[Lnc-business] Platform Committee

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri May 18 00:01:45 EDT 2018


Starchild, yes it could affect quorum.  More importantly it could cause a
voting advantage not shared by other members.  I had originally ruled that
he could not occupy two seats due to that reason and was over-ruled on
appeal by the Committee but that doesn't mean the voting advantage is not
there (it is), it is just decided by the Committee that it is allowed.

What do I mean by voting advantage since it isn't always apparently
obvious?  Well it really could only happen in email votes.

Picture this vote on whether or not Dany will win the Iron Throne:

LNC - Y
LNC - Y
LNC - Y
LNC - Y
LNC ____
AK - N
CA - N
CO - N
FL -N
IL - abstain
IN - Y
MI - N
NH - abstain
NV - Y
NY - N
OH - Y
PA - Y
TX - N
VA - abstain
WA - N

8 yes, 3 abstain, 8 N

Robson has voted N for CA and Starr has yet to vote.  He can choose to vote
as CA and change that vote to a yes causing the yes's to win or he can vote
as LNC primary as no and cause the no's to win.  No one else can do that by
picking a different seat.  And Mr. Starr has the right to change which seat
he is voting in mid-vote on an email ballot.

While the Committee has determined there is no disqualification, Bylaws, or
Rules issues to say there is therefore no issue or no confusion is not
accurate.  If the appointing bodies are okay with this, that is their
prerogative.  I had thought this resolved itself when Mr. Miron resigned,
but apparently it has not.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:41 PM, Starchild <starchild at lp.org> wrote:

