[Lnc-business] Judicial committee
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 20:12:58 EDT 2018
It needs a much larger and more diverse committee that doesn't have the
LNC's thumb on it like every other committee. Many many many qualified
people offered, including former LNC people who have been to this rodeo.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Good questions. My answers would be that the only way this works is if
> everyone feels like they have a seat at the table. Timing wise, this gives
> them time to collect ideas and feedback while giving us time to address it
> if they can't come up with a consensus recommendation.
>
> It's also more than just technology - it's also whether we do plurality or
> IRV or approval, it's whether we do combined ballots or all separate, it's
> whether we need three days or four or five. There's off-the-shelf
> electronic voting things we can rent - I've done elections with them before
> - but I think our Party members would without buy-in reject them as
> centralized and potentially not secure. The solution may just be some new
> bylaws changes and more tellers and computers, and no new technology. I'm
> not sure.
>
>
> JBH
>
>
>
> On 2018-07-05 19:56, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>> Why start a new committee? Shouldn't this fall under the purview of IT?
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: [2]joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
>> Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:32 PM
>> To: [3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>> Cc: [4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;
>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
>> I've been thinking about this since the night of the At-Large/JC
>> election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had perhaps 100
>> delegates who were going to support me already leave by the time we got
>> to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long balloting and
>> tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting from Party
>> members.
>>
>> That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did perhaps the
>> least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that anything we do
>> that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or keeping the
>> dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all Party members
>> or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from the rules we should
>> be following and destined to be viewed as illegitimate and post-hoc.
>>
>> I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you do. Taking
>> Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three birds with
>> one stone:
>>
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018 voted that
>> the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available At-Large
>> seats on the LNC; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial Committee members
>> be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large members of the
>> National Committee; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7 would clear
>> all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
>>
>> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath, and Alicia
>> Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a two-year term;
>> and
>>
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the election of D.
>> Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale,
>> Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee for a
>> four-year term; and
>>
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be established to
>> present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September 1, 2019 for
>> improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation process of
>> LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
>> (1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
>> (2) the Party Secretary
>> (3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
>> (4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from among the
>> various caucuses in the Party.
>>
>>
>> JBH
>>
>>
>> On [5]2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>>> Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure for
>>> populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to appoint the
>>> top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose we can be
>>> anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit applications
>>> from
>>> people who were not nominated at convention.
>>>
>>> I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to verify they
>>> have been members for four years.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [6]317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. tel:217-412-5973
>> 2. http://joe.bi/
>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 5. tel:2018-07-05 18
>> 6. tel:317-850-0726
>>
>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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It needs a much larger and more diverse committee that doesn't have the
LNC's thumb on it like every other committee. Many many many qualified
people offered, including former LNC people who have been to this
rodeo.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good questions. My answers would be that the only way this works is
if everyone feels like they have a seat at the table. Timing wise,
this gives them time to collect ideas and feedback while giving us
time to address it if they can't come up with a consensus
recommendation.
It's also more than just technology - it's also whether we do
plurality or IRV or approval, it's whether we do combined ballots or
all separate, it's whether we need three days or four or five.
There's off-the-shelf electronic voting things we can rent - I've
done elections with them before - but I think our Party members
would without buy-in reject them as centralized and potentially not
secure. The solution may just be some new bylaws changes and more
tellers and computers, and no new technology. I'm not sure.
JBH
On 2018-07-05 19:56, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Why start a new committee? Shouldn't this fall under the purview of
IT?
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: [2]joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:32 PM
To: [3][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: [4][3]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
I've been thinking about this since the night of the At-Large/JC
election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had perhaps 100
delegates who were going to support me already leave by the time we
got
to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long balloting and
tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting from
Party
members.
That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did perhaps
the
least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that anything we
do
that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or keeping
the
dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all Party
members
or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from the rules we
should
be following and destined to be viewed as illegitimate and post-hoc.
I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you do.
Taking
Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three birds
with
one stone:
WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018 voted
that
the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available
At-Large
seats on the LNC; and
WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial Committee
members
be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large members of
the
National Committee; and
WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7 would
clear
all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath, and
Alicia
Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a two-year
term;
and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the election of D.
Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff
Neale,
Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee for a
four-year term; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be established to
present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September 1, 2019
for
improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation process
of
LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
(1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
(2) the Party Secretary
(3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
(4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from among the
various caucuses in the Party.
JBH
On [5]2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure for
populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to appoint
the
top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose we can
be
anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit
applications
from
people who were not nominated at convention.
I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to verify
they
have been members for four years.
--
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
[6]317-850-0726 Cell
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. [4]http://joe.bi/
3. mailto:[5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[6]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
5. tel:2018-07-05 18
6. tel:317-850-0726
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
4. http://joe.bi/
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
8. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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