[Lnc-business] Request for Co-Sponsors to Amend Policy Manual to Allow Zoom for E-Meetings
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu May 24 09:13:26 EDT 2018
I’m the epitome of subtlety
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 5:07 AM Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org> wrote:
> Dear Mr Katz,,
>
> Stop telling the lady with the pink hair she’s being overly dramatic.
> That’s not part of her personality.
>
> Daniel Hayes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 23, 2018, at 10:05 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > ===Well, I think that's overly dramatic.===
> > I got over a dozen people on the Platform Committee that would disagree
> > with you. Both Yahoo groups and Adobe Connect need to die in a fire.
> > === It's not perfect, and I'm perfectly open to the idea that Zoom is
> > better. I just don't think it's that bad, although it has plenty of
> > glitches.===
> > It's awful. I would have been miraculous 5 years ago. It has remained
> > there.
> > ===Would our contract with Zoom allow us to share those host
> > credentials as described? I know we physically can do it, but would it
> > be allowed? ===
> > There is no contract - and I never saw anything precluding it. Worst
> > case, we add a host on the fly. No lock-ins.
> > ==I understand that the calling in better with Zoom, but is there an
> > additional cost when people call in, the way there is with Adobe?==
> > No.
> > ==I would prefer more than just up or down, but I agree that's
> > liveable. Is there a text chat feature people can use to say they have
> > a privileged motion?==
> > Yes and awesome screen sharing.
> > ==If we required that we always meet at a Holiday Inn, I wouldn't have
> > had my anniversary day expire while staying at Hyatts, etc., but I
> > agree that's not a sufficient reason to have that rule. I'm not sure
> > it's exactly analogous, though. ===
> > It's not analogous because its moved passed that. But imagine that
> > hotels were a new emerging thing and most of them were terrible or had
> > security dangers. It would make sense to say Holiday Inn is vetted, we
> > will only use them. But then time passes and better hotels pop up.
> > That is where we are at now.
> >
> > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Joshua Katz
> > <[1]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I think that's overly dramatic. It's not perfect, and I'm
> > perfectly open to the idea that Zoom is better. I just don't think
> > it's that bad, although it has plenty of glitches.
> > Would our contract with Zoom allow us to share those host credentials
> > as described? I know we physically can do it, but would it be
> > allowed?
> > I understand that the calling in better with Zoom, but is there an
> > additional cost when people call in, the way there is with Adobe?
> > I would prefer more than just up or down, but I agree that's liveable.
> > Is there a text chat feature people can use to say they have a
> > privileged motion?
> > If we required that we always meet at a Holiday Inn, I wouldn't have
> > had my anniversary day expire while staying at Hyatts, etc., but I
> > agree that's not a sufficient reason to have that rule. I'm not sure
> > it's exactly analogous, though.
> >
> > Joshua A. Katz
> > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > === Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe
> > since,
> > unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option.
> > ====
> > Temporarily as a fail-safe.
> > === I don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll
> > still be
> > paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons
> > this
> > motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least
> > being
> > that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good argument
> > for
> > this motion.)===
> > Temporarily. And Adobe allows only one person to admin the meetings.
> > That is completely nonfeasible if this is to be an option for
> > committees.
> > ===On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package.
> > How
> > many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word?
> > Buying?====
> > You only need one. The master account. Wes could then give those
> > credentials to whoever needed them. And IF we ever needed more you can
> > drop and add at any time.
> > ==You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses
> > we have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for privileged
> > motions, etc.?===
> > It has hand up and hand down. That can be used for everything.
> > [3]https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee
> > -Controls-in-a-Meeting
> > ===I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options
> > for several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on to
> > something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process similar
> > to the one we used last time.===
> > Adobe is a living hell to use. While not for the LNC I have done this
> > process for many years, and hands down, zoom is it. Close second is Go
> > To Meeting. If the LPCO had to live on Adobe we would disband it is
> > that awful.
> > Ideally I want the policy manual to be option to many hosting options.