>
>         Possibly someone has already discussed this, and if so I apologize
> for not recalling, but what effect could a situation like this have on
> things like quorum and voting thresholds?
>
>         It seems to me that one person occupying two seats on a committee
> could potentially make such calculations even more confusing than they
> already can be. Maybe not for those who are great at remembering Bylaws and
> Roberts' Rules and Policy Manual provisions and knowing when the basis for
> a particular calculation is the number of representatives present, when it
> is the number of actual bodies present and so on, but for the rest of us.
>
>         Also, if one person occupying two seats simultaneously is okay,
> would one person occupying three seats also be okay? Multiple individuals
> occupying multiple seats could really start to eat into the number of
> actual people serving on a committee, making it effectively smaller than
> originally intended.
>
>         Regarding the issue Joshua raises, it seems simple to me to just
> have a rule (or even just use common sense) that if a person is already
> serving on a committee, s/he is ineligible to be appointed to that
> committee. If a person has been appointed by the LNC and then a state
> affiliate decides to appoint them, or vice-versa, they would still always
> have the option of resigning their previous appointment and accepting the
> new one.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                        RealReform at earthlink.net
>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>                                  @StarchildSF
>
>
> On May 17, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> >   Joshua I thought so too, but a strict reading of the Bylaws does not
> >   say that- I think the intent was to say that (just like I think the
> >   intent is for different people to hold the various seats) but it does
> >   not strictly say that.
> >
> >   On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Joshua Katz via Lnc-business
> >   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >        I think it's worth noting that, if this motion were to pass, the
> >     LNC
> >        would not get (at least the way I read the bylaws) to appoint a
> >        replacement.  The effect would simply be to have fewer filled
> >     positions
> >        on the committee (albeit with the same number of people).
> >        On the topic of a bylaw change, I am open to suggestions, but it
> >     is not
> >        immediately apparent to me how you'd prevent this circumstance.
> >     Of
> >        course, there's an obvious way, but the effect would be to limit
> >     state
> >        appointments, since the LNC generally appoints first.  The LNC
> >        appointed, if I remember correctly, one alternate to the Platform
> >        Committee.  It could appoint 20, and a bylaw limiting the state
> >        appointments would mean that the LNC could simply choose 20
> >     people and
> >        make them ineligible for state appointments.  The other way to do
> >     it is
> >        to let the states do as they want, but if the states choose a
> >     person,
> >        it bumps that person out of the LNC appointment.  That prevents
> >     LNC
> >        mischief, but opens the door to state mischief.  If anyone has an
> >     idea
> >        that avoids those issues, I'd be happy to hear it, though.
> >        Joshua A. Katz
> >
> >      On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business
> >      <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >        Reading through the emails on this issue, I will side with
> >        Starchild. Since there are two sides to this, one being that Mr.
> >        Starr has two seats, the other side being that the California
> >        Alternate is now the Primary, a conflict is in place. If we follow
> >        with Starchild's motion, I don't see an issue created, because Mr.
> >        Starr would still remain on the committee, while we ensure to add
> >        the clarity that he does only hold one seat.
> >        While I certainly understand that no bylaws are violated, I don't
> >        see this as a measure to punish, but to ensure integrity in the
> >        process. And while I am sure Mr. Starr is not going to abuse this,
> >        we would have precedent set to make sure that if someone did, we
> >   can
> >        make sure action is taken.
> >        I would also recommend that we also discuss with the Bylaws
> >        Committee about updating our bylaws to make sure that we do not
> >   end
> >        up with a double up situation again, and we will not be presented
> >   as
> >        a body with this issue in the future.
> >        My two cents.
> >        Craig Bowden
> >        Region 1 Alternate
> >      On 2018-05-17 10:07, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
> >        No. I like to eat the crusts off first.
> >        Daniel
> >        Sent from my iPhone
> >        On May 17, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict via Lnc-business
> >
> >          <[2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >          Want the crusts cut off?
> >          Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> >          Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> >          1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> >          (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [3][4]wes.benedict at lp.org
> >          [4][5]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> >          Join the Libertarian Party at: [5][6]http://lp.org/membership
> >          On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
> >          I like fried bologna sandwiches on Bunny brand “Plantation”
> >     loaf
> >          white bread with yellow mustard.
> >          Daniel Hayes
> >          LNC At Large Member
> >          Sent from my iPhone
> >          On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
> >     Lnc-business
> >
> >        <[6][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >          I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken.  Don't twist my
> >        few
> >          sentences.
> >          ---
> >          Elizabeth Van Horn
> >          On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >          Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
> >          Now Ms. Robson is directly affected.  Is she the CA primary
> >          representative or not?  It seems to me quite obvious she is.
> >   That
> >        is
> >          what I stated on the list.  I asked for any disagreement.  None
> >        was
> >          offered.  Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I was
> >        told
> >          that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms.
> >        Robson.
> >          In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no challenge
> >        to
> >          that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr wishes
> >        to
> >          take.  It was agreed by the Committee that this is the purview
> >   of
> >        the
> >          appointing bodies.  Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies be
> >        aware
> >          which is my duty to do so.
> >          What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies aware
> >   to
> >          determine if this is their intent and if they are comfortable
> >   with
> >        the
> >          situation.  That is all.  The Committee already decided no rules
> >        were
> >          broken.  On that, there is no confusion.
> >          On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> >
> >          <[1][7][8]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >          Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron
> >   Starr
> >          stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA rep
> >          position.
> >          It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
> >          What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws to
> >        modify
> >          how platform committee members are appointed.
> >          ---
> >          Elizabeth Van Horn
> >          On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >          PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that meeting.
> >   I
> >        said
> >          there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an LNC
> >        Primary
> >          (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
> >          There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did not
> >        agree at
> >          the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for each
> >        vote.
> >          There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future
> >        in-person
> >          meeting or any email votes.
> >          Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be
> >   aware
> >        of
> >          and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
> >          On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >
> >            <[2][8][9]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >            Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion.  Despite my
> >          request
> >            to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email,
> >     at the
> >            in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
> >            He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but
> >          remains the
> >            CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary
> >     Representative and
> >          the
> >            CA representative.
> >            So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are
> >     confused
> >          for
> >            good reason.
> >            On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
> >          Lnc-business
> >
> >          <[3][9][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >            No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr
> >        to
> >            the platform committee.
> >            Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee,
> >        resigned
> >            back in April.
> >            This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
> >            committee on 4-18-2018.  (which can be read in the reflector
> >        list)
> >            ----
> >            "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from
> >   the
> >            committee
> >            and extends his apologies.
> >            Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and
> >   Ms.
> >            Robson
> >            would move up to the CA primary representative.  In light of
> >   the
> >            prior
> >            issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement
> >   with
> >            this prior
> >            to my submission of these changes to HQ."
> >            ----
> >            On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed
> >   role,
> >            there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
> >            alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
> >            At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio
> >        on
> >            May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or
> >   roles,
> >            anyone had.
> >            Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted
> >   as
> >        the
> >            LPCA representative.
> >            I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this
> >   is
> >        how
> >            I know.
> >            ---
> >            Elizabeth Van Horn
> >          On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
> >            I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize
> >        multiple
> >               seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
> >            conclusion I
> >               question).
> >               I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
> >            Committee's
> >               attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing
> >        their
> >               appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by
> >        then
> >            too late
> >               for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being
> >        the
> >            case, I
> >               think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
> >               I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
> >            appointment
> >               of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for
> >        seconds.
> >               Love & Liberty,
> >                                                    ((( starchild )))
> >               At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >
> >                                          [1][4][10][11]RealReform@
> >     earthlink.net
> >                                                   (415) 625-FREE
> >                                                     @StarchildSF
> >                 On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via
> >     Lnc-business
> >              wrote:
> >                   Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
> >                   The Platform Committee met this past weekend.  Mr.
> >     Starr
> >          wore
> >              the hat
> >                   of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as
> >     the CA
> >              alternate.
> >                   There was no confusion.  Two different people
> >     participated
> >          and
> >              voted
> >                   from the two different appointing bodies, each getting
