is not going to abuse this,
we would have precedent set to make sure that if someone did, we can
make sure action is taken.
I would also recommend that we also discuss with the Bylaws
Committee about updating our bylaws to make sure that we do not end
up with a double up situation again, and we will not be presented as
a body with this issue in the future.
My two cents.
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On 2018-05-17 10:07, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
No. I like to eat the crusts off first.
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On May 17, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Want the crusts cut off?
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [3]wes.benedict at lp.org
[4]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: [5]http://lp.org/membership
On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
I like fried bologna sandwiches on Bunny brand “Plantation” loaf
white bread with yellow mustard.
Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member
Sent from my iPhone
On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken. Don't twist my
few
sentences.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
Now Ms. Robson is directly affected. Is she the CA primary
representative or not? It seems to me quite obvious she is. That
is
what I stated on the list. I asked for any disagreement. None
was
offered. Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was
told
that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms.
Robson.
In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge
to
that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes
to
take. It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview of
the
appointing bodies. Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be
aware
which is my duty to do so.
What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware to
determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable with
the
situation. That is all. The Committee already decided no rules
were
broken. On that, there is no confusion.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1][7]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
position.
It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to
modify
how platform committee members are appointed.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting. I
said
there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC
Primary
(no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not
agree at
the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each
vote.
There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future
in-person
meeting or any email votes.
Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware
of
and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2][8]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my
request
to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but
remains the
CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and
the
CA representative.
So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused
for
good reason.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
Lnc-business
<[3][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr
to
the platform committee.
Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee,
resigned
back in April.
This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
committee on 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector
list)
----
"Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
committee
and extends his apologies.
Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
Robson
would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the
prior
issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
this prior
to my submission of these changes to HQ."
----
On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio
on
May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
anyone had.
Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as
the
LPCA representative.
I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is
how
I know.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize
multiple
seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
conclusion I
question).
I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
Committee's
attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing
their
appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by
then
too late
for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being
the
case, I
think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
appointment
of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for
seconds.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[1][4][10]RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
@StarchildSF
On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
wrote:
Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr
wore
the hat
of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
alternate.
There was no confusion. Two different people participated
and
voted
from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one
vote
on
each
question.
-Alicia
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
<[1][5][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform
Committee
Chair.
As the
LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate,
and
as you
may
not know, subsequent to that date California named
Aaron
Starr
as
their
primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats:
LNC
Alternate and
CA primary.
Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has
resigned
leaving
a
vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that
then
Mr.
Starr
would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
agrees on
that,
but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
primary
appointments, that of LNC and that of California.
This
can
affect
voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
Starr, and
leaves
the current California alternate unsure if she is now
the
primary
or
not. She has not communicated that to me this is my
own
independent
observation (she is a difficult position as she is now
the
LPCA
Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
vacated any
seat
and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has
decided
that
there
is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
situation.
At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
bodies
(the
LNC
and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require
a
choice,
leave
things be, or some other option available to them. I
am
cc'ing
this
information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to
forward
to her
EC if
she wishes.
If there is any change please let me know.
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington)
- [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. [3]mailto:[6][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. mailto:[8][13]RealReform at earthlink.net
2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
3. mailto:[10][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
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--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[15]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. mailto:[16]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:[17]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[18]RealReform at earthlink.net
5. mailto:[19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:[21]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
8. mailto:[22]RealReform at earthlink.net
9. mailto:[23]Harlos at LP.org
10. mailto:[24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
12. mailto:[26]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
13. [27]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
14. mailto:[28]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
15. [29]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
16. mailto:[30]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
17. [31]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [32]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [33]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
4. http://facebook.com/libertarians
5. http://lp.org/membership
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
8. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
15. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
16. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
17. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
18. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
19. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
21. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
22. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
23. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
24. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
25. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
26. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
27. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
28. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
29. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
30. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
31. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
32. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
33. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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