> > I mean how silly would it be if it said we could ONLY meet at Holiday
> > Inn? And only if a certain person was there? The PM should just be a
> > list of requirements.
> > But we need to have the freedom now to actually do things, and the
> > Platform Committee will be having about 4 or so more e-meetings and we
> > will all commit ritual suicide if we have to deal with that level of
> > Dante's Inferno called Adobe Connect.
> >
> > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Joshua Katz via Lnc-business
> > <[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe
> > since,
> > unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option.
> > I
> > don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll still
> > be
> > paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons
> > this
> > motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least
> > being
> > that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good
> > argument for
> > this motion.)
> > On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package.
> > How
> > many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word?
> > Buying?
> > You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses
> > we
> > have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for
> > privileged
> > motions, etc.?
> > I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options for
> > several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on
> > to
> > something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process
> > similar to
> > the one we used last time.
> > Joshua A. Katz
> > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
> > Lnc-business
> > <[1][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > I'll do a quick argument for Zoom: It's cheap and easy.
> > Against Abode: It's costly and difficult.
> > Here's the Zoom pricing for comparison:
> > [2][6]https://zoom.us/pricing
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > On 2018-05-23 09:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > I have enough co-sponsors and limited time. It will pass or
> > fail -
> > I'll save the arguments for go-time. I mentioned this a few
> > months ago
> > and waited.
> > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Daniel Hayes
> > <[1][3][7]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> > It’s email you silly goose. The rules of debate don’t apply.
> > You
> > need
> > to lay it out first cause you can’t amend an email motion.
> > Daniel
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On May 23, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[2][4][8]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > I’ll wait to argue for it when the ballot is started.
> > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:53 AM Daniel Hayes via
> > Lnc-business
> > <[3][5][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > What’s the cost on the Zoom service? We had a committee
> > that
> > evaluated different video conferencing platforms for
> > months in
> > late
> > 2014. Then I think we took the whole LNC on Adobe before
> > we
> > pulled
> > the trigger.
> > I’m not opposed to another platform because over 3 years
> > is
> > forever
> > in the technology arena but why Zoom? What else is out
> > there
> > now?
> > At THIS moment I am a “NO” on this because we have almost
> > NO
> > data on
> > this, unless I missed an email thread.
> > Daniel Hayes
> > LNC At Large Member
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> On May 23, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Dustin Nanna via
> > Lnc-business
> >
> > <[4][6][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Did you get enough cosponsors? If not I cosponsor as well
> >> Dustin Nanna
> >> LNC Region 3 Alternate
> >> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
> >> Libertarian Party of Ohio
> >> (740) 816-9805
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> > - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[7][11]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:[8][12]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:[9][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 4. mailto:[10][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 5. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 6. [12][15]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 7. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 8. [14][16]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[17]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. [18]https://zoom.us/pricing
> > 3. mailto:[19]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 4. mailto:[20]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 5. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 6. mailto:[22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 7. mailto:[23]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 8. mailto:[24]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 9. mailto:[25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 10. mailto:[26]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 11. mailto:[27]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 12. [28]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 13. mailto:[29]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 14. [30]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> > - [31]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [32]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> > - [33]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [34]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> > 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 3.
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee-Controls-in-a-Meeting
> > 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 6. https://zoom.us/pricing
> > 7. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 8. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 11. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 12. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 17. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 18. https://zoom.us/pricing
> > 19. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 20. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 22. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 23. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 24. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 26. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 27. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 28. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 29. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 30. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 31. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 32. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 33. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> --
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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I’m the epitome of subtlety
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 5:07 AM Daniel Hayes <[1]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
wrote:
Dear Mr Katz,,
Stop telling the lady with the pink hair she’s being overly
dramatic. That’s not part of her personality.
Daniel Hayes
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 23, 2018, at 10:05 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> ===Well, I think that's overly dramatic.===
> I got over a dozen people on the Platform Committee that would
disagree
> with you. Both Yahoo groups and Adobe Connect need to die in a
fire.