> >     one
> >          vote
> >              on
> >                 each
> >                   question.
> >                   -Alicia
> >                   On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >              Lnc-business
> >
> >                 <[1][5][11][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >                      Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform
> >        Committee
> >            Chair.
> >                   As the
> >                      LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC
> >   alternate,
> >        and
> >            as you
> >                   may
> >                      not know, subsequent to that date California named
> >        Aaron
> >            Starr
> >               as
> >                   their
> >                      primary appointee resulting in him holding two
> >   seats:
> >        LNC
> >                   Alternate and
> >                      CA primary.
> >                      Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has
> >        resigned
> >               leaving
> >                   a
> >                      vacancy on the LNC appointments.  It seems to me
> >   that
> >        then
> >            Mr.
> >                   Starr
> >                      would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
> >            agrees on
> >                   that,
> >                      but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
> >            primary
> >                      appointments, that of LNC and that of California.
> >        This
> >            can
> >                   affect
> >                      voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
> >            Starr, and
> >                   leaves
> >                      the current California alternate unsure if she is
> >   now
> >        the
> >               primary
> >                   or
> >                      not.  She has not communicated that to me this is my
> >        own
> >                   independent
> >                      observation (she is a difficult position as she is
> >   now
> >        the
> >            LPCA
> >                      Chair).   Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
> >            vacated any
> >                   seat
> >                      and thus holds the two positions.  The Committee has
> >            decided
> >               that
> >                   there
> >                      is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
> >            situation.
> >                      At this point, it is in the purview of the
> >   appointing
> >            bodies
> >               (the
> >                   LNC
> >                      and California) to decide if they wish to ask,
> >   require
> >        a
> >            choice,
> >                   leave
> >                      things be, or some other option available to them.
> >   I
> >        am
> >            cc'ing
> >                   this
> >                      information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to
> >        forward
> >            to her
> >                   EC if
> >                      she wishes.
> >                      If there is any change please let me know.
> >                      --
> >                      In Liberty,
> >                      Caryn Ann Harlos
> >                      Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
> >        Committee
> >            (Alaska,
> >                      Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> >        Wyoming,
> >                   Washington)
> >                      - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
> >                      Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >                      Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
> >                      Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
> >                      A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >                      We defend your rights
> >                      And oppose the use of force
> >                      Taxation is theft
> >                   References
> >                      1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >               References
> >
> >                   1. [3]mailto:[6][12][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >                   2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >              References
> >                 1. mailto:[8][13][14]RealReform at earthlink.net
> >                 2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
> >                 3. mailto:[10][14][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >
> >               4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >          --
> >          --
> >          In Liberty,
> >          Caryn Ann Harlos
> >          Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >          Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> >        Washington)
> >          - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >          Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >          Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >          A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >          We defend your rights
> >          And oppose the use of force
> >          Taxation is theft
> >          --
> >          --
> >          In Liberty,
> >          Caryn Ann Harlos
> >          Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >          Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> >        Washington)
> >          - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >          Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >          Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >          A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >          We defend your rights
> >          And oppose the use of force
> >          Taxation is theft
> >          --
> >          --
> >          In Liberty,
> >          Caryn Ann Harlos
> >          Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >          Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> >        Washington)
> >          - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >          Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >          Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >          A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >          We defend your rights
> >          And oppose the use of force
> >          Taxation is theft
> >        References
> >
> >            1. mailto:[15][16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >            2. mailto:[16][17]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >            3. mailto:[17][18]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >            4. mailto:[18][19]RealReform at earthlink.net
> >            5. mailto:[19][20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >            6. mailto:[20][21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >            7. mailto:[21]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >            8. mailto:[22][22]RealReform at earthlink.net
> >            9. mailto:[23]Harlos at LP.org
> >           10. mailto:[24][23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >           11. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >           12. mailto:[26]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >           13. [27][24]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >           14. mailto:[28]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >           15. [29][25]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >           16. mailto:[30]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >           17. [31][26]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >     References
> >        1. mailto:[27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >        2. mailto:[28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >        3. mailto:[29]wes.benedict at lp.org
> >        4. [30]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> >        5. [31]http://lp.org/membership
> >        6. mailto:[32]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >        7. mailto:[33]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >        8. mailto:[34]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >        9. mailto:[35]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       10. mailto:[36]RealReform at earthlink.net
> >       11. mailto:[37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       12. mailto:[38]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       13. mailto:[39]RealReform at earthlink.net
> >       14. mailto:[40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       15. mailto:[41]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >       16. mailto:[42]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >       17. mailto:[43]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       18. mailto:[44]RealReform at earthlink.net
> >       19. mailto:[45]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       20. mailto:[46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       21. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >       22. mailto:[48]RealReform at earthlink.net
> >       23. mailto:[49]Harlos at LP.org
> >       24. mailto:[50]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >       25. mailto:[51]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >       26. mailto:[52]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >       27. [53]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >       28. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >       29. [55]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >       30. mailto:[56]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >       31. [57]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> >   --
> >   --
> >   In Liberty,
> >   Caryn Ann Harlos
> >   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> >   - [58]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >   Communications Director, [59]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >   We defend your rights
> >   And oppose the use of force
> >   Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> >   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >   2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >   3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >   4. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> >   5. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> >   6. http://lp.org/membership
> >   7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >   8. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >   9. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >  10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  11. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >  12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  14. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >  15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  16. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >  17. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >  18. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  19. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >  20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  22. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >  23. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  24. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >  25. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >  26. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >  27. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  28. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  29. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> >  30. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> >  31. http://lp.org/membership
> >  32. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  33. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >  34. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >  35. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  36. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >  37. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  38. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  39. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >  40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  41. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >  42. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >  43. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  44. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >  45. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  46. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  47. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >  48. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >  49. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
> >  50. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  51. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >  52. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >  53. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >  54. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >  55. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >  56. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >  57. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >  58. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >  59. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
>


