[Lnc-business] MOTION: Re: Platform Committee
Starchild
starchild at lp.org
Thu May 17 12:16:28 EDT 2018
Elizabeth,
This was never about a rule being broken. It's neither possible nor desirable for us to create a rule regarding every single practice that we shouldn't engage in. We already, in my view, have too many of the same insiders serving on too many committees simultaneously, without having some of them serving on the same committee twice!
I am reposting my motion with "MOTION" in the subject line, for easier identification:
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I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its appointment
of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
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Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
@StarchildSF
On May 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron Starr
> stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
> position.
>
> It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
>
> What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to modify
> how platform committee members are appointed.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting. I said
> there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC Primary
> (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
>
> There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not agree at
> the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each vote.
> There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future in-person
> meeting or any email votes.
>
> Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be aware of
> and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my request
> to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
> in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
>
> He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but remains the
> CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and the
> CA representative.
>
> So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for
> good reason.
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to
> the platform committee.
> Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee, resigned
> back in April.
> This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
> committee on 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector list)
> ----
> "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
> committee
> and extends his apologies.
> Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
> Robson
> would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the
> prior
> issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
> this prior
> to my submission of these changes to HQ."
> ----
> On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
> there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
> alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
> At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on
> May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
> anyone had.
> Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the
> LPCA representative.
> I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is how
> I know.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
> seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
> conclusion I
> question).
> I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
> Committee's
> attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing their
> appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then
> too late
> for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the
> case, I
> think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
> I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
> appointment
> of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> [1][3]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
> On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
> The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr wore
> the hat
> of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
> alternate.
> There was no confusion. Two different people participated and
> voted
> from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one vote
> on
> each
> question.
> -Alicia
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee
> Chair.
> As the
> LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and
> as you
> may
> not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron
> Starr
> as
> their
> primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
> Alternate and
> CA primary.
> Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
> leaving
> a
> vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that then
> Mr.
> Starr
> would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
> agrees on
> that,
> but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
> primary
> appointments, that of LNC and that of California. This
> can
> affect
> voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
> Starr, and
> leaves
> the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
> primary
> or
> not. She has not communicated that to me this is my own
> independent
> observation (she is a difficult position as she is now the
> LPCA
> Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
> vacated any
> seat
> and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has
> decided
> that
> there
> is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
> situation.
> At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
> bodies
> (the
> LNC
> and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a
> choice,
> leave
> things be, or some other option available to them. I am
> cc'ing
> this
> information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward
> to her
> EC if
> she wishes.
> If there is any change please let me know.
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
> Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. [3]mailto:[5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. [4]mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[7]RealReform at earthlink.net
> 2. mailto:[8]Harlos at LP.org
> 3. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [14]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 7. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> 8. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
> 9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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