> === It's not perfect, and I'm perfectly open to the idea that
Zoom is
> better. I just don't think it's that bad, although it has
plenty of
> glitches.===
> It's awful. I would have been miraculous 5 years ago. It has
remained
> there.
> ===Would our contract with Zoom allow us to share those host
> credentials as described? I know we physically can do it, but
would it
> be allowed? ===
> There is no contract - and I never saw anything precluding it.
Worst
> case, we add a host on the fly. No lock-ins.
> ==I understand that the calling in better with Zoom, but is
there an
> additional cost when people call in, the way there is with
Adobe?==
> No.
> ==I would prefer more than just up or down, but I agree that's
> liveable. Is there a text chat feature people can use to say
they have
> a privileged motion?==
> Yes and awesome screen sharing.
> ==If we required that we always meet at a Holiday Inn, I
wouldn't have
> had my anniversary day expire while staying at Hyatts, etc., but
I
> agree that's not a sufficient reason to have that rule. I'm not
sure
> it's exactly analogous, though. ===
> It's not analogous because its moved passed that. But imagine
that
> hotels were a new emerging thing and most of them were terrible
or had
> security dangers. It would make sense to say Holiday Inn is
vetted, we
> will only use them. But then time passes and better hotels pop
up.
> That is where we are at now.
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Joshua Katz
> <[1][3]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I think that's overly dramatic. It's not perfect, and I'm
> perfectly open to the idea that Zoom is better. I just don't
think
> it's that bad, although it has plenty of glitches.
> Would our contract with Zoom allow us to share those host
credentials
> as described? I know we physically can do it, but would it be
> allowed?
> I understand that the calling in better with Zoom, but is there
an
> additional cost when people call in, the way there is with
Adobe?
> I would prefer more than just up or down, but I agree that's
liveable.
> Is there a text chat feature people can use to say they have a
> privileged motion?
> If we required that we always meet at a Holiday Inn, I wouldn't
have
> had my anniversary day expire while staying at Hyatts, etc., but
I
> agree that's not a sufficient reason to have that rule. I'm not
sure
> it's exactly analogous, though.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> === Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of
Adobe
> since,
> unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe
option.
> ====
> Temporarily as a fail-safe.
> === I don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when
we'll
> still be
> paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of
reasons
> this
> motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not
least
> being
> that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good
argument
> for
> this motion.)===
> Temporarily. And Adobe allows only one person to admin the
meetings.
> That is completely nonfeasible if this is to be an option for
> committees.
> ===On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro
package.
> How
> many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word?
> Buying?====
> You only need one. The master account. Wes could then give
those
> credentials to whoever needed them. And IF we ever needed more
you can
> drop and add at any time.
> ==You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple
statuses
> we have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for
privileged
> motions, etc.?===
> It has hand up and hand down. That can be used for everything.
>
[3][5]https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee
> -Controls-in-a-Meeting
> ===I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options
> for several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move
on to
> something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process
similar
> to the one we used last time.===
> Adobe is a living hell to use. While not for the LNC I have
done this
> process for many years, and hands down, zoom is it. Close
second is Go
> To Meeting. If the LPCO had to live on Adobe we would disband
it is
> that awful.
> Ideally I want the policy manual to be option to many hosting
options.
> I mean how silly would it be if it said we could ONLY meet at
Holiday
> Inn? And only if a certain person was there? The PM should
just be a
> list of requirements.
> But we need to have the freedom now to actually do things, and
the
> Platform Committee will be having about 4 or so more e-meetings
and we
> will all commit ritual suicide if we have to deal with that
level of
> Dante's Inferno called Adobe Connect.
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Joshua Katz via Lnc-business
> <[4][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of
Adobe
> since,
> unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe
option.
> I
> don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll
still
> be
> paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of
reasons
> this
> motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not
least
> being
> that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good
> argument for
> this motion.)
> On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro
package.