-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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   Starchild, yes it could affect quorum.  More importantly it could cause
   a voting advantage not shared by other members.  I had originally ruled
   that he could not occupy two seats due to that reason and was
   over-ruled on appeal by the Committee but that doesn't mean the voting
   advantage is not there (it is), it is just decided by the Committee
   that it is allowed.
   What do I mean by voting advantage since it isn't always apparently
   obvious?  Well it really could only happen in email votes.
   Picture this vote on whether or not Dany will win the Iron Throne:
   LNC - Y
   LNC - Y
   LNC - Y
   LNC - Y
   LNC ____
   AK - N
   CA - N
   CO - N
   FL -N
   IL - abstain
   IN - Y
   MI - N
   NH - abstain
   NV - Y
   NY - N
   OH - Y
   PA - Y
   TX - N
   VA - abstain
   WA - N
   8 yes, 3 abstain, 8 N
   Robson has voted N for CA and Starr has yet to vote.  He can choose to
   vote as CA and change that vote to a yes causing the yes's to win or he
   can vote as LNC primary as no and cause the no's to win.  No one else
   can do that by picking a different seat.  And Mr. Starr has the right
   to change which seat he is voting in mid-vote on an email ballot.
   While the Committee has determined there is no disqualification,
   Bylaws, or Rules issues to say there is therefore no issue or no
   confusion is not accurate.  If the appointing bodies are okay with
   this, that is their prerogative.  I had thought this resolved itself
   when Mr. Miron resigned, but apparently it has not.

