[Lnc-business] Request for Co-Sponsors to Amend Policy Manual to Allow Zoom for E-Meetings
Daniel Hayes
daniel.hayes at lp.org
Thu May 24 07:07:49 EDT 2018
Dear Mr Katz,,
Stop telling the lady with the pink hair she’s being overly dramatic. That’s not part of her personality.
Daniel Hayes
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 23, 2018, at 10:05 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> ===Well, I think that's overly dramatic.===
> I got over a dozen people on the Platform Committee that would disagree
> with you. Both Yahoo groups and Adobe Connect need to die in a fire.
> === It's not perfect, and I'm perfectly open to the idea that Zoom is
> better. I just don't think it's that bad, although it has plenty of
> glitches.===
> It's awful. I would have been miraculous 5 years ago. It has remained
> there.
> ===Would our contract with Zoom allow us to share those host
> credentials as described? I know we physically can do it, but would it
> be allowed? ===
> There is no contract - and I never saw anything precluding it. Worst
> case, we add a host on the fly. No lock-ins.
> ==I understand that the calling in better with Zoom, but is there an
> additional cost when people call in, the way there is with Adobe?==
> No.
> ==I would prefer more than just up or down, but I agree that's
> liveable. Is there a text chat feature people can use to say they have
> a privileged motion?==
> Yes and awesome screen sharing.
> ==If we required that we always meet at a Holiday Inn, I wouldn't have
> had my anniversary day expire while staying at Hyatts, etc., but I
> agree that's not a sufficient reason to have that rule. I'm not sure
> it's exactly analogous, though. ===
> It's not analogous because its moved passed that. But imagine that
> hotels were a new emerging thing and most of them were terrible or had
> security dangers. It would make sense to say Holiday Inn is vetted, we
> will only use them. But then time passes and better hotels pop up.
> That is where we are at now.
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Joshua Katz
> <[1]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I think that's overly dramatic. It's not perfect, and I'm
> perfectly open to the idea that Zoom is better. I just don't think
> it's that bad, although it has plenty of glitches.
> Would our contract with Zoom allow us to share those host credentials
> as described? I know we physically can do it, but would it be
> allowed?
> I understand that the calling in better with Zoom, but is there an
> additional cost when people call in, the way there is with Adobe?
> I would prefer more than just up or down, but I agree that's liveable.
> Is there a text chat feature people can use to say they have a
> privileged motion?
> If we required that we always meet at a Holiday Inn, I wouldn't have
> had my anniversary day expire while staying at Hyatts, etc., but I
> agree that's not a sufficient reason to have that rule. I'm not sure
> it's exactly analogous, though.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> === Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe
> since,
> unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option.
> ====
> Temporarily as a fail-safe.
> === I don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll
> still be
> paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons
> this
> motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least
> being
> that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good argument
> for
> this motion.)===
> Temporarily. And Adobe allows only one person to admin the meetings.
> That is completely nonfeasible if this is to be an option for
> committees.
> ===On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package.
> How
> many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word?
> Buying?====
> You only need one. The master account. Wes could then give those
> credentials to whoever needed them. And IF we ever needed more you can
> drop and add at any time.
> ==You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses
> we have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for privileged
> motions, etc.?===
> It has hand up and hand down. That can be used for everything.
> [3]https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee
> -Controls-in-a-Meeting
> ===I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options
> for several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on to
> something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process similar
> to the one we used last time.===
> Adobe is a living hell to use. While not for the LNC I have done this
> process for many years, and hands down, zoom is it. Close second is Go
> To Meeting. If the LPCO had to live on Adobe we would disband it is
> that awful.
> Ideally I want the policy manual to be option to many hosting options.
> I mean how silly would it be if it said we could ONLY meet at Holiday
> Inn? And only if a certain person was there? The PM should just be a
> list of requirements.
> But we need to have the freedom now to actually do things, and the
> Platform Committee will be having about 4 or so more e-meetings and we
> will all commit ritual suicide if we have to deal with that level of
> Dante's Inferno called Adobe Connect.
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Joshua Katz via Lnc-business
> <[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe
> since,
> unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option.
> I
> don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll still
> be
> paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons
> this
> motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least
> being
> that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good
> argument for
> this motion.)
> On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package.
> How
> many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word?
> Buying?
> You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses
> we
> have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for
> privileged
> motions, etc.?
> I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options for
> several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on
> to
> something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process
> similar to
> the one we used last time.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I'll do a quick argument for Zoom: It's cheap and easy.
> Against Abode: It's costly and difficult.
> Here's the Zoom pricing for comparison:
> [2][6]https://zoom.us/pricing
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> On 2018-05-23 09:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> I have enough co-sponsors and limited time. It will pass or
> fail -
> I'll save the arguments for go-time. I mentioned this a few
> months ago
> and waited.
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Daniel Hayes
> <[1][3][7]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
> wrote:
> It’s email you silly goose. The rules of debate don’t apply.
> You
> need
> to lay it out first cause you can’t amend an email motion.
> Daniel
> Sent from my iPhone
> On May 23, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2][4][8]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> I’ll wait to argue for it when the ballot is started.
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:53 AM Daniel Hayes via
> Lnc-business
> <[3][5][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> What’s the cost on the Zoom service? We had a committee
> that
> evaluated different video conferencing platforms for
> months in
> late
> 2014. Then I think we took the whole LNC on Adobe before
> we
> pulled
> the trigger.
> I’m not opposed to another platform because over 3 years
> is
> forever
> in the technology arena but why Zoom? What else is out
> there
> now?
> At THIS moment I am a “NO” on this because we have almost
> NO
> data on
> this, unless I missed an email thread.
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On May 23, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Dustin Nanna via
> Lnc-business
>
> <[4][6][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Did you get enough cosponsors? If not I cosponsor as well
>> Dustin Nanna
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>> (740) 816-9805
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> - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
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> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[7][11]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[8][12]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[9][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[10][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 6. [12][15]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 7. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 8. [14][16]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> References
> 1. mailto:[17]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. [18]https://zoom.us/pricing
> 3. mailto:[19]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[20]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:[22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:[23]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 8. mailto:[24]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 9. mailto:[25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 10. mailto:[26]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. mailto:[27]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 12. [28]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 13. mailto:[29]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 14. [30]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
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> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [31]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [32]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [33]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [34]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3. https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee-Controls-in-a-Meeting
> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. https://zoom.us/pricing
> 7. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 8. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 11. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 12. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
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> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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> 18. https://zoom.us/pricing
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> 21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 23. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 24. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
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> 28. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 29. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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