> How
> many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word?
> Buying?
> You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple
statuses
> we
> have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for
> privileged
> motions, etc.?
> I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various
options for
> several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to
move on
> to
> something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process
> similar to
> the one we used last time.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][5][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I'll do a quick argument for Zoom: It's cheap and easy.
> Against Abode: It's costly and difficult.
> Here's the Zoom pricing for comparison:
> [2][6][8]https://zoom.us/pricing
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> On 2018-05-23 09:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
> I have enough co-sponsors and limited time. It will pass
or
> fail -
> I'll save the arguments for go-time. I mentioned this
a few
> months ago
> and waited.
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Daniel Hayes
> <[1][3][7][9]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
> wrote:
> It’s email you silly goose. The rules of debate don’t
apply.
> You
> need
> to lay it out first cause you can’t amend an email
motion.
> Daniel
> Sent from my iPhone
> On May 23, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2][4][8][10]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> I’ll wait to argue for it when the ballot is started.
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:53 AM Daniel Hayes via
> Lnc-business
> <[3][5][9][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> What’s the cost on the Zoom service? We had a
committee
> that
> evaluated different video conferencing platforms for
> months in
> late
> 2014. Then I think we took the whole LNC on Adobe
before
> we
> pulled
> the trigger.
> I’m not opposed to another platform because over 3
years
> is
> forever
> in the technology arena but why Zoom? What else is
out
> there
> now?
> At THIS moment I am a “NO” on this because we have
almost
> NO
> data on
> this, unless I missed an email thread.
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On May 23, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Dustin Nanna via
> Lnc-business
>
> <[4][6][10][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Did you get enough cosponsors? If not I cosponsor as well
>> Dustin Nanna
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate
>> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>> Libertarian Party of Ohio
>> (740) 816-9805
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of
Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of
Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[7][11][13]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[8][12][14]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[9][13][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[10][14][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 6. [12][15][17]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 7. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 8. [14][16][18]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> References
> 1. mailto:[17][19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. [18][20]https://zoom.us/pricing
> 3. mailto:[19][21]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[20][22]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[21][23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:[22][24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:[23][25]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 8. mailto:[24][26]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 9. mailto:[25][27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 10. mailto:[26][28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. mailto:[27]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 12. [28][29]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 13. mailto:[29]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 14. [30][30]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
> - [31]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [32]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
> - [33]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [34]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[31]planning4liberty at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:[32]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3.
[33]https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee-Con
trols-in-a-Meeting
> 4. mailto:[34]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:[35]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. [36]https://zoom.us/pricing
> 7. mailto:[37]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 8. mailto:[38]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 9. mailto:[39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 10. mailto:[40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. mailto:[41]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 12. mailto:[42]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 13. mailto:[43]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. mailto:[44]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 15. [45]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 16. [46]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 17. mailto:[47]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 18. [48]https://zoom.us/pricing
> 19. mailto:[49]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 20. mailto:[50]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 21. mailto:[51]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 22. mailto:[52]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 23. mailto:[53]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 24. mailto:[54]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 25. mailto:[55]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 26. mailto:[56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 27. mailto:[57]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 28. [58]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 29. mailto:[59]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 30. [60]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 31. mailto:[61]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 32. [62]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 33. mailto:[63]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 34. [64]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [65]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [66]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
8. https://zoom.us/pricing
9. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
10. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
14. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
18. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
19. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
20. https://zoom.us/pricing
21. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
22. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
23. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
24. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
25. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
26. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
27. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
28. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
29. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
30. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
31. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
32. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
33. https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee-Controls-in-a-Meeting
34. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
35. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
36. https://zoom.us/pricing
37. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
38. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
39. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
41. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
42. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
43. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
44. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
45. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
46. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
47. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
48. https://zoom.us/pricing
49. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
50. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
51. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
52. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
53. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
54. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
55. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
56. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
57. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
58. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
59. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
60. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
61. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
62. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
63. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
64. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
65. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
66. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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