   On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:41 PM, Starchild <[1]starchild at lp.org> wrote:

             Possibly someone has already discussed this, and if so I
     apologize for not recalling, but what effect could a situation like
     this have on things like quorum and voting thresholds?
             It seems to me that one person occupying two seats on a
     committee could potentially make such calculations even more
     confusing than they already can be. Maybe not for those who are
     great at remembering Bylaws and Roberts' Rules and Policy Manual
     provisions and knowing when the basis for a particular calculation
     is the number of representatives present, when it is the number of
     actual bodies present and so on, but for the rest of us.
             Also, if one person occupying two seats simultaneously is
     okay, would one person occupying three seats also be okay? Multiple
     individuals occupying multiple seats could really start to eat into
     the number of actual people serving on a committee, making it
     effectively smaller than originally intended.
             Regarding the issue Joshua raises, it seems simple to me to
     just have a rule (or even just use common sense) that if a person is
     already serving on a committee, s/he is ineligible to be appointed
     to that committee. If a person has been appointed by the LNC and
     then a state affiliate decides to appoint them, or vice-versa, they
     would still always have the option of resigning their previous
     appointment and accepting the new one.
     Love & Liberty,
                                        ((( starchild )))
     At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
                            [2]RealReform at earthlink.net
                                     (415) 625-FREE
                                      @StarchildSF
     On May 17, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
     wrote:
     >   Joshua I thought so too, but a strict reading of the Bylaws does
     not
     >   say that- I think the intent was to say that (just like I think
     the
     >   intent is for different people to hold the various seats) but it
     does
     >   not strictly say that.
     >
     >   On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Joshua Katz via Lnc-business

   >   <[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
   >
   >        I think it's worth noting that, if this motion were to pass,
   the
   >     LNC
   >        would not get (at least the way I read the bylaws) to appoint
   a
   >        replacement.  The effect would simply be to have fewer filled
   >     positions
   >        on the committee (albeit with the same number of people).
   >        On the topic of a bylaw change, I am open to suggestions, but
   it
   >     is not
   >        immediately apparent to me how you'd prevent this
   circumstance.
   >     Of
   >        course, there's an obvious way, but the effect would be to
   limit
   >     state
   >        appointments, since the LNC generally appoints first.  The LNC
   >        appointed, if I remember correctly, one alternate to the
   Platform
   >        Committee.  It could appoint 20, and a bylaw limiting the
   state
   >        appointments would mean that the LNC could simply choose 20
   >     people and
   >        make them ineligible for state appointments.  The other way to
   do
   >     it is
   >        to let the states do as they want, but if the states choose a
   >     person,
   >        it bumps that person out of the LNC appointment.  That
   prevents
   >     LNC
   >        mischief, but opens the door to state mischief.  If anyone has
   an
   >     idea
   >        that avoids those issues, I'd be happy to hear it, though.
   >        Joshua A. Katz
   >
   >      On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business

   >      <[1][2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
   >        Reading through the emails on this issue, I will side with
   >        Starchild. Since there are two sides to this, one being that
   Mr.
   >        Starr has two seats, the other side being that the California
   >        Alternate is now the Primary, a conflict is in place. If we
   follow
   >        with Starchild's motion, I don't see an issue created, because
   Mr.
   >        Starr would still remain on the committee, while we ensure to
   add
   >        the clarity that he does only hold one seat.
   >        While I certainly understand that no bylaws are violated, I
   don't
   >        see this as a measure to punish, but to ensure integrity in
   the
   >        process. And while I am sure Mr. Starr is not going to abuse
   this,
   >        we would have precedent set to make sure that if someone did,
   we
   >   can
   >        make sure action is taken.
   >        I would also recommend that we also discuss with the Bylaws
   >        Committee about updating our bylaws to make sure that we do
   not
   >   end
   >        up with a double up situation again, and we will not be
   presented
   >   as
   >        a body with this issue in the future.
   >        My two cents.
   >        Craig Bowden
   >        Region 1 Alternate
   >      On 2018-05-17 10:07, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business wrote:
   >        No. I like to eat the crusts off first.
   >        Daniel
   >        Sent from my iPhone
   >        On May 17, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict via Lnc-business
   >

     >          <[2][3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
     >          Want the crusts cut off?
     >          Wes Benedict, Executive Director
     >          Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
     >          1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
     >          (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [3][4][6]wes.benedict at lp.org
     >          [4][5][7]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
     >          Join the Libertarian Party at:
     [5][6][8]http://lp.org/membership
     >          On 5/17/2018 12:04 PM, Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business
     wrote:
     >          I like fried bologna sandwiches on Bunny brand
     “Plantation”
     >     loaf
     >          white bread with yellow mustard.
     >          Daniel Hayes
     >          LNC At Large Member
     >          Sent from my iPhone
     >          On May 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
     >     Lnc-business
     >

   >        <[6][7][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
   >          I didn't say, that you said, rules were broken.  Don't twist
   my
   >        few
   >          sentences.
   >          ---
   >          Elizabeth Van Horn
   >          On 2018-05-17 11:50, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
   >          Please cite for me where I said any rules were broken.
   >          Now Ms. Robson is directly affected.  Is she the CA primary
   >          representative or not?  It seems to me quite obvious she is.
   >   That
   >        is
   >          what I stated on the list.  I asked for any disagreement.
   None
   >        was
   >          offered.  Then a few weeks later at the in-person meeting I
   was
   >        told
   >          that is not correct which was news to both myself and to Ms.
   >        Robson.
   >          In line with the prior Committee decision, there is no
   challenge
   >        to
   >          that from the Committee if that is the position Mr. Starr
   wishes
   >        to
   >          take.  It was agreed by the Committee that this is the
   purview
   >   of
   >        the
   >          appointing bodies.  Ergo, my letting the appointing bodies
   be
   >        aware
   >          which is my duty to do so.
   >          What I did say is that I was making the appointing bodies
   aware
   >   to
   >          determine if this is their intent and if they are
   comfortable
   >   with
   >        the
   >          situation.  That is all.  The Committee already decided no
   rules
   >        were
   >          broken.  On that, there is no confusion.
   >          On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
   >

   >          <[1][7][8][10]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
   >          Caryn Ann, I saw your prior email where you told about Aaron
   >   Starr
   >          stating he was still holding both the LNC alternate and LPCA
   rep
   >          position.
   >          It's allowed. No rules were broken. He can do this.
   >          What could be done for the future, is a change in the bylaws
   to
   >        modify
   >          how platform committee members are appointed.
   >          ---
   >          Elizabeth Van Horn
   >          On 2018-05-17 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
   >          PS I never indicated any confusion in voting for that
   meeting.
   >   I
   >        said
   >          there is a confusion about whether or not Aaron is both an
   LNC
   >        Primary
   >          (no longer an alternate) and the CA Primary.
   >          There *could* have been voting confusion if Mr. Starr did
   not
   >        agree at
   >          the very beginning that he would remain in the LNC seat for
   each
   >        vote.
   >          There was no guarantee that would be the case for the future
   >        in-person
   >          meeting or any email votes.
   >          Thus---- the very real issue for the appointing bodies to be
   >   aware
   >        of
   >          and decide if that is acceptable to them or not.
   >          On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
   >

     >            <[2][8][9][11]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
     >            Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion.
     Despite my
     >          request
     >            to indicate if there was any disagreements with that
     email,
     >     at the
     >            in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did
     disagree.
     >            He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative
     but
     >          remains the
     >            CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary
     >     Representative and
     >          the
     >            CA representative.
     >            So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are
     >     confused
     >          for
     >            good reason.
     >            On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
     >          Lnc-business
     >

   >          <[3][9][10][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
   >            No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron
   Starr
   >        to
   >            the platform committee.
   >            Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform
   committee,
   >        resigned
   >            back in April.
   >            This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the
   platform
   >            committee on 4-18-2018.  (which can be read in the
   reflector
   >        list)
   >            ----
   >            "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign
   from
   >   the
   >            committee
   >            and extends his apologies.
   >            Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee
   and
   >   Ms.
   >            Robson
   >            would move up to the CA primary representative.  In light
   of
   >   the
   >            prior
   >            issue, please advise immediately if there is a
   disagreement
   >   with
   >            this prior
   >            to my submission of these changes to HQ."
   >            ----
   >            On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed
   >   role,
   >            there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion
   about
   >            alternates in general, including the Florida alternate,
   etc.
   >            At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus,
   Ohio
   >        on
   >            May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or
   >   roles,
   >            anyone had.
   >            Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson
   voted
   >   as
   >        the
   >            LPCA representative.
   >            I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee,
   this
   >   is
   >        how
   >            I know.
   >            ---
   >            Elizabeth Van Horn
   >          On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
   >            I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize
   >        multiple
   >               seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing
   (a
   >            conclusion I
   >               question).
   >               I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
   >            Committee's
   >               attention in the hopes they would correct it by
   withdrawing
   >        their
   >               appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was
   by
   >        then
   >            too late
   >               for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That
   being
   >        the
   >            case, I
   >               think we should act to correct the situation on our
   end.
   >               I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw
   its
   >            appointment
   >               of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for
   >        seconds.
   >               Love & Liberty,
   >                                                    ((( starchild )))
   >               At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
   >

     >                                          [1][4][10][11]RealReform@

   >     [13]earthlink.net
   >                                                   (415) 625-FREE
   >                                                     @StarchildSF
   >                 On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via
   >     Lnc-business
   >              wrote:
   >                   Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
   >                   The Platform Committee met this past weekend.  Mr.
   >     Starr
   >          wore
   >              the hat
   >                   of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as
   >     the CA
   >              alternate.
   >                   There was no confusion.  Two different people
   >     participated
   >          and
   >              voted
   >                   from the two different appointing bodies, each
   getting
   >     one
   >          vote
   >              on
   >                 each
   >                   question.
   >                   -Alicia
   >                   On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
   via
   >              Lnc-business
   >

   >                 <[1][5][11][12][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
   >                      Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform
   >        Committee
   >            Chair.
   >                   As the
   >                      LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC
   >   alternate,
   >        and
   >            as you
   >                   may
   >                      not know, subsequent to that date California
   named
   >        Aaron
   >            Starr
   >               as
   >                   their
   >                      primary appointee resulting in him holding two
   >   seats:
   >        LNC
   >                   Alternate and
   >                      CA primary.
   >                      Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has
   >        resigned
   >               leaving
   >                   a
   >                      vacancy on the LNC appointments.  It seems to me
   >   that
   >        then
   >            Mr.
   >                   Starr
   >                      would then move into that spot and it seems
   everyone
   >            agrees on
   >                   that,
   >                      but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding
   two
   >            primary
   >                      appointments, that of LNC and that of
   California.
   >        This
   >            can
   >                   affect
   >                      voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to
   Mr.
   >            Starr, and
   >                   leaves
   >                      the current California alternate unsure if she
   is
   >   now
   >        the
   >               primary
   >                   or
   >                      not.  She has not communicated that to me this
   is my
   >        own
   >                   independent
   >                      observation (she is a difficult position as she
   is
   >   now
   >        the
   >            LPCA
   >                      Chair).   Mr. Starr has informed me that he has
   not
   >            vacated any
   >                   seat
   >                      and thus holds the two positions.  The Committee
   has
   >            decided
   >               that
   >                   there
   >                      is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents
   this
   >            situation.
   >                      At this point, it is in the purview of the
   >   appointing
   >            bodies
   >               (the
   >                   LNC
   >                      and California) to decide if they wish to ask,
   >   require
   >        a
   >            choice,
   >                   leave
   >                      things be, or some other option available to
   them.
   >   I
   >        am
   >            cc'ing
   >                   this
   >                      information to the California Chair Ms. Robson
   to
   >        forward
   >            to her
   >                   EC if
   >                      she wishes.
   >                      If there is any change please let me know.
   >                      --
   >                      In Liberty,
   >                      Caryn Ann Harlos
   >                      Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
   >        Committee
   >            (Alaska,
   >                      Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
   Utah,
   >        Wyoming,
   >                   Washington)
   >                      - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
   >                      Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   >                      Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform
   Committee
   >                      Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws
   Committee
   >                      A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   >                      We defend your rights
   >                      And oppose the use of force
   >                      Taxation is theft
   >                   References
   >                      1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   >               References
   >

     >                   1. [3]mailto:[6][12][13][15]lnc-
     business at hq.lp.org
     >                   2. [4]mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >              References
     >                 1. mailto:[8][13][14][16]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >                 2. mailto:[9]Harlos at LP.org
     >                 3. mailto:[10][14][15][17]lnc-business at hq.lp.org

   >
   >               4. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   >          --
   >          --
   >          In Liberty,
   >          Caryn Ann Harlos
   >          Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
   (Alaska,
   >          Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
   >        Washington)
   >          - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
   >          Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
   >          Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   >          A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   >          We defend your rights
   >          And oppose the use of force
   >          Taxation is theft
   >          --
   >          --
   >          In Liberty,
   >          Caryn Ann Harlos
   >          Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
   (Alaska,
   >          Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
   >        Washington)
   >          - [14]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
   >          Communications Director, [15]Libertarian Party of Colorado
   >          Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   >          A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   >          We defend your rights
   >          And oppose the use of force
   >          Taxation is theft
   >          --
   >          --
   >          In Liberty,
   >          Caryn Ann Harlos
   >          Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
   (Alaska,
   >          Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
   >        Washington)
   >          - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
   >          Communications Director, [17]Libertarian Party of Colorado
   >          Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   >          A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   >          We defend your rights
   >          And oppose the use of force
   >          Taxation is theft
   >        References
   >

     >            1. mailto:[15][16][18]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
     >            2. mailto:[16][17][19]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >            3. mailto:[17][18][20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >            4. mailto:[18][19][21]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >            5. mailto:[19][20][22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >            6. mailto:[20][21][23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >            7. mailto:[21]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >            8. mailto:[22][22][24]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >            9. mailto:[23]Harlos at LP.org
     >           10. mailto:[24][23][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >           11. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >           12. mailto:[26]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >           13. [27][24][26]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >           14. mailto:[28]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >           15. [29][25][27]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >           16. mailto:[30]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >           17. [31][26][28]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >     References
     >        1. mailto:[27][29]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >        2. mailto:[28][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >        3. mailto:[29][31]wes.benedict at lp.org
     >        4. [30][32]http://facebook.com/libertarians
     >        5. [31][33]http://lp.org/membership
     >        6. mailto:[32][34]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >        7. mailto:[33][35]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
     >        8. mailto:[34][36]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >        9. mailto:[35][37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >       10. mailto:[36][38]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >       11. mailto:[37][39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >       12. mailto:[38][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >       13. mailto:[39][41]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >       14. mailto:[40][42]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >       15. mailto:[41][43]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
     >       16. mailto:[42][44]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >       17. mailto:[43][45]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >       18. mailto:[44][46]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >       19. mailto:[45][47]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >       20. mailto:[46][48]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >       21. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >       22. mailto:[48][49]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >       23. mailto:[49]Harlos at LP.org
     >       24. mailto:[50][50]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >       25. mailto:[51]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >       26. mailto:[52]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >       27. [53][51]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >       28. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >       29. [55][52]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >       30. mailto:[56]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >       31. [57][53]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >
     >   --
     >   --
     >   In Liberty,
     >   Caryn Ann Harlos
     >   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
     >   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
     Washington)
     >   - [58]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
     >   Communications Director, [59]Libertarian Party of Colorado
     >   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
     >   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
     >   We defend your rights
     >   And oppose the use of force
     >   Taxation is theft
     >
     > References
     >
     >   1. mailto:[54]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >   2. mailto:[55]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >   3. mailto:[56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >   4. mailto:[57]wes.benedict at lp.org
     >   5. [58]http://facebook.com/libertarians
     >   6. [59]http://lp.org/membership
     >   7. mailto:[60]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >   8. mailto:[61]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
     >   9. mailto:[62]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >  10. mailto:[63]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  11. mailto:[64]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >  12. mailto:[65]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  13. mailto:[66]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  14. mailto:[67]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >  15. mailto:[68]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  16. mailto:[69]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
     >  17. mailto:[70]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >  18. mailto:[71]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  19. mailto:[72]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >  20. mailto:[73]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  21. mailto:[74]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  22. mailto:[75]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >  23. mailto:[76]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  24. [77]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >  25. [78]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >  26. [79]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >  27. mailto:[80]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  28. mailto:[81]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  29. mailto:[82]wes.benedict at lp.org
     >  30. [83]http://facebook.com/libertarians
     >  31. [84]http://lp.org/membership
     >  32. mailto:[85]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  33. mailto:[86]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
     >  34. mailto:[87]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >  35. mailto:[88]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  36. mailto:[89]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >  37. mailto:[90]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  38. mailto:[91]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  39. mailto:[92]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >  40. mailto:[93]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  41. mailto:[94]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
     >  42. mailto:[95]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
     >  43. mailto:[96]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  44. mailto:[97]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >  45. mailto:[98]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  46. mailto:[99]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  47. mailto:[100]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >  48. mailto:[101]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >  49. mailto:[102]Harlos at LP.org
     >  50. mailto:[103]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     >  51. mailto:[104]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >  52. mailto:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >  53. [106]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >  54. mailto:[107]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >  55. [108]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >  56. mailto:[109]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >  57. [110]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     >  58. mailto:[111]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >  59. [112]http://www.lpcolorado.org/

   --
   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
   - [113]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
   Communications Director, [114]Libertarian Party of Colorado
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

References

   1. mailto:starchild at lp.org
   2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
   3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   6. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
   7. http://facebook.com/libertarians
   8. http://lp.org/membership
   9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  10. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
  11. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
  12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  13. http://earthlink.net/
  14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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  16. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
  17. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  18. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
  19. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
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  21. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
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  32. http://facebook.com/libertarians
  33. http://lp.org/membership
  34. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  35. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
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  96. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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  99. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
 100. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
 101. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
 102. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
 103. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
 104. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
 105. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
 106. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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 108. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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 110. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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 112. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
 113. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
 114. http://www.lpcolorado.org/


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